£xxx for an all in MAF conversion

[hoshy]

How much do most places charge for an all included drive in and drive out same day unichip, map* and MAF conversion?

* that's map not MAP

[E30Adam]

Ԛ£800ish if you source the MAF unit.

[hoshy]

Cheers.

Anybody got any actual quotes from Bexleys or others?

[Jimbob]

That is what Adam's had done, at Bexley's.
Need the unit from an E36 323i iirc.

[E30Adam]

That is what Adam's had done, at Bexley's.
Need the unit from an E36 323i iirc.

That's right and it causes more problems than it's worth if you ask me.

[hoshy]

can you explain adam? I heard that it was a really worthwhile mod.

What problems have you had?

[M5pilot]

Its a fantastic mod, Adam's had a bad experience but then unfortunatley someone does.

There have been loads of MAF conversions done on here and the only complaint people have is the cold start running which is a bit rough. Once its warmed up its brilliant.

Dont expect huge peak power gains, but do expect excellent increases in mid range torque and BHP gians through the rev range.

The only other option is to go stand alone management and the only one I would recommend for al round value for money is the emerald.

Bexleys do a MBE standalone kit but its alot of money. The main advantage is it almost like plug and play with their excellent wiring loom. Basically you can remove the system within minuites and go back to standard if you sell the car.

[E30Adam]

For the high costs it's not worth doing IMO. I can think of better ways of spending Ԛ£800 on your car. The throttle response is awesome but it's problems outweigh the gains.

[Turbo-Brown]

Don't forget that for about Ԛ£800, you could do a full baby emerald conversion

[Ant]

and a full MsnS-E setup for about half that again

Sorry, could not resist

[hoshy]

and a full MsnS-E setup for about half that again

Sorry, could not resist

but MS doesn't do MAF does it?

[hoshy]

I'm gonna do mine anyway but I can get it on the cheap. My idea was to see what the market value was and try to arrange a source of suitable mass meters and then see if a deal can be worked out with the man who has rolling road etc to offer the zone an all in MAF conversion w/ unichip and mapping for a decent price.

Anyway it's just pipe dream atm but the wheels are turning on it.

[E30Adam]

I'm gonna do mine anyway but I can get it on the cheap. My idea was to see what the market value was and try to arrange a source of suitable mass meters and then see if a deal can be worked out with the man who has rolling road etc to offer the zone an all in MAF conversion w/ unichip and mapping for a decent price.

Anyway it's just pipe dream atm but the wheels are turning on it.

Who do you have in mind to map the unichip?

[hoshy]

either my father himself or just get him to let me loose. I've help map one before and as long as the cooling is taken care of it's very easy.

[Karan]

MAF conversion is very good and throttle response is lovely.


although u have to ask ureself whther Ԛ£800 is worthwhile when u could get standalone cheaper.......

thats my thought

cold running is an issue.... but cols starting NEVER is car is a bit jerky for about 1 mile than it is fine......personally i can live with thta and it only really does it on colder days... and only ever in the mornings really... as if i drove ot later on in the day it wont do it cos it wll have remained warm from earlier driving...

for me.... unlike adam, the throttle response more than makes up for it... as every time i drive a non-MAF e30 i do not like it at all, as it affects my heel-toeing and everything so u have to readjust and do things earlier than with MAF

Karan

[hoshy]

although u have to ask ureself whther Ԛ£800 is worthwhile when u could get standalone cheaper.......
Karan

That's just it.. I'm wondering what sort of price it could be offered for.

[UweM3]

although u have to ask ureself whther Ԛ£800 is worthwhile when u could get standalone cheaper.......
Karan

That's just it.. I'm wondering what sort of price it could be offered for.

There is still the Alpha-N MAXX kit. I have posted this in an other thread already. 760 EURO plus VAT@16%
No additional parts to buy. It will run on your standard throttle or any other throllte setup. No MAF, no AFM and very easy to tune in YOURSELF.

