marangoni tyres

[Bob_S]

has anyone had any experience of these? they look like a decent tyre?

cheers

[hoshy]

I'm running marangoni 195/65s in the back atm - they're a little bit tougher than the softies like proxes so last that bit better and grip seems acceptable wet and dry - sometimes surprisingly good but then I fitted the new rear arb at the same time so that might be part of it.

Either way - I wouldn't run away from them. Especially if the price is right. For the money I paid (~70 per tyre I think) there's probably better. What sort of money are you looking at for them?

[M3Macao]

Just a thought mate..have you looked at Runway Enduros 516? They are a very good tyre with directional tread and well priced. Ive just put two on the back of my touring..205/55/15 fitted balanced etc for £70. That was from Save on Tyres Auto Centre.

Ive got marigolds on the front but ill be swapping to the enduros when they need changing.

[Bob_S]

it's £42 a corner for 205/50's so not too bad

[DanThe]

Gareth has these on his M30 touring

[hoshy]

Can't go wrong with them at that price, Bob. I'd give 'em a go.

[gareth]

i do indeed and i rate them highly. i find them better than proxes and will definately buy them again.

[Bob_S]

goof stuff then defo worth a try for the ring

[Simon13]

goof stuff then defo worth a try for the ring

defo not worth a try! Why them when a proxie is under £50 also in that size?! proven tyre also. You won't have fun round their bobski with sh!te tyres screaming away through each bend!

[hoshy]

didn't realise it was for the ring. agree with si. proxes probably a better choice.

[gareth]

lets all slate a tyre that we've not tried shall we?!!!!

marangoni zeta-linea are the exact ones i've used and they're ace. more grip than a proxes wet or dry. granted, i've not had them to a track level of 'hot' (apart from in a straight line ) so i can't vouch for how they behave under sustained abuse but does this mean they're not worth trying? they're cheaper than proxes in the size i bought and certainly on a par with them at the very least

i'm off to start a group buy on blinkers....

[tomtomiS]

i would lke to bet that the tread will be seperating from the casing by the time ur done,

[Simon13]

So really Gareth you haven't tried them out in the application that bob s would like to use them for?

In that case the toyo gets the nod

£42 for these unknowns or £47 for the proven toyo in the same size it's a no brainer

[tomtomiS]

So really Gareth you haven't tried them out in the application that bob s would like to use them for?

In that case the toyo gets the nod

£42 for these unknowns or £47 for the proven toyo in the same size it's a no brainer

the toyo proxes really are untouchable in this price bracket, extremely good value for money. i've used them before and been very pleased. budget tyres however will cost more cos you will have to replace them sooner

[Bob_S]

I get a suspicion these might be a new toyo in a few years they may get recognised for good performance and low cost.. I'm always worried about straying away from the known tbh I have t1-s's on the front but my mitchelins are now more like F1 slicks.. why dont they last long?

I might just stick to what I know for this trip like you say si I wouldnt want to ruin the trip for me because of a gamble.. maybe when the toyo's wear out

[hoshy]

Gareth - I'm running Marangonis on the rear and Proxes on the front, as we speak. I've used proxes on track too.

Sure the Proxes don't last very long at all everybody knows it but they a good grippy tyres and do hold up reasonably well around a track. If you look at the treadwear numbers between the two tyres there's not a bit difference - 280 to 300ish IIRC.

Marangonis are also good tyres but slightly less grippy and not a great deal longer lasting for general road use - I'd imagine this is also true under track conditions thus my basic opinion was to agree with si.

I didn't mean to sound like they *wouldn't* be any good just that if it was me I'd probably stick with the proxes in this case and if I want something longer lasting for the road, I would consider the marangonis especially at that price.

If it's feasable bob can you get some 14s with a set of part worn semi-slicks (road legal) - this is like night and day between normal road tyres - I'll place 100quid right now that you wouldn't be disappointed If I'd known it was for a ring trip I'd have suggested this above any other option. You can usually pickup some part worns for cheaper than a new set of road tyres. Last lot I got was 90odd quid delivered.

[gareth]

So really Gareth you haven't tried them out in the application that bob s would like to use them for?

congratulations, that's exactly what i said

maybe for a long old trip to the ring, it may be worth sticking to a known tyre but if nobody ever tried the proxes then it too would be unknown!
the car they're used on will make a difference too, the marangonis definately squirm a lot less, giving ME better feel/grip and with the well documented extra weight of a M30 (especially on my lardy touring) they do suit it better than proxes. on MY car in every situation i've tried them on, they outperform the proxes.

[Jeepster]

If it's feasable bob can you get some 14s with a set of part worn semi-slicks (road legal) - this is like night and day between normal road tyres - I'll place 100quid right now that you wouldn't be disappointed If I'd known it was for a ring trip I'd have suggested this above any other option. You can usually pickup some part worns for cheaper than a new set of road tyres. Last lot I got was 90odd quid delivered.

I think that is the best option, the level of grip on semi-slicks will be far better than the Proxes or any other road tyre.

