Does anyone on the Zone do these DWYB ?
What is it like ?
What are the exercises like ?
As far as I understand is divided into beginner, intermediate and advance.
I would be starting at beginner.
Does everyone take spare wheel rims with them ?
What are the other cars like ?
Do most people cars survive all the drifting ?
Thanks very much
DWYB Drift What You Bring
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I've been several times as well as many other track days.
They run less days than they used to and they book up very quickly and are busy on the main track, they only tend to be on weekdays too so for those reasons I'm not too worried about going again. I last went April last year and the queues for the main track were a total joke. it was supposed to be limited to 60 people and they booked in 60 and then let anyone else pay on the day, totally ruined it for me. Apparently they are now enforcing the correct numbers so it should be better. Snetterton run regular days and it's much closer to me than pod, though you have to contend with a proper track which can be more intimidating than pod with its massive concrete areas and play pens.
They layout a modest sized "top track" which is good fun, some parts are quite quick too which is good. Then they run 4-6 play pens which are fenced of and are for learning the basics of drifting/donuts and have cones to practice drifting around. If you are a complete beginner than pod is very good for these reasons. Play pens are less busy than the top track. As soon as you become slightly competent head for the top track, you will learn SO much more in a much shorter time. It's big enough that you won't get in people's way and there's plenty of space if anything goes wrong.
As far as I'm aware it's not divided into beginner/advanced etc, just has the play pens to practice in.
You can either take spare rims with tyres, take spare tyres and pay to get them fitted by the tyre van or rely on the tyre van to have spare tyres and pay for them and fitting. I've always brought spare wheels with tyres already on, less hassle and downtime. If you do this then take as many spares as you can. If it's wet then you'll probably do the whole day on one set of reasonable rear tyres. A dry day is brutal on tyres and you can do a set within 1-2 sessions on the top track. The play pens will use less tyres.
I see a few other E30s up there, many E36 325/328, many Nissan Skylines/200sx, many MX5. I've used my underpowered E30 320i there and had a good day but some corners were hard work, E30 325i are pretty much perfect out on the top track (I took a 325i touring once). My 320i is now M30 3.5 powered and it's as much power as I'll ever need drifting, I took it to Snetterton drifting on Saturday
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As long as you are reasonably sensible your car will survive. I've seen road going E39 M5s playing around at pod as well as other cared for cars. I've nearly hit a concrete block once at pod but I was pushing it and getting used to the car at the same time
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I rate Norfolk Arena higher than pod for atmosphere and wait times, it is also very beginner friendly.
Before the anti-drift squad arrive, just have a go and you'll be hooked.
My old 325i touring at pod
They run less days than they used to and they book up very quickly and are busy on the main track, they only tend to be on weekdays too so for those reasons I'm not too worried about going again. I last went April last year and the queues for the main track were a total joke. it was supposed to be limited to 60 people and they booked in 60 and then let anyone else pay on the day, totally ruined it for me. Apparently they are now enforcing the correct numbers so it should be better. Snetterton run regular days and it's much closer to me than pod, though you have to contend with a proper track which can be more intimidating than pod with its massive concrete areas and play pens.
They layout a modest sized "top track" which is good fun, some parts are quite quick too which is good. Then they run 4-6 play pens which are fenced of and are for learning the basics of drifting/donuts and have cones to practice drifting around. If you are a complete beginner than pod is very good for these reasons. Play pens are less busy than the top track. As soon as you become slightly competent head for the top track, you will learn SO much more in a much shorter time. It's big enough that you won't get in people's way and there's plenty of space if anything goes wrong.
As far as I'm aware it's not divided into beginner/advanced etc, just has the play pens to practice in.
You can either take spare rims with tyres, take spare tyres and pay to get them fitted by the tyre van or rely on the tyre van to have spare tyres and pay for them and fitting. I've always brought spare wheels with tyres already on, less hassle and downtime. If you do this then take as many spares as you can. If it's wet then you'll probably do the whole day on one set of reasonable rear tyres. A dry day is brutal on tyres and you can do a set within 1-2 sessions on the top track. The play pens will use less tyres.