If any of you are going to Gaydon, please come and see me. I will pop the bonnet and show you the programm on the laptop if you want to see it.

I was looking for a long time to find for a system to delete my AFM and almost went with EMERALD (which I think is the best value for money AND a good system).
In the end I am happy to have choosen the piggy back route. From my point of view this what one at home in his garage is able to handle without to much hassle. The thought of making an wiring harness and all the related issues (I sm using my car for holiday trips --> Nuerburgring did never really appeal to me. Now I can just pop in to any BMW dealer or BOSCH Agent to get spares. And the AA bloke will not be frightened as well.

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... light=maxx

Darylzimm3 has got one as well. I am sure he is very happy with it.
http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... light=maxx

[e30_Turbo]

and a full MsnS-E setup for about half that again

Sorry, could not resist

but MS doesn't do MAF does it?

No need for a MAF mate, runs a MAP sensor, TPS and Lambda, so no restrictrictions in the intake at all!!

(I couldn't resist either )

[UweM3]

As much as I like the Megasquirt, but it's by no means a plug'n'play solution. You can't beat it for cost, but the time involved to get it up and running is a major drawback for ME.
I am not saying it can't be done, but from my point of view it requires skills in different areas.
The MAXX can be set up from someone who knows how a combustion engine works. No electronic or programming skills needed.
The thought of editing *.ini files frightens me.

The MAXX software is like turning screws on a carburator. Press + for more, press - for less. Just more precises as you can exactly tune every single loadsite (as of course any other EMM available these days)

BTW can the MS not run in Alpha-N mode as well???

[hoshy]

Hmm, the MAXX sounds very interesting. Will be looking out for that on the web as soon as I'm off client site!

Ant... Piss off
only joking mate. MS w/ the ignition bored sounds like a good solution and I like the higher resolution mapping you can do with it. Can you gives me a rough cost break down of that would be a direct comparision to:

Unichip dealer install and map on RR with MAF

All "all in" if I were to go and have it done sort of thing. Personally, I'd do it myself but for the purposes of this I'm trying to make sellable "product" if you see what I mean mate.

[rowemeister]

I sent an email yesterday to Bexley asking for the part number needed for the e36 323i MAF.

Here is their reply. (I wont tell you who Darth is. lol)



Hi Brent,

Just been speaking to Darth, said you might drop us a mail.

The unit you need is a Siemens 5WK9 600, BMW part number is 13 62 1 703 275.

Unichip is Ԛ£500 + VAT supplied and mapped, to fit the MAF and wire it in you're looking around Ԛ£60 + VAT including the connectors, wiring etc...

Hope this helps

Regards
Jags

[hoshy]

I sent an email yesterday to Bexley asking for the part number needed for the e36 323i MAF.

Here is their reply. (I wont tell you who Darth is. lol)



Hi Brent,

Just been speaking to Darth, said you might drop us a mail.

The unit you need is a Siemens 5WK9 600, BMW part number is 13 62 1 703 275.

Unichip is Ԛ£500 + VAT supplied and mapped, to fit the MAF and wire it in you're looking around Ԛ£60 + VAT including the connectors, wiring etc...

Hope this helps

Regards
Jags

Nice one!

I make that 708inc VAT if you include 50 for a self sourced MAF. Unless I've missed something?

[rowemeister]

Sounds about right mate

[e30_Turbo]

Ԛ£708

Thats a lot of cash for small gains......for the extra Ԛ£300 you can have emerald and full control of the engine.... plus the added bonus of having the legendary Dave walker tune it up......

Have you considered the M30 AFM swap? You still have the flap, but the bore is much bigger and it can be setup right using a adj fuel reg and some playing about, def a cheaper way to get more air in

(check ebay for second unichips too, some cheap units on there )

[hoshy]

Ԛ£708

Thats a lot of cash for small gains......for the extra Ԛ£300 you can have emerald and full control of the engine.... plus the added bonus of having the legendary Dave walker tune it up......

