What are values of truely 'MINT' Sports ???

[skh]

Following on from the thread re Sport Wanted and the various comments about values and note some mention that 'mint' ones are in excess of £10k.
What do you believe would be a realistic value on low mileage, few owner Sports with full SH etc and proper MINT.
The last I knew which WLN had for sale was 2008 (??) & went for£16k then but was only 8k miles I think.
I consider low miles to be sub 50k but others sub 75k.
Low owners 2, 3 or 4 perhaps with at least one being for a good number of years.
This is about values of mint Sports so identify if referring to Tech 1 or 2's and does not extend to SE or Sportised cars - (start a seperate thread for those if you must)
Look forward to your views on this.
Thanks

[Rtaylor2208]

There is only one true way to know and that's for one to go for sale on eBay with no reserve and a 99p start. There only true value is how much someone wants one and how deep there pockets are.

[kieran325]

I wouldn't part with mine for any figure.

[Topblag]

There seems to have been a recent hike in prices for sports parts - body kits, mirrors, head linings etc.

The price of decent ones also seems to have risen. They are defo on the up.

[polsta]

Also of note (mint original WLN type cars aside) .. Latley even in past year, there hasn't been any ?/many , real nice restored want for nothing proven solid backed up with full resto history proven solid , type zoners sports for sale has there ? So it's hard to gauge values/put a going rate value on such cars, owners of such don't put them up for sale , only sort that come up that are in that 4k nice sort of range are not proven mint , like meatballs and a cple of others , have then needed a lot of work and are not mint after digging in

[sunnyr83]

Well who on earth would sell their

real nice restored want for nothing proven solid backed up with full resto history proven solid , type zoners sports

After spending so much money on it, what sense would that make?! Would you think about selling your e30 once it's finished.

You seem hell bent on making people beleive such e30's don't exist, i'm sure they do.

[polsta]

Hell bent on what ? Of course they exist lol plenty of zoners have very nice cars , but like I pointed out and you agreed.. Them type don't come up for sale,let alone a string of them to gauge values , because like we say..owners just don't want to sell them

Which all I'm saying.. How can you accurately value them ?

[sunnyr83]

Ok, so your saying these mint sports don't come up for sale apossed to they don't exist?

I get you.

[polsta]

Yes exactly ! When was the last zoners like that put up for sale ? ... Exactly

So how can you value them as they don't have a "going rate" as such ?

[ajay]

There are bmw owners with very nice examples of e30 sport's and other models too that are not members of the zone,and would not advertise a car for sale on e bay. If and when a collector/owner of said vehicles decide to sell its usually advertised elsewhere. Top cars don,t need the likes of the zone forsale section or e bay to get shifted. Lesser cars Do!

[pony]

Well should the concours ones sold for over £10k which are the very low owners; low mileage; FBMWSH; no rust; no welding; all original paint; completely standard; All MOTs they are worth this money.

This is very rare and hardly anyone has one. What u have to go on are previously sold values for ones in similar condition but u won't have much data. The WLN ones took some time to sell so these condition ones would not neccasurly sell like hot cakes.

OP is yours the TechII Diamond Black one at BMW Car Club GB Show .... If so you fuckung love your Sport .... My fav car in the show .... But there were not any M3 CS/M3 CSLs that really caughtt eye. Would be the one I would most want to take home

[jonny323i]

A car is only worth what a buyer will pay for it. There have been lots of cars ranging from £500 to thousands most people wouldnt pay 10k for any type of sport unless they are a rich collector as a half decent m3 can be had for the same money.
No e30 after 20 odd years will be mint the rust just hasnt shown its head yet

[jimbom30cab]

I don't think it's just sports, there is definitely less and less good example 2 door cars for sale. On gay bay there is really mostly cabs and tourings. It can be a real challenge annekka trying to find a decent 2 door shell now. Must say that I've not seen many sports for sale either the tidy usable category. The ones that profess to be minsters are normally being sold as the owner was pointed out a few home truths at the last mot, like sell it now before its either scrap or a resto project. I wonder how much a good usable sport with plenty of life left and a few ŵeld repairs and touch ups present would sell for, maybe 3 to 5k I would guess. At the end of the day it is supply and demand, the demand for these special e30s is rising and the supply is falling, therefor prices have to move in line. MK1 and 2 escorts for example.

[pony]

However lets say in theory a mint Sport is £5-10k .... There are other cars that would give just as much fun .... E46 M3 .... Z4 M Coupe in a few years and these come with the all important LSD for some RWD fun

Is funny how decent E46 330Ci Coupe can be hand I imagine round £5k which faster more equipment more comfortable where E30 325i Sport is more fun

[samuraibaz]

Mint = Priceless!

[daimlerman]

Very difficult to find the OP's idea of a mint E30,let alone a 'Bracknall Special',sorry,M paket or 'sport' in the UK.

Genuine,low miles,low owner cars are the Holy Grail that is sought out by the serious collector for whom price is of little importance.

