Harness anchor points

[Muzz2676]

The previous owner has attached the harnesses to where the base of the rear seat used to be, in my previous track cars if the car didn't have a roll cage the companies that built them for me used to add a harness bar, is it okay to have them bolted where they are. I was thinking of direction of force in an accident.

[ross_jsy]

Look up what the blue book says about harness angles.

However, a harness is just part of a 3 part safety system made up of a fixed back bucket seat and roll cage. Without all 3 parts in place, it is potentially more dangerous than a normal 3 point seat belt and standard seat.

[maxfield]

In an ideal world the harness should be horizontal come out the back of the seat.

Agree with Ross, when it comes to a track car safety is always the first the to be addressed.

[Muzz2676]

It's got fixed back bucket seats, but not the roll cage, that is in the future planning.

Also I've always had another crotch strap and this hasn't got them and finally never had seat belt style clip in always a proper round clip in

[Nobby_N]

Pacer has some crotch straps i think!

[Motorhole]

Ideally: http://simpsonraceproducts.com/pdf/inst ... itions.pdf

See the rear seatbelt clip used as a mounting point frequently but it's not ideal as it can put undue compressive force on the spine in a frontal impact. Use a harness bar

[ross_jsy]

The problem with fixed back buckets and harnesses and no cage is if you go over and the roof caves in, you get trapped making it hard to remove you quickly. You are also fixed firmly in place so that roof has the potential for snapping your back in 2.

All 3 or non at all is your best bet.

[Muzz2676]

Not sure whether to cage it or flog the seats and put back in seats and belts. All fixings are still there to put some e30 seats back in.

Decisions....it is going to be rather swift in the not too distant future.

[Nobby_N]

Did you not pay good money for this one? If your plans of changing loads of bits why did you not buy a shell and save yourself few coppers?

[ross_jsy]

Not sure whether to cage it or flog the seats and put back in seats and belts. All fixings are still there to put some e30 seats back in.

Decisions....it is going to be rather swift in the not too distant future.

I may be interested in the seats if you go down that route. Meant to be looking at some pro 2000's next week as it happens.

What are your plans for the car? Track or road use?

[Muzz2676]

Did you not pay good money for this one? If your plans of changing loads of bits why did you not buy a shell and save yourself few coppers?

It wasn't exactly the plan but i'm mental and can't help myself, I should have put more thought into this but hey ho, you live and don't learn.

To be fair all I need now as I see it is the new 3.0 m52 i've got being built, cage and possibly the 5 stud conversion and I'm done (probably, maybe).

[Muzz2676]

Not sure whether to cage it or flog the seats and put back in seats and belts. All fixings are still there to put some e30 seats back in.

Decisions....it is going to be rather swift in the not too distant future.

I may be interested in the seats if you go down that route. Meant to be looking at some pro 2000's next week as it happens.

What are your plans for the car? Track or road use?

Bit of both, it'll only ever be a toy and road work will just be a summer days blat cross country or a road trip with the boys with Nurburgring/spa etc no mundain duties.

The end game is to have a car thats a good craic as the Irish say

[DanThe]

Nobby, the shell on this car was the biggest reason for buying it.

I wouldnt worry too much about seats/harnesses at the moment, its not like you will be jumping straight in at the deep end and driving it on the limit

[Muzz2676]

Nobby, the shell on this car was the biggest reason for buying it.

I wouldnt worry too much about seats/harnesses at the moment, its not like you will be jumping straight in at the deep end and driving it on the limit

As Dan says, if the shell wasn't so mint I would have walked away. It's very clean and rust free

[craigieeb]

Not sure whether to cage it or flog the seats and put back in seats and belts. All fixings are still there to put some e30 seats back in.

Decisions....it is going to be rather swift in the not too distant future.

I may be interested in the seats if you go down that route

Vulture

but just what I was thinking haha

On mine, I have buckets/ and a cage but with no harness bar yet,

and i've bolted my 3 point harnesses into where the rear seatbelt catch used to be,
if it's strong enough for standard BMW seatbelts,
then I suppose it'll hold up to a harness being bolted into it

[HairyScreech]

The rule of thumb says: if the seats are mounted to the shell mount the belts to the shell.
If the car is caged mount the seats and the belts to the cage.

The reason for that is there has been a few incidents with cages or seats separating from shells and causing crushed spines.

With no cage and the belts and seats to the shell then I would have thought you were ok.

[DanThe]

The reason for that is there has been a few incidents with cages or seats separating from shells and causing crushed spines.

Would have to be a freak accident for that to happen!

[HairyScreech]

The reason for that is there has been a few incidents with cages or seats separating from shells and causing crushed spines.

Would have to be a freak accident for that to happen!

Or a questionable cage mounting on a rotten 80s turd.

Tech inspection can't see inside box sections or how thick raised feet are.

Personally I think it's a damn sensible regulation.

[Muzz2676]

I was watching a video on the new Renault Megane 275 track thingy, it looks like this has bucket seats, harnesses and no cage straight from the manufacturer!?