Have you considered the M30 AFM swap? You still have the flap, but the bore is much bigger and it can be setup right using a adj fuel reg and some playing about, def a cheaper way to get more air in

(check ebay for second unichips too, some cheap units on there )

Have you read the thread properly Mr FozzyMonster???

I'm not on about me personally, I'm seeing if I can put together an all in deal for a half decent price. I reckon I/we need to come up with a document listing prices, pros and cons of all the differnet (at least common) mods to intake/management.

I'm sure there's takers for say unichip maf conversion all in for under say, 600squids. but maybe there's a better solution that can be offered. really I'm trying to offer the zone a good deal whilst getting some tuning work through the door for my pa. I know he also supplies and fits omex full replacement but I've not seen one of these or heard anything about then... just another option.

[e30_Turbo]

Ԛ£708

Thats a lot of cash for small gains......for the extra Ԛ£300 you can have emerald and full control of the engine.... plus the added bonus of having the legendary Dave walker tune it up......

Have you considered the M30 AFM swap? You still have the flap, but the bore is much bigger and it can be setup right using a adj fuel reg and some playing about, def a cheaper way to get more air in

(check ebay for second unichips too, some cheap units on there )

Have you read the thread properly Mr FozzyMonster???

I'm not on about me personally, I'm seeing if I can put together an all in deal for a half decent price. I reckon I/we need to come up with a document listing prices, pros and cons of all the differnet (at least common) mods to intake/management.

I'm sure there's takers for say unichip maf conversion all in for under say, 600squids. but maybe there's a better solution that can be offered. really I'm trying to offer the zone a good deal whilst getting some tuning work through the door for my pa. I know he also supplies and fits omex full replacement but I've not seen one of these or heard anything about then... just another option.

I see where you comng from, but in todays market the unichip and MAF conversion doesn't seem to be the best option out there IMO

For the money you can have more control and better returns.

I do agree that for N/A lumps the unichip & maf would be a good plan as you can tune it everytime you add a mod and ensure you get the most out of your lump.

If this can be done for the money your talking about them I'm sure you'll acheive what you are aiming for

You just need a good supply of MAF's and I know you have the unichip side sorted already.

It all depends on what results are aimed for, from what karan said it is worth the money if you can live with the start up issues.

I'm so looking forward to the instant throttle response I'll get with the map sensor, I bet the MAF gives the same.

My apologies if I was hanging onto the wrong end of the stick

[hoshy]

Ԛ£708

Thats a lot of cash for small gains......for the extra Ԛ£300 you can have emerald and full control of the engine.... plus the added bonus of having the legendary Dave walker tune it up......

Have you considered the M30 AFM swap? You still have the flap, but the bore is much bigger and it can be setup right using a adj fuel reg and some playing about, def a cheaper way to get more air in

(check ebay for second unichips too, some cheap units on there )

Have you read the thread properly Mr FozzyMonster???

I'm not on about me personally, I'm seeing if I can put together an all in deal for a half decent price. I reckon I/we need to come up with a document listing prices, pros and cons of all the differnet (at least common) mods to intake/management.

I'm sure there's takers for say unichip maf conversion all in for under say, 600squids. but maybe there's a better solution that can be offered. really I'm trying to offer the zone a good deal whilst getting some tuning work through the door for my pa. I know he also supplies and fits omex full replacement but I've not seen one of these or heard anything about then... just another option.

I see where you comng from, but in todays market the unichip and MAF conversion doesn't seem to be the best option out there IMO

For the money you can have more control and better returns.

I do agree that for N/A lumps the unichip & maf would be a good plan as you can tune it everytime you add a mod and ensure you get the most out of your lump.

If this can be done for the money your talking about them I'm sure you'll acheive what you are aiming for

You just need a good supply of MAF's and I know you have the unichip side sorted already.

It all depends on what results are aimed for, from what karan said it is worth the money if you can live with the start up issues.

