One more reason to buy Genuine Top mounts.

[Demlotcrew]

These were fitted to a customers car on their request!

The first two pics show the stock position of the top mount.





On the next two pics the car was jacked up on one side.

As you can see the actual rubber was being pulled trough the top mount and if it was'nt for the top and bottom washers the damper rod would just pop the rubber out of the mount.

These are OEM quality E46 M3 top mounts





So next time you think you're getting a deal think again!

Andrew

[Simon13]

what he means is don't go to gsf/ecp to buy these, as look at them!

[M5pilot]

Buy Rogue Engineering ones, much better.

Yes I know.....shameless plug!

[fuzzy]

i also found this as i had to replace mine 3 times in a year.not had a problem since i bought genuine ones.

[gra325i]

phew glad i just got genuine ones from the dealer,was nearly going to gsf

[Chris-W]

Blimey. Are they brand new?

[Demlotcrew]

Yup brand new never fitted!

Andrew

[Chris-W]

Just fitted??!! Shocking!

[Simon13]

why pay an extortionate price for rogue engineering, when bmw dealer E46 M3 cab top mounts do the job 100%

[Demlotcrew]

why pay an extortionate price for rogue engineering, when bmw dealer E46 M3 cab top mounts do the job 100%

Dunno Si whats the answer?



Andrew

[Bob_S]

the difference in price of gsf/ecp and dealer ones is so little it's a wonder not everyone does it!
I buy most of not all my parts from Bmw. I have experienced too mach shit from ecp.. wrong products supplied, "the car isnt on the system - 318is?, crap bushes, mounts and ball joints etc etc

[tomstickland]

I think the rogue items are pretty reasonably priced.

[Bob_S]

when BMW items are £10 each? I wouldnt of thought so!

[tomstickland]

I mean the price relative to the work that's required to make them. Regular car parts benefit from the economies of scale that customised race style parts will never have. I work in the engineering industry, so see things from the costs associated with machining etc. It costs £60 to have a single plate with a few holes in it, so I think the Rogue items are fairly priced and are obviouslly uprated over standard items.

[jonb]

why pay an extortionate price for rogue engineering, when bmw dealer E46 M3 cab top mounts do the job 100%

Dunno Si whats the answer?



Andrew

Why?....

Because sal told you to....

Is that not a good enough reason...?

[Bob_S]

yep!

[stuartgallafant]

IMO, there is no way rogue engineering top mounts are worth that much more than the BMW. i know where my money is better spent...

[M5pilot]

Without having seen them you are NOT qualified to make such statements.

The standard item is a far cry from these. You get top reinforcement plates and a much beefier mount. Load is dispersed over a larger area.

Alot of people seem to think they are worth it hence them buying these.

Evo-S

[Quaser]

Sorry guys - i cant see the difference!

Can someone please point it out for me!

[tomstickland]

I've got a set and they are clearly much reinforced over standard items. The main plate actually sits inside the wheel arch so that the load pushes up onto the shell. The rubber parts are in compression and supported at both ends unlike standard items where they are under shear loads.


As to whether they are worth it or not is a personal decision to make. I think they are.

[Quaser]

how much are they?

[dark_sounds]

stu, simon, andrew,

the rogue engineering stuff is decently priced.....

i mean heck, order from rogue direct their only 90$ (approx 45£!) and they weigh 2lbs on their site, so delivery should be no more then 10$. (10$ anything up to 4.4ilbs international standard package) so thats about 50£ now.. though the beuaty of it all is.... that before any muppet shouts TAX TAX TAX, i suggest you keep your mouth shut, as anything under the value of 50£ exc postage, is tax exempt..

thus enjoy rogue engineering top mounts,,, at 45£ plus delivery, inc the non existant tax that is scare mongered into us

thus at around 50£, i think they are worth getting!

i was thinking of doing a group buy for the greater good of the zone,,, but then im thinking hmm the tax might kick in then, all dpends on how much rogue off for a group buy i suppose, might beat the tax rate!

[jonb]

thus at around 50£, i think they are worth getting!

i was thinking of doing a group buy for the greater good of the zone,,, but then im thinking hmm the tax might kick in then, all dpends on how much rogue off for a group buy i suppose, might beat the tax rate!

No No No ali.

How could you think of doing such a thing. Everything goes through salman, Hence the plug.

You should retract the comment asap before he sends you a nasty p.m.

[dark_sounds]

im sure hes professional enough to understand basic economic principles.

"consumers like choice"

"compitition is good for effeciency" etc etc...

ill still buy bits from him! as long as the price is right, he knows that,

and tbh he does try to price match, if he cant, hell just turn down your business, so fair enough!

