Mental...

[E30_BO1]

...when people pay £20K for an M3 evolution 2.5 when they could get an E46 M3

...when people pay £8K for a M3 2.3 when they could get a top 3.2 E36 M3 evolution

...when people pay £5K for a 325i Sport when they could get a top 2.8 E36 sport and change

...when people pay >£3K for a car thats 20 years old

[Jimbob]

...when losers join an enthusiasts forum

[dobbie82]

an e46 may be quick but has no soul......

I think most of us are nuts here though!

[E30_BO1]

...when losers join an enthusiasts forum

Even you are putting the 2.8 lump into your car

[Theo]

E30_BO1 - Your spelling is very good for a prepubescent school kid.

[dazleeds]

...when losers join an enthusiasts forum

its not all about the money tho
thats the whole point
its an oldskool thing, who wants to be the same as the car behind you on a daily basis

[Jimbob]

I'm putting a 2.8 into an E30, your rant is about the age and cost of the E30's, not the speed!

[E30_BO1]

I'm putting a 2.8 into an E30, your rant is about the age and cost of the E30's, not the speed!

They are very overpriced for what they are, compared to the older 5 series. If someone didn't appreciate what the car meant to people like you, I bet I could pick up one with the cash in my wallet right now.

[DRIFTBOY]

Yep, I've spent an eye-watering amount on my 1989 335i, with many new and uprated parts. There is not another car exactly like mine on the road.

I could have bought a tidy E36 M3.

But then I'd have (as good as they are!) just another E36 M3.

Like Dobbie is sort of saying, it's all about how much fun you have.

An enthusiast and petrol head like myself will get more satisfaction from spending money - and time and effort - to make an old car good than just going out and buying a not quite so old car.

[Dan318-is]

...when people pay £20K for an M3 evolution 2.5 when they could get an E46 M3

...when people pay £8K for a M3 2.3 when they could get a top 3.2 E36 M3 evolution

...when people pay £5K for a 325i Sport when they could get a top 2.8 E36 sport and change

...when people pay >£3K for a car thats 20 years old

f u c k i n g w a n k e r.

[dazleeds]

what exactly is the point in this thread bo ??

[E30_BO1]

To see if everyone can appreciate that E30's although a nice car to drive for 5 mins, are heavily overpriced.

[Jimbob]

I'm putting a 2.8 into an E30, your rant is about the age and cost of the E30's, not the speed!

They are very overpriced for what they are, compared to the older 5 series. If someone didn't appreciate what the car meant to people like you, I bet I could pick up one with the cash in my wallet right now.

As with anything in life mate, there are plenty of cars that hold great value to many people but to others are just an old car.

For examples a few weeks ago I found an M-Tech 2 Sport for £995 with 2 previous owners, FSH etc. The owner clearly didn't know what he had, yet if he had looked into slightly he would have found that the E30 (and the Sport in particular) is totally a sellers market, so therefore could've asked anything for it.

[E30_BO1]

Why not leave your sport as is, sell it and make £4K on it, then put that money and the money you were going to spend on the engine swap and on the car originally towards an E30 M3. Resale value would be much better than a messed around 325 sport.

[dazleeds]

so why do you think they are overpriced??

if your after a cheapo shitter theres loads out there

but if your after a piece of quality german engineering then you have to pay a premium

if people didnt want them then they would all cost pennies

same old story supply n demand

i personally dnt like the way most new cars look and dnt want a car full of driver aids etc

with an e30 i get the look i like and can put a number of engines in to give me the power i want

as said above i dnt wish to be yet another clone on the road
i want a car that has my presonality and tastes in it

[Jon_Bmw]

This is all coming from the bloke trying to sell an e21 for £5400 with no MOT, no TAX and plenty of rust.

Clown?

[Loony]

To see if everyone can appreciate that E30's although a nice car to drive for 5 mins, are heavily overpriced.

This could be applied to any car.Look at how much old fords go for ie 9 or 10k for a mk1 escort.As any car becomes older and more rarer its value will go up thats life.

[DaveD]

Daz you sometimes talk a load of ...but I TOTALLY agree with the above ...I have had more fun playing with my e30 than poncing about in anything else

[dazleeds]

Daz you sometimes talk a load of ...but I TOTALLY agree with the above ...I have had more fun playing with my e30 than poncing about in anything else

charming

altho coming from a fiat driver

[cliffybabe]

dude i paid a grand for my cab and spent nearly 3 half grand on it so far, But i love it the shape, the style and the look on other peoples face when they see it go past.

Y buy a e30 and do it up or spend loads of money???? Because its ur money and u spend it how u want.

And not to mention the fact without me buying my E30 cab i would of never meet the Stu, Az, Duffs, who live just 2mins from my house and now im best of mates with and the list goes on and on and on of other wicked people i have meet etc.

[Jimbob]

Why not leave your sport as is, sell it and make £4K on it, then put that money and the money you were going to spend on the engine swap and on the car originally towards an E30 M3. Resale value would be much better than a messed around 325 sport.