I see a few other E30s up there, many E36 325/328, many Nissan Skylines/200sx, many MX5. I've used my underpowered E30 320i there and had a good day but some corners were hard work, E30 325i are pretty much perfect out on the top track (I took a 325i touring once). My 320i is now M30 3.5 powered and it's as much power as I'll ever need drifting, I took it to Snetterton drifting on Saturday
.As long as you are reasonably sensible your car will survive. I've seen road going E39 M5s playing around at pod as well as other cared for cars. I've nearly hit a concrete block once at pod but I was pushing it and getting used to the car at the same time
. I rate Norfolk Arena higher than pod for atmosphere and wait times, it is also very beginner friendly.
Before the anti-drift squad arrive, just have a go and you'll be hooked.
My old 325i touring at pod
Anti-drift squad, ha! My advice would be as rob0r says really,
The good thing about pod DWYB is you can just turn up and literally 'drift what you brung'. Tyre van on site where you can change and even buy part (mostly) worns. I wouldn't worry about taking spare rims and stuff the first time you go as it will give the car time to cool down and you can have a good chat to other people at the tyre van or in the pits etc.
If your car is in good mechanical condition to start with you should be fine, if you are in the play pens starting out, try and have the vehicle moving before the wheels are spinning, burnouts and limiter bashing on the spot seem to kill cars, and keep giving the car time to cool down, a fast idle will cool a car better than just switching it off.
Start out with high tyre pressures like 50psi as the tyres seem to last longer then, and practice doing figure of 8's by just driving in a big figure of 8 faster and faster till the car starts to slide, then just try and hold the slide with out spinning, if you straighten out just resume driving figure of 8 faster and faster etc, if you spin just start over. It takes a good while to be able to predict what the car is going to do so don't get frustrated.
The good thing about pod DWYB is you can just turn up and literally 'drift what you brung'. Tyre van on site where you can change and even buy part (mostly) worns. I wouldn't worry about taking spare rims and stuff the first time you go as it will give the car time to cool down and you can have a good chat to other people at the tyre van or in the pits etc.
If your car is in good mechanical condition to start with you should be fine, if you are in the play pens starting out, try and have the vehicle moving before the wheels are spinning, burnouts and limiter bashing on the spot seem to kill cars, and keep giving the car time to cool down, a fast idle will cool a car better than just switching it off.
Start out with high tyre pressures like 50psi as the tyres seem to last longer then, and practice doing figure of 8's by just driving in a big figure of 8 faster and faster till the car starts to slide, then just try and hold the slide with out spinning, if you straighten out just resume driving figure of 8 faster and faster etc, if you spin just start over. It takes a good while to be able to predict what the car is going to do so don't get frustrated.
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Thanks very much for the kind words much appreciated.
I think key is to be mechanically sympathetic while drifting so letting it warm up and cool properly and because has wet sump in the engine and ensuring all the fluid levels are correct.
I can do figures of 8 drifting over a short distance between the cones. However, I need a little more practise to get the figure of 8 geometrically perfect.
Is there also like a skid pan circle where you can practise holding a drift continuously over a circle ?
The E30 i am using is pretty much stock except Powerflex bushes at rear and LSD is 40% lock. This has had a BMW Inspection II Service recently and many new parts fitted.
I think key is to be mechanically sympathetic while drifting so letting it warm up and cool properly and because has wet sump in the engine and ensuring all the fluid levels are correct.
I can do figures of 8 drifting over a short distance between the cones. However, I need a little more practise to get the figure of 8 geometrically perfect.
Is there also like a skid pan circle where you can practise holding a drift continuously over a circle ?
The E30 i am using is pretty much stock except Powerflex bushes at rear and LSD is 40% lock. This has had a BMW Inspection II Service recently and many new parts fitted.
Yeah, there are 3 or 4 big squares of tarmac which are fenced off which you could easily drift a big circle (playpens). And there is an area which is called the kidney track which is about double the size of a playpen, it is roughly marked out to be a kidney shape with a few cones but you could drift a circle there if you wanted to.
As rob)r says, try and get on the main track when you are confident enough you will learn so much faster, at speed drifting seems to work much better, they have people who will come out on the main track as passenger and give you tips, or they will drive your car as demonstration with you as passenger so you have confidence the car will do it.
Your car sounds fine, go along to a DWYB day without trying to 'achieve' anything and you will certainly have lots of fun, You will certainly want to go again,..... and again.....and again... you can be more organised and try and achieve stuff those times
And chat to as many people as possible up there, everyone is friendly.
