why would yo run 60/40 suspension?

[liam012]

Is it justt makethe car look "aggresive" - are there any arguments for running a 60/40 setup setup over a 35/35 with 16"s oris it just personal preference for looks?
thanks
liam

[Richy325iTouring]

looks personal prefrence
imafter a 60/60 or 60/40 for mine soon
i just want this one slammed

[liam012]

thought as much
i have found a great value apex kit which is 35 all round - what are peoples thoughts on this kit?
http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/ ... tml?id=529

[Chaos]

Is it justt makethe car look "aggresive" - are there any arguments for running a 60/40 setup setup over a 35/35 with 16"s oris it just personal preference for looks?
thanks
liam

basically when u look at a standard e30 it looks like the nose is higher than the rear due to tyre to arch gaps being more.

summit like a 60/40 setup will make the car look level and imo is the better bet

[kingbreezer]

Don't forget it will most likely fcuk up the handling....

[Jimbob]

Don't forget it will most likely fcuk up the handling....

Could you be ANY more wrong?


Depending on the quality of kit the handling will vary, H&R Cup Kit has been agreed by most that it's one of the top kits out there, before you start to spend mega money on coilover kits (which I believe to pointless unless the car is raced often).

My H&R makes the car handle with precision and turns ever so sharply, makes me feel safe in comparison to my old M-tech kit (roughly 15mm) and against the company cars I drive with standard (cack) suspension.

If you mean ride quality as opposed to handling, then of course that will feel worse because it's all a lot stiffer, but hey - compromises have to be made! This is also effected by tyre size tho, I have 205/40/17 and my ride is harsh as fcuk in comparison to almost an identical car running 215/45/17.

[M5pilot]

thought as much
i have found a great value apex kit which is 35 all round - what are peoples thoughts on this kit?
http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/ ... tml?id=529

Thats not a great price!

You can buy a H&R 35mm Cup kit from the zone shop for Ԛ£270! Much better! Look in the special offers part of the zone shop and there is one set left at this price.

[kingbreezer]

Don't forget it will most likely fcuk up the handling....

Could you be ANY more wrong?


Depending on the quality of kit the handling will vary, H&R Cup Kit has been agreed by most that it's one of the top kits out there, before you start to spend mega money on coilover kits (which I believe to pointless unless the car is raced often).

My H&R makes the car handle with precision and turns ever so sharply, makes me feel safe in comparison to my old M-tech kit (roughly 15mm) and against the company cars I drive with standard (cack) suspension.

If you mean ride quality as opposed to handling, then of course that will feel worse because it's all a lot stiffer, but hey - compromises have to be made! This is also effected by tyre size tho, I have 205/40/17 and my ride is harsh as fcuk in comparison to almost an identical car running 215/45/17.

Sorry, but according to accepted physics if you lower the front and rear different amounts you will upset the balance. I don't know how good standard stuff is though, so I may be wrong. I just know that generally, going stiffer and lower is fine in theory, but it can make it jumpy/edgy and unresponsive on really rough roads.

[massive]

Fcuk the physics.....just drop the beast 60/60...slam!! sorry pic is so BIG!

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[t11mfn]

lmao at massive, mines 60/60 and its a bugger when hitting speed bumps and stuff i wanna get mine lifted prob 60/40 see what that is like.

[massive]

what does Imao mean? I thought about raising the back end, even bought the springs but everyone told me i was mad. Speed bumps aint a problem here thank God

[Chaos]

Fcuk the physics.....just drop the beast 60/60...slam!! sorry pic is so BIG!

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that just looks wrong imo

leave the silly low cars to the vw's that dont handle well.

[massive]

imo???

[Chaos]

imo???

imo = in my opinion.

[massive]

When looking at springs, some manufacturers say that on M3's or MTECH E30's allow for an extra 10-20mm drop...... i couldn't get my head round that as its the springs that determine the drop. opinions??

[Simon13]

e30's dropped 60/60 handle dog rough especially in the wet but if u want slammed looks go for it, 60/40 is superb and 35/35 is great! cos i have that!

The ride on a cup kit is no worse than m-tech or a 35 drop i've been in and driven all 3 and with all cars on 15 or 16 inch wheels and all i could notice was improvements in handling with little loss in ride comfort.

It's 17's which add to harshness imo as Jimbob says

[Jimbob]

Sorry, but according to accepted physics if you lower the front and rear different amounts you will upset the balance. I don't know how good standard stuff is though, so I may be wrong. I just know that generally, going stiffer and lower is fine in theory, but it can make it jumpy/edgy and unresponsive on really rough roads.

