VOSA sucks ass

[FBF]

just got stopped by vosa and the police. had tax out of date for one month. (thats a civil offence and the reason why it was out of date) that was sent to tax office for backdating. then one iffy tyre, he could have given me three points but instead 'let me off' (ha hardly) with a prohibition on the car until fixed. oh and a Ԛ£30 fine for no seatbelt.. bugger! then the MOT i have was done by a mate who wrote on the form.. "wipers fucked" when he saw that he was very intrested. took my mot and will be going to the MOT station to "sort it out" now got to let mate know about the impending visit..

that was the most expensive trip to the shops ive ever done!

[Wiggy]

You are more than lucky to come away from that with only a 30 quid fine. Not trying to be a c*nt and state the obvious but definitely foolish by your mate.

Get him to pretend he's polish and that "fucked" is the polish for "not in urgent need to repair"

[FBF]

wasnt it! yeah i know i was lucky but to be fair i was honest with the copper and vosa guy and they do appreciate it when you dont bullshit them. he told me about the seatbelt and i told him id just been told by a diffrent copper only last week. for that he was lenient. of course mr policeman knows he cant do anything about the tax as its civil and not criminal, hence why im not too fused about no tax..

as for the mot tester hes covered apparently

[DanThe]

of course mr policeman knows he cant do anything about the tax as its civil and not criminal, hence why im not too fused about no tax..

Of course he can do something! He can take your details and hand them over to the DVLA.
I speak from experiance

[Richy325iTouring]

no tax dodgy mot
sounds like they were doing a great job

[FBF]

not a dodgy mot. as for the tax he can report me but cant do anything its not a criminal offence. they will ask me to backdate it the month it is owed.

[Simon13]

well if it's not a crimial offence how come my dad went to court once for taking his old E type jag out for a spin when it was untaxed and being restored?

ah must be civil

[smithy318i]

not a dodgy mot. as for the tax he can report me but cant do anything its not a criminal offence. they will ask me to backdate it the month it is owed.

FROM DVLA: The new rules mean that keepers who fail to re-license their vehicle (or declare SORN) will incur an automatic penalty of Ԛ£80 (reduced to Ԛ£40 if paid within 28 days). Those who ignore the penalty could receive a County Court Judgement against them, could be stopped by the police, and/or have their vehicles clamped. Determined offenders will be faced with prosecution and could be fined a minimum Ԛ£1000.

FROM RAC: It is a legal requirement that You hold a current MOT Test certificate for Your car. Without one, Your motor insurance becomes invalid.

[StuBeeDoo]

FBF you're sadly deluded if you think that all you've got to do is pay the back "tax".
Check this out.....
http://direct.gov.uk/Motoring/OwningAVe ... chk=gstKWH
Note where it says "As the registered keeper of an untaxed vehicle, you could be fined a minimum of Ԛ£1000." Yes, that word that I've put in italics reads M I N I M U M and the bit on the end is ONE THOUSAND POUNDS.
Just as a matter of interest........ No tax, MOT shady to say the least...... Did you bother getting your car insured???

[march109]

As for your mate get him out the shit, he denys it and say you must have wrote it, and you say he must have.

Do you think they will really get a handwriting specialist to analyse it just to take one of you to court over it?

As for tax, its allready been covered, tax laws have changed and are now far less lenient. But you are correct it is a civil offence, it is only if you don't pay the fine and don't turn up to court it becomes criminal, and thats when the coppers can come for you. But you CAN NOT back date it any more!

And the copper could prosecute you for driving withought insurance.

[StuBeeDoo]

then the MOT i have was done by a mate who wrote on the form.. "wipers fucked" when he saw that he was very intrested.

If your "mate" wrote on the actual MOT certificate, he could have his testers licence taken away and he ought to know that. All that should be on the certificate are the required vehicle details - nothing else.
Unless you mean that you showed the failure/advisory sheet to Plod/VOSA. In which case the "mate" could still get a stiff bollocking.

[Sinha]

Insurance would have been void anyhow. Come on mate, get your stuff together. Not being dramatic but the shit could have really hit the fan. A small accident that you caused would have lead to you being in the shit on a massive scale... no tax, dodgy MOT (cos thats what it is) and void insurance... Glad you've come out ok though. Live and learn from it.