As rob)r says, try and get on the main track when you are confident enough you will learn so much faster, at speed drifting seems to work much better, they have people who will come out on the main track as passenger and give you tips, or they will drive your car as demonstration with you as passenger so you have confidence the car will do it.
Your car sounds fine, go along to a DWYB day without trying to 'achieve' anything and you will certainly have lots of fun, You will certainly want to go again,..... and again.....and again... you can be more organised and try and achieve stuff those times
And chat to as many people as possible up there, everyone is friendly.
Ah yes, definitely get experienced people to sit in with you. When I first started I was really struggling with my car drifting around Mallory and I was blaming the car (E32 735i manual with a dodgy LSD). I asked a BDC/Drift all stars driver to drive my car and see what I was doing wrong, that was a serious eye opener! He smashed every corner, when I got back in the car I did so much better just from watching him.
I think Lex the organiser of DWYB is happy to sit in with people.
I think Lex the organiser of DWYB is happy to sit in with people.
DWYB is fine for a fun cheap day and learning.
Car wise, ensure you cars cooling system is perfect, drifting is very demanding on cars and if you are planning on doing donuts and slow speed things a e30 can overheat very quickly (and most at dwyb do). I cant stress how important this is, Santa pod doesnt have much near it and the worst thing is a broken car there. I would also remove any splitters you have as you will hit a cone and they tend to rip them off!
Thing to do is check every single piece of the cooling system and ensure your viscous fan is working too. Fit an electric fan onto a manual switch, turn it on and leave it on all day and take as many spares as you can. E30s are robust but take as much as you can. Steve from Mint tyres is the tyre van/man chap there and is very helpful. If you are only taking wheel rims drop him a message on the driftworks threads and let him know what tyre sizes you need so atleast you know there will be some there.
Pod is great for learning and even for more experienced drivers, there is pretty much nothing to hit and if you do hit the top concrete barriers then your running really really wide!
Learning the basics in the play pens are good, but to really progress you need to get out on the big track and i would really recommend doing so asap once you feel comfortable in the car.
The best thing is not to feel intimidated, when you queue up for the big track just pull away last so then it gives a good clear lap gap between you and the next car. EVERYONE spins and no one is a pro just remember that and you will be fine!
The queues really are not that bad, your not going to be able to finish a session and go straight back on but the wait is never normally more then 10 minutes, at least it gives a the car a chance to cool down and the driver too....
The only thing about pod, it is really really bumpy. If (like me) your running a hard/track set up soften it down before you go, my car is nigh on un-driveable at pod it just gets thrown about like crazy and spins. Most of the cars that seem to go round effortlessly have stock or minor suspension modifications.
I have waffled but hope it helps
Watch the videos below for an idea...
Car wise, ensure you cars cooling system is perfect, drifting is very demanding on cars and if you are planning on doing donuts and slow speed things a e30 can overheat very quickly (and most at dwyb do). I cant stress how important this is, Santa pod doesnt have much near it and the worst thing is a broken car there. I would also remove any splitters you have as you will hit a cone and they tend to rip them off!
Thing to do is check every single piece of the cooling system and ensure your viscous fan is working too. Fit an electric fan onto a manual switch, turn it on and leave it on all day and take as many spares as you can. E30s are robust but take as much as you can. Steve from Mint tyres is the tyre van/man chap there and is very helpful. If you are only taking wheel rims drop him a message on the driftworks threads and let him know what tyre sizes you need so atleast you know there will be some there.
Pod is great for learning and even for more experienced drivers, there is pretty much nothing to hit and if you do hit the top concrete barriers then your running really really wide!
Learning the basics in the play pens are good, but to really progress you need to get out on the big track and i would really recommend doing so asap once you feel comfortable in the car.
The best thing is not to feel intimidated, when you queue up for the big track just pull away last so then it gives a good clear lap gap between you and the next car. EVERYONE spins and no one is a pro just remember that and you will be fine!
The queues really are not that bad, your not going to be able to finish a session and go straight back on but the wait is never normally more then 10 minutes, at least it gives a the car a chance to cool down and the driver too....