Couple of things though, the semi-slicks should be used in conjunction with much firmer suspension (I have no idea what your running) to get the most out of them, they will also cause more wear on bushes and stuff so a good check over everything is worth while. And anyone whose been to the ring will know about how strange the weather is there, I have seen snow at the end of May, having just been through blazing sun shine, so if the weather isn't up to much, your not going to have too much fun on the semi slicks.

[Simon13]

goof stuff then defo worth a try for the ring

missed this bit then gareth?! after your first post.

I've never heard of the said tyres and that means 99/100 if they aren't from a well branded company they are usually w**k. end of really

[gareth]

goof stuff then defo worth a try for the ring

missed this bit then gareth?! after your first post.

I've never heard of the said tyres and that means 99/100 if they aren't from a well branded company they are usually w**k. end of really

granted, i've not had them to a track level of 'hot'

nope, didn't miss it as i said above...

this is the tyre in question:
http://www.marangonityre.co.uk/Zeta_Lin ... Level2ID=2

they are well known, just not sold over here much. they're based in germany, italy and spain afaik.

[d6dph]

From what I have seen, Maragoni's seem to get a good review.

Personally I'd stick with a known brand especially in a situation where you need a decent tyre.

[Chris-W]

And the lord knows that young Bob needs a decent tyre....

[d6dph]

Ouch!

[keri-WMS]

I've have various Pirellis and they all sucked, Goodyear Eagles and if anything they were worse. What matters is performance, not pub bragging rights.

4th best tyres I've used: Yokohama A539


3rd best tires I've used: Nankang ??? (looked like this, sooooo sticky!)


2nd best tires I've used: Velocity Xtreme


Best tyre I've used to date: Marangoni Zeta-Linea


I hate tires that squirm due to too many cuts, chunky tyres are far better in the dry but lose out slighty in the "slime", but the shape of the block on the Marangonis is curved making it stiffer. All of these tyres do VERY well in proper rain as they can clear water fast with their big cuts, but less so on slimy roads compared to "winter tyres" (yuk).

[Simon13]

hmmm lets look at the toyo tyre tread and see how it compares to the monkeygoni tyre



the verticle lines are for improved water grip. The OLD toyo proxie had a tread pattern like this wonder tyre

Goodyear F1's rubbish?! thats the biggest load of b0llocks i've read all year. Strange how evo mag did a tyre test and only 1 of your top 4 where even tested. The yoko which was in the bottom 3 out of 10

[Jhonno]

4 tyres.. none of which i'd even piss on if they were on fire..

if a budget tyre was worthy of note, it would have been brought to mention by now, unless its just come out or something

[jimthejunior]

Wow, if simon hasn't heard of them they must be shit. Simon do you test tyres or something? Heard nothing but good stuff about marangoni's, and thats from people who use them for serious track use and just normal driving. I also know a lad who's sponsored by them, he says there shit hot, but i guess he would say that even if they wern't. Im so glad i don't pay for my tyres anymore.

[Simon13]

so you've tested F1's, toyo's, falken, michelin tyres round the ring in your own car?

I have a mate who sells his arse for living and is sponsored by vaseline, wow

[d6dph]

Lets not forget that tyre choice is also quite subjective.

What may work for Simon may not work for Bob.

[Jeepster]

Indeed, it is, I cannot get on with P-Zeros, they just don't suit me at all. I love F1's and for the road only ever use those or PS2's, the later being my current favourite because they seem a bit quieter than the F1's.

Incidentally They don't make the GS-D3's any more, the tyre test in Evo used the new asymetric F1's. Not tried them myself, but they are meant to be much better than the old, which imho is quite a tall order, but I will try them at some point.

[gareth]

how very diplomatic of you dave! you should be a mod!

as with all debates that simon-the-all-knowing gets involved in, i must now bow to his vast knowledge of how to make an E30 handle properly (like running a touring on saloon springs) and face the fact that i must know nothing!

tell you what, i'll carry on with what i've found to be best and if anyone wants to waste their money on something inferior, so be it! the marangoni's ARE a good tyre, so who's going to have a crack at taking them to the ring?

[Jon_Bmw]

I have never heard of these tyres let alone tested them, so I shaln't comment, but did they not want to sell any of them or something...why the fuck did they call them that?

Sounds like cheap shite tbh, whether it is or not is another matter, but talking about shooting yourself(company) in the foot.

Gareth I am shocked that a nankangditchfinder is on your list They actually any good?

[d6dph]

I had toyos on my last car and loved them. Road noise was quite high but they made up for it in the dependable grip levels.

I had Khumos on the turd for the last 18 months or more and found them to be surprisingly good for a budget tyre.

I have just changed to Dunlop Sp900 sports and the difference between a budget tyre and these is shocking! The road noise is significantly less and they seem to grip a lot better.

how very diplomatic of you dave! you should be a mod!

Damn, Was my attempt at diffusing the situation that transparent

[fuzzy]

I have just changed to Dunlop Sp900 sports and the difference between a budget tyre and these is shocking! The road noise is significantly less and they seem to grip a lot better.

do you mean the dunlop sp9000? thats my current tyre of choice and imo it offers a far superior grip to my previous toyo t1-r in both dry but more so in the wet.

[d6dph]

Yes Fuzzy, Sorry it was a typo.

Glad to hear good things about them.