Ultimately, an E30 M3 is not for me, LHD for a start.
Funny you mention resale value, as that would also effect a 'messed around m3'

[jaistanley]

I agree with E30_BO1 to a certain extent. The best condition E30's are overpriced in my oppinion when you can buy cheaper examples that will last as long as most people will keep a car.

That said: I dont think anyone's mental for paying out on the best cars if they are real enthusiast and plan to keep the car for years, if you total the cost of restoring your daily driver it'll probably work out more expensive and a lot less conveinient.

I have spent an astronomical ammount on my 325i(S50B32) and it's just sat there on axle stands crying for attention. A mate just spent less on a really nice E36M3GT which we come to work in and I kick myself every time. I garauntee when I'm driving my car i'll think completely different though. It's the joy of driving something a little different and old skool kool that makes me love the E30. Plus, as above, if you avoid the anally retentive/perfect examples, the E30 is a cheap/reasonable to run car.

I would seriously go for an E46M3 over a Sport Evo (its a lot quicker and very comfortable etc); but the Evo is probably a better buy from a financial pov. In 5 years, which will be worth more? The Evos are appreciating if anything! Your argument doesn't realy hold up when you look at the cost of ownership over 5 years say.

Jai

[DaveD]

My fiat saves the cab for summer and lets me give it lots of attention over the winter!!!!

I also agree with the point made above . My cab stands me to £7k and if i had bought an e36 cab 3 years ago how much would i have paid for it and how much would i have lost in depreciation?

[dazleeds]

no comment

[cliffybabe]

My fiat

You drive a "Fix It Again Tony"

[Royalratch]

f u c k i n g w a n k e r.

Steady on mate that's OTT.

I disagree with all points except the E46 M3. IMH, if I was paying, I would take an E46 M3 over a Sport EVO any day - at the same price that is.

Money aside, I PREFER an E30 M3 anyday but if it's my money I just don't think they're worth what they go for - there comes a point where common sense overtakes all that 'sooooouuuwwwllll' bullshit. It's a car. I also think that Sport EVO / M3 prcies are artificialy high, pushed up by loser delaers etc trying to cash in. All the mystic magic hype doesn't help either.

There's so many other cars out there for Sport EVO money that are just as cool, as well as faster / better.

[DaveD]

My fiat

You drive a "Fix It Again Tony"

a coupe .........had 1 problem in 6 years(alternator) so I can't slag them off..no rust and starts every morning

[dazleeds]

strange

i just read ur post daveD now its gone

did it just break??

[DaveD]

hallucinations

[dazleeds]

no you posted the above minus the quote

then reposted with the quote

so no hallucinations here

[Dan318-is]

f u c k i n g w a n k e r.

Steady on mate that's OTT.

what if i went on an e36 forum and started ranting about the prices? why does it bother him so much that he has to waste webspace and cause another "heated debate"? coming from the same guy selilng an e21 that no doubt has more holes in it than a syve, a rusty syve at that.

tosser

[dobbie82]

Just received a nice PM

Want to be tied up to a stripper pole and whipped?

Charming


Telling an e30 fan that there cars are worthless is like telling a liverpool fan that they are not going to win the league this season, we can't take it in

e30's arent expensive to run if you buy a good one

[E30_BO1]

DAN: Go on an E36 forum then. The cars are much newer and rust is essentially non-existing in their timeline so far, excuse the 1992 dogs. Much more refined, although heavier the extra power of an equivilant model with 16V engines on the 6 pots makes them superior. A 318is E36 is actually cheaper to insure than the E30 equiv. and is faster especially the 1.9 lumps. Also they don't suffer so much handling -ve's with a 6pot in the bonnet. They are more fuel efficient. The build quality is much better. It is a much safer car to drive in. I could go on but I know this from owning both cars. P.S: I think E36's look just as good as E30's.

DOBBIE: Was just trying to make out your avatar as the title said

[dobbie82]

e30's arent expensive to run if you buy a good one

oh and
maintaining e30's have cost me a small fortune in the past 4 years, but then all three I've had havent cost £1100 to buy between them!

The main cost has been servicing and an e46 is gonna be as expensive if not more to maintain. and why would I want to look like a sales rep? (when I can look like a gyppo with a car and a half parked by my house )

Its fun having a real life meccano car!

[miniblob]

...when people pay £20K for an M3 evolution 2.5 when they could get an E46 M3

...when people pay £8K for a M3 2.3 when they could get a top 3.2 E36 M3 evolution

...when people pay £5K for a 325i Sport when they could get a top 2.8 E36 sport and change

...when people pay >£3K for a car thats 20 years old

Why are you here????

You can buy a bargain bucket E30 for £100 or less and run it on a shoestring budget if you want!

Money doesn't matter to me - i'd rather pay upwards of £3k for a 20yr old car i want, than pay upwards of £20k for a car i don't want!! That would be mental!!

It's not about what you could get, it's about what you want.

Everyone wants something different.
Everyone uses their cars for different things.
Everyone is different.

Other than that, it's all been said.