The only thing about pod, it is really really bumpy. If (like me) your running a hard/track set up soften it down before you go, my car is nigh on un-driveable at pod it just gets thrown about like crazy and spins. Most of the cars that seem to go round effortlessly have stock or minor suspension modifications.
I have waffled but hope it helps
Watch the videos below for an idea...
DWYB are great days for all levels. They`ve sorted the problems out with ques and there is more seat time than you can use. Half of the people at the last three days I`ve been to have been new to drifting, its great to see! Loads of easy bits to learn on, the big track if your abit better and plenty of people to give you some advice or pasenger rides so you can see what their doing. Make sure you ask though, no one will come up and just tell you what your doing.
Any E30 there will be fine, mine is a 325 with stock engine, coilovers, seat and hydro. It monsters the big track, i`m the limiting factor.
Top tips are line around the bigger tracks, if you think its reving out or not pulling a gear you`ve got it wrong, and tyre pressures. Not to high or it`ll be like driving on ice, 25-30psi will be fine.
I spin alot because I drive like a spaz and push 100% all the time, some people cruze and drift slowly. what ever, as long as its fun.
Just buy a ticket and go do this.............
Any E30 there will be fine, mine is a 325 with stock engine, coilovers, seat and hydro. It monsters the big track, i`m the limiting factor.
Top tips are line around the bigger tracks, if you think its reving out or not pulling a gear you`ve got it wrong, and tyre pressures. Not to high or it`ll be like driving on ice, 25-30psi will be fine.
I spin alot because I drive like a spaz and push 100% all the time, some people cruze and drift slowly. what ever, as long as its fun.
Just buy a ticket and go do this.............
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PS
Loving the pics
Keeping the Sport as standard as possible.
The main changes are
Fully rebuilt BMW LSD 40% lock 3.91
Powerflex rear beam bushes, rear trailing arm bushes, rear anti roll bar bush
BMW Z3 M Coupe diff cover
Do people think I need electric fan fitted ?
Also as the engine is wet sump after drifting circles in the beginner stuff should I only be doing 2 laps at a time before changing other direction to keep engine healthy ?
Loving the pics
Keeping the Sport as standard as possible.
The main changes are
Fully rebuilt BMW LSD 40% lock 3.91
Powerflex rear beam bushes, rear trailing arm bushes, rear anti roll bar bush
BMW Z3 M Coupe diff cover
Do people think I need electric fan fitted ?
Also as the engine is wet sump after drifting circles in the beginner stuff should I only be doing 2 laps at a time before changing other direction to keep engine healthy
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I can see the problem therepony wrote:
I can do figures of 8 drifting over a short distance between the cones. However, I need a little more practise to get the figure of 8 geometrically perfect.
which I would have done had my diff not SHAT it self all over the road at 7am on a sunday morning waking up all the residents.
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When is the main event of the year, Pone? I can't wait, and it's unfair of you not to record the moment for all of us to enjoy as we will never drift in our lives.
Post vids!
Post vids!
PONY, 2013 - "Anyway span 360 degrees hitting the kerb and giving the old man two fingers as I was spinning like Michael Schumacher would
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Cunts the lot of ya
I have already been drifting in the Sport. FACT.
I went a few weeks ago to Milbrook.
Great fun. And yes I survived. I want more practise.
I have to update the Sport thread as has not been updated properly since 4th June.
I have already been drifting in the Sport. FACT.
I went a few weeks ago to Milbrook.
Great fun. And yes I survived. I want more practise.
I have to update the Sport thread as has not been updated properly since 4th June.
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Vids or it didn't happen!
PONY, 2013 - "Anyway span 360 degrees hitting the kerb and giving the old man two fingers as I was spinning like Michael Schumacher would
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So you say. We all know you're full of shit!
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If you actually knew anything at all about Millbrook you would realise you are not allowed to take photographs or videos within the facilityGert_8 wrote:So you say. We all know you're full of shit!
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Ah, sorry mate, I'm not a drifter, so you're right, I wouldn't know anything about Millbrook.pony wrote:If you actually knew anything at all about Millbrook you would realise you are not allowed to take photographs or videos within the facilityGert_8 wrote:So you say. We all know you're full of shit!
You'll have to post some street footage!
PONY, 2013 - "Anyway span 360 degrees hitting the kerb and giving the old man two fingers as I was spinning like Michael Schumacher would