[StuBeeDoo]

Not being dramatic but the shit could have really hit the fan.

I'm surprised that it didn't. We all know that Plod thinks innocent motorists are easy prey - compared to real criminals.

[beardymat]

just because his mate did the mot and wrote a silly comment on it doesnt mean its "dodgy"

why people have to make assumptions like that is beyond me and i think its unfair to pass judgement like that.

there are people out there doing a lot worse on a day to day basis,you just dont know about it

rant over

[Nostrils]

Nuff said by the others on the situation! All I will say is get yourself fully legal because VOSA/Police now have your details and they wont look kindly should you find yourself being stopped again!

[miniblob]

I'm sure not displaying a valid tax disc is/was a criminal offence!!!!!!

They've been clamping, then disposing of, a lot (fooking loads!) of cars in croydon recently!!!!
If you're not displaying a valid tax disc, i believe they are entitled to lift your car away and crush it!!

[gareth]

in my local brekers, they're closed to the public and are stacked 5 cars high over the whole site .this is because the police and local councils now have the right to remove untaxed cars, crush them and bill you for the prevelidge! hastings has had a few rounds of this lately and they take a thousand cars or so in a very short space of time. a while ago they were stopping cars with no tax and loading them straight onto a transporter to be removed and crushed. the occupants were allowed to remove their belongings but other than that got nothing but a fine.

beware...

[DanThe]

If you're not displaying a valid tax disc, i believe they are entitled to lift your car away and crush it!!

Thats true, a mate of mine who is a trader left a car he took in part ex on the grass verge (with no tax) because it ran out of juice on his way back from wherever it came from, in the time it took him to get back to his pitch, get a petrol can and back to the car it had gone! Police had called out a recovery truck and took it back to their compound. He had to pay Ԛ£200 to get it back even though he has trade plates!

Regardless of the situation the police can do what the fook they want, they know exactly how to bend the rules to suit

[miniblob]

Does take the piss really!!!!!!!

I wouldn't mind so much if the road tax money was spent on making the roads better quality and safer - but it's blatantly not!!

Wonder how many speed humps i've payed towards in the last few years

[FBF]

just to clarify for a second time the MOT WAS LEGITIMATE, i had to have a few bits done to pass. the vosa guy did a thorough check at the side of the road and was happy that the car was fine 'mot wise' except for the tyre that i had put on to the car after the MOT. the writiing was on the sheet that suggest any faults they dont write on the actual mot form. (he wont be in trouble as its been discussed) no tax is still a civil offence and not a criminal offence... looks like im wrong about the back dating thing. it has all changed in recent years, copper did say he thought they would backdate it.

as for insurance ive always had a trade policy as i change my cars more often than my pants.. sadly im a member of about 20 marque specialist forums..

i know your insurance is exempt without an mot but as for no tax im not entirely sure that leaves me as an illegal driver. the police certainly wernt intrested. incidentally i have 3 vehicles that dont even need an mot oand one that dont need mot or tax just the insurance.

[FBF]

just because his mate did the mot and wrote a silly comment on it doesnt mean its "dodgy"

why people have to make assumptions like that is beyond me and i think its unfair to pass judgement like that.

there are people out there doing a lot worse on a day to day basis,you just dont know about it

rant over

and your right too. it wasnt dodgy. the car was way too nice to need an iffy mot.

[Richy325iTouring]

from what you have wrote i can only speculate that the mot is dodgy by you saying that your mate wrote the mot thus implying that he didnt do a proper mot test and just gave you the certificate

if this isnt the case then you should have made the post more clear
rant over

[FBF]

its all done on computer now. you cant write a dodgy mot per se'. the only way to fudge an mot is to corrupt the tester. as for speculating etc who cares.. life is short

[thebigone]

can I just take this down a diffrent path. Depending on your insurance company, without a current tax you could well be not covered, most state that the car must be maintained in a road worthy condition with mot and tax, so what are the implications if you fit some one with no cover.

[DanThe]

can I just take this down a diffrent path. Depending on your insurance company, without a current tax you could well be not covered, most state that the car must be maintained in a road worthy condition with mot and tax, so what are the implications if you fit some one with no cover.

