Drifting-Donuts--What techiques?

[SwirlyE30]

Right.Now that ive got the new engine in and running ive had a bit of a play but nothing major but felt like some advice.

The IS with sport LSD is pretty nice, little sluggish to drift it in like second round a slow corner, you really cant do it. So i was wondering what techniques guys prefered for drifting and donuting.

Im gonna calm it down a bit on the roads as i was on the way home from work the other night and lost it in the wet, not too bad, but bad enough to mount the curb and hit someones fence (need a new front valance, GAY ) So i think im just gonna keep it to late nights, off road etc.


Now, i manage to dunot this now in first in the dry but i really dont like keeping it for too long because youve gota change gear, but i cant see second spinning up tbh.


Whats peoples best advice/techniques for drifting,donuting, burning out in the dry. Do you slip the clutch etc.

Btw im in an IS, so its a little bit harder than anyone in a 2.5 or somthing ;) lol

[Karan]

ok.... forst things uve got a rev limiter so dont be afraid to bounce off it.... my car doesnt actually have one so i have to keep an eye on it the whole time during cock action like doughnuts...

while standing still, i dump the clucth enough to spin the wheels and then slowly put my left foot on the brake gentky to stop the car rolling forwards....voila 'burnout' keep ure foot in and slowly release pressure on brake with foot still on throttle and turn and u will do a nice slow doughnut.... i dunno if an iS would pull this off in the dry as u may have too much grip... but in the wet it easily would


oh and for drifting in corners there are 2 main techniques that i reckon wouldm be best used in the iS... for example in a 2nd gr rounfabout.... enter fairly slowly and floor the throttle and at the same time dip the clutch and then release it jerking the rear... the arse will swing out...hold it at ure leisure....
another good thing with the iS would be to use the handbrake on entering the turn....dip the clutch and yank the handbrake then floor it!!!
Karan

[Dan318-is]

haha karan you nutter!

thanks for that, mite try it in the golf

[hoshy]

first of all congrats dude!!!

there's a stevenage meet coming up soon so that would be a good place to get some tuition.

I don't have an lsd unfortunately so I have to either clutch kick or use cross between intertia and power.

clutch kick is *easy* just come up to a corner turn in, push clutch in, stand on the gas to let the revs build up to at least 4k (at least in the power band) then just rip the clutch up and start to counter steer.

the other method I use is a bit dangerous cos you need to be going faster and is you understeer you're f00ked. (you can sometimes rescue with a clutch kick or handbrake). come up to a corner with a resonable pace. flick the wheel away from the corner then sharply back to it, stand on the gas and hope you oversteer not understeer - get some good front-end grip!

the real key is quick steering work. I suggest you download the drift bible. I have server with it on at http://zone.hoshy.co.uk

This is how I try to drift anyway. it's pretty tough with an m40 and an open diff but I do get some success in the right corner, roundabout and usually only in the wet unless I'm *really* determind!

Hope that helps mate.

[hoshy]

another good thing with the iS would be to use the handbrake on entering the turn....dip the clutch and yank the handbrake then floor it!!!
Karan

HANDBRAKE... HANDBRAKE!!! Are FWD here or what

[Karan]

another good thing with the iS would be to use the handbrake on entering the turn....dip the clutch and yank the handbrake then floor it!!!
Karan

HANDBRAKE... HANDBRAKE!!! Are FWD here or what

i know it sounds gay but it works.......its a good way to kick tha arse out and get good entry anglle without risking left right flicks in tighter areas

[Stevin]

One of my favorite techniques for drifting... approach corner at speed. Clutch in, Downshift, while still going pretty quickly, release clutch and gas it, when u realease the clutch u should get transmission lock, and if there is any angle on ur steerin wheel it will whip the back end out, then u gas it too maintain the angle, and counter steer, to keep the angle.

I think the Japs call it dump clutch...not sure.

Also on slippery roads, u just turn into the bend, and start gassing it, making the back step out, and then holding it is pretty easy.