Sorry I missed your point, 60/40 will actually even out an E30 as opposed to making the nose lower than the back.

[Zayyan]

what does Imao mean? I thought about raising the back end, even bought the springs but everyone told me i was mad. Speed bumps aint a problem here thank God

It was LMAO, which is "laughing my arse off".

Simon you say "60/40 is superb"; have you had it on your Sport? How does it compare to the current setup?

[M5pilot]

Ive had H&R 35mm Lowering springs just like Simon's and they are brilliant.

Ive currently got the H&R Cup kit and its even better. The handling is just awesome compared to the mtec setup. There are no issues in the rain.

Ive driven 3 cars with the the Cup kit and all were superb.

Adam took me out in his sport which has H&R cup kit in the rain and it was so well balanced.

Enough people have tried the 60/40 lowering route and had excellent results - if it means its breaking the laws of physics then so be it!

[astondg]

Sorry I missed your point, 60/40 will actually even out an E30 as opposed to making the nose lower than the back.

But I don't think the standard E30 is any higher at the front, it just has higher front wheel arch bits so it appears higher. I think it actually sits level. Does anyone have a side on picture of a 60/40 and a standard E30? I think the 60/40 would actually be sloping down at front slightly if you looked at the roof or floor line but appear to be level if you just looked at the wheel arches? I don't know which is better for handling, depends on how good a job the factory did.

I have no idea how what mine is, it is supposed to be 1" (25.4mm) all round but it might not be. Anyway it handles better than the majority of the cars I race against and I think about equal to a modified Honda Integra Type R (latest shape) that I followed through a few corners before it left me behind on the straight. It had coilovers and semi-slicks and a few other mods. Depends on drivers though I guess, but he was definately trying hard because he ran wide and got 2 wheels off the track on the exit of one of the corners. With the same setup mine seems to handle bumps ok too, I race on a dirt circuit as well and it can get bumpy but the car still handles ok. Mine seems fairly balanced, very very faint understeer in the slower corners when on full throttle (but that is probably because of my LSD with higher preload, I can't break traction) and just boardering on oversteer in the fast corners. I was thinking about that H&R kit though, it should be even better.

Aston

[eun]

i disagree that massive's car looks silly

i love it when a car is slammed-it looks awesome

it looks like a right cruiser!

and when any1 ever talks about seeing beemers
the first thing that everyone always notices including
myself is

look how low that is...

[massive]

i disagree that massive's car looks silly

i love it when a car is slammed-it looks awesome

it looks like a right cruiser!

and when any1 ever talks about seeing beemers
the first thing that everyone always notices including
myself is

look how low that is...

Thanks there eun......I quite agree!

[Chaos]

i disagree that massive's car looks silly

i love it when a car is slammed-it looks awesome

it looks like a right cruiser!

and when any1 ever talks about seeing beemers
the first thing that everyone always notices including
myself is

look how low that is...

yes but ppl saying "look how low that is" isnt necesarily a good thing.
i wanna car for driving, not for "cruising" and too low means too bad handling.

[massive]

Handling on mine is amazing, cant fault it.

[Simon13]

i'd put money on it that that white sport is all over the shop in the wet, the back is too low and the springs too hard so when any amount of throttle is applied the back can't dig and grip, so it just lets go. the only companys that make 60mm springs tend to be the likes of G-max, need i say anymore about them?!

Ah i hear u cry cup kit is 60/40, well the rear springs are a bit bigger and are pretty soft on the back, which allows more grip get me?!

I can drive mine pretty quick in the wet compared to before, the H&R stuff is more forgiving for novices when corning as mid corner adjustments don't bite u on the ass like m-tec or standard stuff.

[Karan]

Fcuk the physics.....just drop the beast 60/60...slam!! sorry pic is so BIG!

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that just looks wrong imo

leave the silly low cars to the vw's that dont handle well.

mines as low as that and handles on rails literally now (especially now i actually have matching tyres all round

grip in the wet is very impressive even with 220lb torque

[massive]

i'd put money on it that that white sport is all over the shop in the wet, the back is too low and the springs too hard so when any amount of throttle is applied the back can't dig and grip, so it just lets go. the only companys that make 60mm springs tend to be the likes of G-max, need i say anymore about them?!

Ah i hear u cry cup kit is 60/40, well the rear springs are a bit bigger and are pretty soft on the back, which allows more grip get me?!

I can drive mine pretty quick in the wet compared to before, the H&R stuff is more forgiving for novices when corning as mid corner adjustments don't bite u on the ass like m-tec or standard stuff.