If that was the case with a traders policy then who would have one?

[jon_pure_british]

not wearing a seat belt is just stupid, i just dont understand why people have such problems with them... if life is short mate, expect it to get much shorter if you continue to not wear it..

[DanThe]

not wearing a seat belt is just stupid, i just dont understand why people have such problems with them... if life is short mate, expect it to get much shorter if you continue to not wear it..

I spent 4 weeks in hospital after being thrown from my car during an accident with a fractured skull, blood clot on my brain and a few other broken bones. I was lucky to come out alive, but I was also told by the doctors and police who investigated the accident that if id have had my seat belt on I wouldnt be here now.

Thats my reason

[FBF]

not wearing a seat belt is just stupid, i just dont understand why people have such problems with them... if life is short mate, expect it to get much shorter if you continue to not wear it..

fair comment jon and i certainly do not advocate not wearing a seatbelt. i do try to wear it when i remember but i simply get in a car and drive it off. its an awful habit. that said i dont smoke.... i could drink too and that would shorten my life or even go out walking on the road.. if i stayed at home i wouldnt get run over.. but ya cant do that forever

[Sinha]

If you stayed at home you wouldnt get run over... well true, but its a fairly invalid argument - I do know what your saying, but there is no argument for not wearing a seatbelt. none. I'm a risk taker... I drive sportily, I snowboard, scuba dive, skydive and BASE jump. The difference is mitigating and managing the risk. When doing something as dangerous as some of the above - BASE in particular, I and everyone around me does their utmost to minimise the risk involved. To do anything else is asking for it. Thats not to say accidents wont happen, because they will, I have seen 2 friends plummet over 2000ft to a sorry end. But its a risk associated with the activity... Driving is no different. The road is a dangerous place as it is. the accident that kills you may not be your fault, however to knowingly open deaths door by not wearing a seatbelt is downright idiotic.

Its your life, but please heed the advice... Do what you can to help youself, then you can be satisfied that you could have done nothing more.

Take it easy

[FBF]

all good advice. but i refuse to believe everyone here wears a seat belt. im not saying they dont on purpose. but weve all done it

[jmc330i]

If you're not displaying a valid tax disc, i believe they are entitled to lift your car away and crush it!!

Thats true, a mate of mine who is a trader left a car he took in part ex on the grass verge (with no tax) because it ran out of juice on his way back from wherever it came from, in the time it took him to get back to his pitch, get a petrol can and back to the car it had gone! Police had called out a recovery truck and took it back to their compound. He had to pay Ԛ£200 to get it back even though he has trade plates!

Regardless of the situation the police can do what the fook they want, they know exactly how to bend the rules to suit

But the trade plates must be displayed to be valid and you cant leave a vehicle unattended with trade plates on show. Your mate should have got someone else to come out with the go juice and not left the car, but hindsight and all...

can I just take this down a diffrent path. Depending on your insurance company, without a current tax you could well be not covered, most state that the car must be maintained in a road worthy condition with mot and tax, so what are the implications if you fit some one with no cover.

If that was the case with a traders policy then who would have one?

A traders policy doesnt mean you can drive any car regardless of whether its Taxed or MOTd or not. The car stills needs to be legal.


As for the seatbelt thing, its all down to 'if I did this...'
I have a mate who rolled a 205 convertible along the top a wall. He never used a seatbelt and was thrown sideways into the passenger seat - he wouldnt have a head anymore IF he had worn his seatbelt.

[nickso]

and i know two guys who wouldnt be here if they werent wearing their belts.

i dont see what the argument is....its personal preference.

i think that i would survive all but the most bizarre crashes (see some of the ones mentioned above) with a seatbelt on....therefore i wear one.

the only time i would care if anyone else was wearing one is if they were sitting next to me cos that reduces my chances in a crash if they were to crush me or something stupid like that.

[gareth]

people in the back will crush the ones in the front should you have a head-on hit.

i will never even move off until everyone in my car has a seatbelt on, pisses off my mates sometimes if i'm giving them a lift but i'm not having someone elses injuries (or worse) on my concience.