I'm so looking forward to the instant throttle response I'll get with the map sensor, I bet the MAF gives the same.

My apologies if I was hanging onto the wrong end of the stick

No apologies needed mate!

I reckon there's a good little market for this at the right price. I completly agree that there are even better ways. restrictionless with one of the various standalone systems but the way I see it is like this:

market price = 700ish for uni/maf
market price standalone maf, map or whatever = 1000/1200
my price for uni/maf = about 600.

And I've not yet looked in to the possiblilties of the other unichip types they do. I'm sure there are variation that can run map/tps/lamba - it's just that the one for BMW/Motronic is a simple conversion for MAF.

Soooo many possiblilities I hardly know where to begin

The supply of MAFs would be one of the biggest issues but I'd bet that there's more than one type that would be suitable. Don't know if anybody can confirm ???

[Turbo-Brown]

Well the MAF sensors are only about Ԛ£250 from the dealers so it must be possible to get them 2nd hand for a decent price!

[hoshy]

Well the MAF sensors are only about Ԛ£250 from the dealers so it must be possible to get them 2nd hand for a decent price!

That's what I'm hoping. Buying them new would ruin the price range I@m looking for but getting hold of a resonable stock second hand (so we have a few for replacements if needs be) would be ideal.

[e30_Turbo]

Well the MAF sensors are only about Ԛ£250 from the dealers so it must be possible to get them 2nd hand for a decent price!

That's what I'm hoping. Buying them new would ruin the price range I@m looking for but getting hold of a resonable stock second hand (so we have a few for replacements if needs be) would be ideal.

Try Quarry motors and FAB, they break 'e' numbers all day long so I expect they will have a few.

When I asked before I'm pretty sure they were after about Ԛ£100 a unit.

And with using the unichip I'm sure you could map it to work with any MAF really, would they not all do the same thing? just have diff values?

[hoshy]

Well the MAF sensors are only about Ԛ£250 from the dealers so it must be possible to get them 2nd hand for a decent price!

That's what I'm hoping. Buying them new would ruin the price range I@m looking for but getting hold of a resonable stock second hand (so we have a few for replacements if needs be) would be ideal.

Try Quarry motors and FAB, they break 'e' numbers all day long so I expect they will have a few.

When I asked before I'm pretty sure they were after about Ԛ£100 a unit.

And with using the unichip I'm sure you could map it to work with any MAF really, would they not all do the same thing? just have diff values?

Hopefully we can either source cheaper ones of get a discount on bulk order.

I reckon the unichip will accept the signal from pretty much anything. Pipe diameters is another point to consider too.

[ste]

My MAF unit cost me about Ԛ£15 from a breakers (you don't need a new one, a 2nd hand one will do as there's nothing in it to break). A 2nd hand Unichip is easily found on eBay for Ԛ£100.

Bexleys charged me Ԛ£200 for mapping.

So, Ԛ£315 is all you really need to spend. It's worth it for the throttle response alone as Karan says.

[UweM3]

My MAF unit cost me about Ԛ£15 from a breakers (you don't need a new one, a 2nd hand one will do as there's nothing in it to break). A 2nd hand Unichip is easily found on eBay for Ԛ£100.

Bexleys charged me Ԛ£200 for mapping.

So, Ԛ£315 is all you really need to spend. It's worth it for the throttle response alone as Karan says.

And if you are going to change anything on the hardware side you need to spend Ԛ£200 for mapping again??

Even if a MAF is the better solution compared to a AFM, NOTHING in the intake tract is even better

[ste]

No, as your car will already have a very close map - they won't be mapping from scratch.

[hoshy]

yeah you don't have to remap every time you make a change. just like the standard ecu.

ste, yeah that's about the money I'm looking to spend on mine personally... minus the mapping cost

I'm trying to put together a deal for the people who don't wanna do it themselves.

We also think that unichip can do restrictionless. gonna have a word with the reseller.