I think its the struts & tyres that play a bigger part in the handling not the springs

[Brian28]

Slight tangent but hopefully still on topic. Simon because you mentioned G max (but also to anybody else out there), do you know what lb/in the G max springs are front and rear? How does this compare to the H&R cup kit lb/in? Or any other lowering spring kits that people have fitted? And how do these compare to the standard BM rate lb/in?

I'm thinking of having some springs made up for my car, it'd be interesting to know what baseline info on spring rates that people are using. (Eg what is it about the H&R cup springs - or any other springs - that makes them better than G max springs? etc etc)

Cheers
Brian

[Brian28]

Anybody? Answers on a postcard please to "The reasons why I'm saying H&R/Spax/whatever springs are better than cr*p G-max springs competition" . Does anybody have any info on actual spring rates.

Cheers
Brian

[jamie325isport]

mmmm i was under the impression that if you lower an E30 to much the half shafts sit at a nasty angle putting
alot of strain on the transmission parts which then in turn knock out bushes, mounts fairly quickly. Mine was 60/60
when i bought it on a set of 18's and it drove like sh*t imo, its now about 10 - 15mm lower than standard sport a handles loads better. One more thing if you do have i slammed and the worst happens i.e hit a kurb even at about 20 mph chances are you will wreck your inner wing as the suspension doesnt have as much give if you get what im saying not that i would put money on the standard set up saving the inner wing. Few people may dissagree with what ive said but most of what i have mention is from my own experience.

[low325icab]

i'd put money on it that that white sport is all over the shop in the wet, the back is too low and the springs too hard so when any amount of throttle is applied the back can't dig and grip, so it just lets go. the only companys that make 60mm springs tend to be the likes of G-max, need i say anymore about them?!

Ah i hear u cry cup kit is 60/40, well the rear springs are a bit bigger and are pretty soft on the back, which allows more grip get me?!

I can drive mine pretty quick in the wet compared to before, the H&R stuff is more forgiving for novices when corning as mid corner adjustments don't bite u on the ass like m-tec or standard stuff.

to be fair though, who actually wants grip in the wet?? lower it 60mm all round get a nice camber on the back wheels, whack on some wani tyres and get drifting! imo

[jamie325isport]

i'd put money on it that that white sport is all over the shop in the wet, the back is too low and the springs too hard so when any amount of throttle is applied the back can't dig and grip, so it just lets go. the only companys that make 60mm springs tend to be the likes of G-max, need i say anymore about them?!

Ah i hear u cry cup kit is 60/40, well the rear springs are a bit bigger and are pretty soft on the back, which allows more grip get me?!

I can drive mine pretty quick in the wet compared to before, the H&R stuff is more forgiving for novices when corning as mid corner adjustments don't bite u on the ass like m-tec or standard stuff.

to be fair though, who actually wants grip in the wet?? lower it 60mm all round get a nice camber on the back wheels, whack on some wani tyres and get drifting! imo

More camber less rubber in contact with the tarmac = less grip, you dont need loads of camber and crap tyres to drift a E30 imo

[eun]

i love camber

[low325icab]

i'd put money on it that that white sport is all over the shop in the wet, the back is too low and the springs too hard so when any amount of throttle is applied the back can't dig and grip, so it just lets go. the only companys that make 60mm springs tend to be the likes of G-max, need i say anymore about them?!

Ah i hear u cry cup kit is 60/40, well the rear springs are a bit bigger and are pretty soft on the back, which allows more grip get me?!

I can drive mine pretty quick in the wet compared to before, the H&R stuff is more forgiving for novices when corning as mid corner adjustments don't bite u on the ass like m-tec or standard stuff.

to be fair though, who actually wants grip in the wet?? lower it 60mm all round get a nice camber on the back wheels, whack on some wani tyres and get drifting! imo

More camber less rubber in contact with the tarmac = less grip, you dont need loads of camber and crap tyres to drift a E30 imo

exactly, less grip! as for tyres it all depends on how you drive, if like me for instants, i drift a hell of a lot and dont see the need to spend Ԛ£150 on one tyre when the good old wani,s are Ԛ£55 and last longer as there harder imo, but if you are sensible and dont do that then you can spend the money and get some Ԛ£Ã”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£ ones and get your moneys worth out of them but tyres are not on my car long enough to get that

[astondg]

to be fair though, who actually wants grip in the wet??

People like me with crap car control! I have enough excitment at dirt circuit racing (especially after the water truck has been out ), I don't want to spend my whole time on a wet road wondering which pole/tree I'll end up in. Which I actually do anyway even though my E30 has good wet grip.

Aston