Such car's as these are bought as 'retirement cars',the last car to be bought brand new and is kept in a heated and carpeted garage and polished on a weekly basis.
If 'Last of the Summer Wine' had been set in Surrey instead of Yorkshire,then Wally Batty would have been a potential owner of such a car,afterall,if YOU were married to Nora Batty,polishing the E30 would have been a much more appealling task!

Now we have identified the typical original buyer,all you have to do is find a 95 year old with a 'sport' tucked up his back passage....

[Gert_8]

There was a guy on here that bought what looked like a "mint" car to me. Paid £4k iirc. Really stunning example.

Found the link.

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=232568

[Morat]

woah, that's stunning.

I with the average joe like me could pick up a sport like that for £4k!!

[Chris_B86]

Well I paid £2400 for mine last year, it looked tidy on the face of things, and it was generally solid.

However, I've had to replace all the bushes, suspension and top mounts (not all of it was knackered but no point doing half a job).

Then there are the odd bits of rust, 2 bubbles on the scuttle, 1 on the rear arch, a bit on the front turrets, at the back under the battery tray, and a few bits of surface behind the kit on the valances.

All of this is going to be rectified over the next couple of months (my bodyshop has created a savings fund for me haha)

It has 6 owners including myself, has covered 147,000 but with comprehensive service history.

I imagine that when it's done out of the bodyshop, if I'm lucky it will be worth roughly what it owes me (£4-5k) as although it should be able to be described as mint, it won't be original out of the factory, maybe less as although it's new and more expensive, it has aftermarket suspension.

Hopefully as the years go on, it will appreciate in value as a good example of a something which will be dwindling in supply.

There is one on eBay at the moment which is up to £3300 and looks like it needs a fair bit of attention. It leaks, has a whiney diff, and is described as 'needs an enthusiast in order to either restore to excellent condition'

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200891457037? ... 1423.l2649

I suppose the saying rings true, a car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Whilst I may put a value on mine, there are things which may attract one kind of buyer, but put off another, like the fact it's silver, has no leather, and doesn't have original suspension, although I would probably put it back to standard if I ever decided to sell

[Jim320i]

There was a guy on here that bought what looked like a "mint" car to me. Paid £4k iirc. Really stunning example.

Found the link.

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=232568

Andy's car is proper Mint. The cleanest E30 i've ever seen But, it was rare find for the price he paid. When I first seen it, he asked me what I thought it would be worth, I said 10k, he got it valued by the BMWCC (I think it was them losers ) Who came back with pretty much the same figure.
He was lucky to get it at that price, and I doubt very much there are many more to be had like that.
It wasnt advertised either, he spotted it in a customers garage on a job and asked about it. Right place at the right time...

[ross_jsy]

Mine was pretty mint before I ripped out everything and installed a cage and many other bastardisations.

Not a single spot of rust on it and it has been fully stripped. I guess it's because we don't salt our roads/better weather than the UK.

[Chris_B86]

Mine was pretty mint before I ripped out everything and installed a cage and many other bastardisations.

Not a single spot of rust on it and it has been fully stripped. I guess it's because we don't salt our roads/better weather than the UK.

My Dad painted a 635 that had come from the C.I and to be fair that was fairly solid, it had just gone pink

[snakebrain]

Well I paid £2400 for mine last year, it looked tidy on the face of things, and it was generally solid.

However, I've had to...

But it's not 'mint' and never will be..

[Chris_B86]

Well I paid £2400 for mine last year, it looked tidy on the face of things, and it was generally solid.

However, I've had to...

But it's not 'mint' and never will be..

If you care to read the rest of the post, I go on to detail that it isn't mint, given that it has rust on it.

However, define the word 'mint' this does not mean original in my eyes, it means no rust, no marks, no blemishes, no issues, which given that it's going in for strip out resto/respray, with minimal use of any filler, it will be metal grafted where required, I'd say it's going to be pretty damned close, it's just not going to have original factory paint, therefore will never command the price of a mint and ORIGINAL example

[snakebrain]

Well I paid £2400 for mine last year, it looked tidy on the face of things, and it was generally solid.

However, I've had to...

But it's not 'mint' and never will be..

If you care to read the rest of the post, I go on to detail that it isn't mint, given that it has rust on it.

If you care to read the thread title, it isn't about how you can tidy up a 6 owner 150k turd with lurking rust. It's about mint cars, with a maximum of 50k miles and a couple of very careful owners that have never seen paint and where everything still works exactly like it should, down to the tiniest plastic clips...

[Chris_B86]

But it's not 'mint' and never will be..

If you care to read the rest of the post, I go on to detail that it isn't mint, given that it has rust on it.

If you care to read the thread title, it isn't about how you can tidy up a 6 owner 150k turd with lurking rust. It's about mint cars, with a maximum of 50k miles and a couple of very careful owners that have never seen paint and where everything still works exactly like it should, down to the tiniest plastic clips...