[c76jon]

stu, simon, andrew,

the rogue engineering stuff is decently priced.....

i mean heck, order from rogue direct their only 90$ (approx 45£!) and they weigh 2lbs on their site, so delivery should be no more then 10$. (10$ anything up to 4.4ilbs international standard package) so thats about 50£ now.. though the beuaty of it all is.... that before any muppet shouts TAX TAX TAX, i suggest you keep your mouth shut, as anything under the value of 50£ exc postage, is tax exempt..

thus enjoy rogue engineering top mounts,,, at 45£ plus delivery, inc the non existant tax that is scare mongered into us

thus at around 50£, i think they are worth getting!

i was thinking of doing a group buy for the greater good of the zone,,, but then im thinking hmm the tax might kick in then, all dpends on how much rogue off for a group buy i suppose, might beat the tax rate!

not strictly true

under 36 pounds and as long as its a gift which is at their discretion is exempt from import tax and vat

jon

[Simon13]

Sal as i have said to you before!




These top mounts pictured are e46 M3 cabby top mounts, they are about £15 each from the main dealer

These ones pictured have covered 2 trips to the nurburgring on my old sport which was dropped a good 60mm and covered over 30 laps of the circut

approx 30,000miles road use

1 drift day at silverstone - need i say anymore about what happened to the poor car at this day?

They are as strong as when they went on the car new, these will go on the Alpina when she is ready to go, they were also on my 325i auto before she bit the bullet, RIP she went down the scrap yard today

So please,please,please tell me why we need to spend all this money on this rogue engineering crap!!!

The price of a pair of rogue mounts buys 6 of these mounts pictured and does the job no better

No brainer!

[dark_sounds]

fair enough,, thats changed since i last brought from america. not a biggy though,, have many relatives there

but heck, 45£ + 17.5%.. 52.88 still good value for money imo.

[dark_sounds]

simon, i think what sal is on about is the fact that the e46 ones are still rubber,,, they will eventually wear... and the fact is they prob have more give in them,, whereas the RE ones have very little give, and give a better handling ride????

though iv never really seen e46 m3 top mounts so i cant comment.

[Simon13]

the ride will be worse with those rogue top mounts. The e46 mounts will probably last a good 100,000 miles too.

So how many on here will cover that in their E30? so they break after that period off i trot to the main dealer and buy another set knowing i'm still £30 up than if i had bought these rogue items?

All my point is the bmw ones will give a better ride, are cheaper and are good for lowered E30's, track work, drifting. Why do you need these top mounts seriously? You need to be an animal to go through 3 sets of these! before you have reached the price of these rogue top mounts!

[Andyboy]

And you want to know how you ensure that rubber top mounts never wear out? Turn the top cut washer upside down. It makes the top mounts virtually solid yet doesn't transmit any noise. I've even done this on old shitters with wanked top mounts to scrape them through the MOT...............

Nothing wrong with E46 M3 cab bits. The BMW dealer I go to have yet to replace any - what does that tell you?

[tim_s]

I've had an e46 m3 rear top mount (genuine BMW) rubber pop clean out of the housing on my IS. Was very strange, was driving into the road I used to live on, went over a speed bump quite gently to be met with lots of banging. got it replaced on the 2yr parts warranty from BM though, so don't really have any complaints. and yes, they were correctly assembled as per the etk. the shock was a newish koni on its medium setting.

[Pal318is]

I've had an e46 m3 rear top mount (genuine BMW) rubber pop clean out of the housing on my IS. Was very strange, was driving into the road I used to live on, went over a speed bump quite gently to be met with lots of banging. got it replaced on the 2yr parts warranty from BM though, so don't really have any complaints. and yes, they were correctly assembled as per the etk. the shock was a newish koni on its medium setting.

This happened to me too, 2 days after the things were put in I was shocked to say the least...I was unlucky that it happened in the sticks, but equally lucky that it actually happened next to a garage My shock was saved

Touch wood, they've been ok since then

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for, it's just lucky the e46 one's are so cheap from the stealers...the RE must be good, the same as the IE one's...surely..



Pal

[stuartgallafant]

do rogue engineering top mounts come with a 2 year warranty? i doubt it

i dont know why everyone is making such a fuss either. the top mounts are literally only there to absorb the shock and impacts that the dampers places on the shell, and i find they have extremely limited characteristics towards handling and geometry. for instance, there is no adjustment for the top mount on a KDS...

that is why i feel, personally, spending all that money on the RE ones is a waste. the E46 cab ones suit perfectly for the job, as simon has proven, and when coupled with the Z3 M Coupe reinforcement plate (couple of quid from the dealers) i reckon would be even better

[Pal318is]

do rogue engineering top mounts come with a 2 year warranty? i doubt it

i dont know why everyone is making such a fuss either. the top mounts are literally only there to absorb the shock and impacts that the dampers places on the shell, and i find they have extremely limited characteristics towards handling and geometry. for instance, there is no adjustment for the top mount on a KDS...

that is why i feel, personally, spending all that money on the RE ones is a waste. the E46 cab ones suit perfectly for the job, as simon has proven, and when coupled with the Z3 M Coupe reinforcement plate (couple of quid from the dealers) i reckon would be even better

Tell me more about these reinforcement plates pls Stu?? Not heard of them before..

Pal

[stuartgallafant]

there basically just a plate, the same shape as the top mount, that fits over the nuts on the inside of the wing, and fits everything all nice and tight, to minimise lateral movement, or something like that. how well they work, im not sure, but kos had them on his iS i think, and he said good things about them

when i do my rear suspension, i will be fitting a pair