I was merely adding my input, to give an idea of what ordinary cars go for, which is also why I posted a link up to another '150k turd'

Given that the cars which you describe are a rare thing, even rarer to see one for sale, one of the only ways to guage it's potential value is have a look at what lesser vehicles sell for

[snakebrain]

I imagine that when it's done out of the bodyshop, if I'm lucky it will be worth roughly what it owes me (£4-5k) as although it should be able to be described as mint, it won't be original out of the factory

Sorting out the rusty bits does not make a car mint, or anywhere close to it...

[Chris_B86]

I imagine that when it's done out of the bodyshop, if I'm lucky it will be worth roughly what it owes me (£4-5k) as although it should be able to be described as mint, it won't be original out of the factory

Sorting out the rusty bits does not make a car mint, or anywhere close to it...

Well I guess that depends on the quality of the work I'm having carried out, along with all the other that has been and is being done.

I'll guarantee it'll be a lot better than the £3500 advertised shitters I went to look at before I bought this one.

I'm not being funny, but let's say somebody buys an old E-type that's rusty, and has it fully restored to a high quality, because it isn't factory original, does this make it not mint?

[Andyboy]

As someone once said, a car is only original once. Most cars have bits of paint done over the years due to scrapes etc, but as soon as you start repairing rust, it's merely tidy, clean or whatever.

A properly mint 325i Sport is worth around 10 grand. That's immaculate condition with zero rust, 90% original paint, 1-3 owners, less than 60'000 miles, completely standard, fully stamped book with a wad of invoices, four matching tyres, all the handbooks present along with all those nice details like original dealer fitted number plates and rear screen sticker, working torch, unused spare wheel and toolkit. Basically a car that looks and feels like it's 18 months old.
A car like Beardymatt's that had a high quality documented restoration is worth less but should still find a buyer at 6-7k.

Four grand for that grey one was a steal - that's what the usual tired old shit is worth.

[snakebrain]

I'm not being funny, but let's say somebody buys an old E-type that's rusty, and has it fully restored to a high quality, because it isn't factory original, does this make it not mint?

It would be described as restored. If you can restore yours to the point where a really anal e30 expert is fooled into thinking it's a factory build, then by all means call it mint.

How do the plastics round your cabin feel? Still have that slightly matt feeling or have they been polished smooth by fingertips? What about your underbonnet foam? All your leads in the engine bay exactly where they should be? Realistically, your car is probably £15k away from being truly mint, and that's money you'd never recover on a sale..

[Chris_B86]

As someone once said, a car is only original once. Most cars have bits of paint done over the years due to scrapes etc, but as soon as you start repairing rust, it's merely tidy, clean or whatever.

A properly mint 325i Sport is worth around 10 grand. That's immaculate condition with zero rust, 90% original paint, 1-3 owners, less than 60'000 miles, completely standard, fully stamped book with a wad of invoices, four matching tyres, all the handbooks present along with all those nice details like original dealer fitted number plates and rear screen sticker, working torch, unused spare wheel and toolkit. Basically a car that looks and feels like it's 18 months old.
A car like Beardymatt's that had a high quality documented restoration is worth less but should still find a buyer at 6-7k.

Four grand for that grey one was a steal - that's what the usual tired old shit is worth.

I'm just of the opinion that a car as you describe, would be described as mint AND original. A car that has been restored, can be described as mint, if the paint, body, interior, and all running gear is of no fault

[Chris_B86]

I'm not being funny, but let's say somebody buys an old E-type that's rusty, and has it fully restored to a high quality, because it isn't factory original, does this make it not mint?

It would be described as restored. If you can restore yours to the point where a really anal e30 expert is fooled into thinking it's a factory build, then by all means call it mint.

How do the plastics round your cabin feel? Still have that slightly matt feeling or have they been polished smooth by fingertips? What about your underbonnet foam? All your leads in the engine bay exactly where they should be? Realistically, your car is probably £15k away from being truly mint, and that's money you'd never recover on a sale..

OK I see your point. But this is literally only if you're being properly anal about everything. As I said, I never expect my car to be one of the ones worth 10k plus. But I do fully expect it to be worth best part of £5k, and this is based on some the other nails that I've seen in the 3-4k range. Even when I paid £2400 for mine, it was still in better condition than the higher priced cars I'd seen

[snakebrain]

OK I see your point. But this is literally only if you're being properly anal about everything.

Yep, but that's what mint means.

I'm not having a go at your car btw - it probably is better than most...

[jonb]

As andy pointed out, a sport for 10k would mean mint, sub 60k, history etc etc etc, basically a long long way from all the sports on here. The prices for these cars went up due to the demand from the Irish back in 2003(when they had money). Many normal examples we're going for around the 4k mark and selling, prices have not risen since.

"Restorations" are all well and good but your average 135k sport with new arches and a blow over will never have a great value. The sport will never be a classic like the m3 or a ur quattro, so the prices are not going anywhere north for a very long time.

[Chris_B86]

OK I see your point. But this is literally only if you're being properly anal about everything.

Yep, but that's what mint means.

I'm not having a go at your car btw - it probably is better than most...

Fair point actually. I suppose the word used should possibly be excellent, rather than mint