[Kam320i_cab]

me and karan have the same drift techniques, the drift bible helps if u watch it too!

now that i have a sierra rs cosworth i can use that and it will be easier and better to drift than my old cab, which i could only drift properly int the wet

i suggest when it rains go to a car park and practise, put it in 1st gear and drive in to a full lock then as the car is in lock to one side floor the revs and change to 2nd , dump the clutch then it will spin out, do that a few times so u can see where the breaking slide point is and apply opposite lock

[Stevin]

I can't find the drift bible

[SwirlyE30]

Cheers guys.


Yeh ive seent he drift bible, its wicked.

Thanks for the tips. I do a fair bit of in the wet drifting, nothing major like completly round a roundabout but fairly wide sweeping corners etc, and as i said ive been doing some dunots now that shes up and running. But i dont wanna end up blowing it up!

My dunot technique seems to be the same as everyones then, rev it, dunp the clutch so your spinning then turn in and just go from there, not really too hard i guess!

Havnt tried drifting in 2nd whilt slipping the clutch karan, ill have to practice one night mate! ;)

[astondg]

One of my favorite techniques for drifting... approach corner at speed. Clutch in, Downshift, while still going pretty quickly, release clutch and gas it, when u realease the clutch u should get transmission lock, and if there is any angle on ur steerin wheel it will whip the back end out, then u gas it too maintain the angle, and counter steer, to keep the angle.

I think the Japs call it dump clutch...not sure.

Works but it really kills your transmission. I have a friend who went through 2 or 3 transmissions that way (and probably a few clutch dumps and kicks too) in a couple of years.

Aston

[hoshy]

in france I complete my first ever complete revolution of a roundabout just last month. amazing fun. it should be *easy* with a slip diff!

dude who can't find the drift bible. it's on http://zone.hoshy.co.uk/1.Tsuchiya%20Ke ... 0Bible.avi

[SwirlyE30]

lol, well hopefully mate! The is can be a bit boggy low down, and ive never tried drifting using the clutch slipping way, so ill have to try.


Whats the best way to aproach the roundabout, come in tight to the inside at a reasonable speed in second, then slip the clutch?

[Karan]

lol, well hopefully mate! The is can be a bit boggy low down, and ive never tried drifting using the clutch slipping way, so ill have to try.


Whats the best way to aproach the roundabout, come in tight to the inside at a reasonable speed in second, then slip the clutch?

i took the liberty of drawing u a pic of line i use on something like a roundabout, cos i waws really bored....

[Rearwheel_nick]

clutch kick is handy, shiftlock is a drive train killer though do that in the wet or you'll soon be monching up your drivetain parts at an alarming rate,

pump your rear tyres up to, and get some tyres stretched onto them makes it all much easier when going sideways,

and if you are mounting kerbs and hitting fences i suggest going to a practice day first

scandavian flick is the nice one though i'm not particularily good at this but its much better clutch kick as i said is handy but its quite sort of i dont know the word...it lacks subtlety i think

[Karan]

clutch kick is handy, shiftlock is a drive train killer though do that in the wet or you'll soon be monching up your drivetain parts at an alarming rate,

pump your rear tyres up to, and get some tyres stretched onto them makes it all much easier when going sideways,

and if you are mounting kerbs and hitting fences i suggest going to a practice day first

scandavian flick is the nice one though i'm not particularily good at this but its much better clutch kick as i said is handy but its quite sort of i dont know the word...it lacks subtlety i think

yeh it lacks 'style' i guess but it gets the job done.... ure gonna have to be clutch kicking on the road as u cnat excatly be flicking it all over the show on the public roads....

[Adammcf]

LOL! I kicked the clutch one night on a back road mission and ran out of opposite lock. After sliding towards the hedge and clipping the front bumper the car came back round and off I went. lol I thought for a second it was game over though.
That night I learned to keep it to wide roads!

[6potWil6pot]

Im surprized no ones talked about how to correct the steering lock. I found i had to let go of the wheel to let it self centre (in the E30), then apply the opposite lock. Until i learnt that i lost it a fair few times and ended up facing the middle of the roundabout!

Handbrake drifting fwd wrongness is good fun in the Puma btw

[astondg]

Im surprized no ones talked about how to correct the steering lock. I found i had to let go of the wheel to let it self centre (in the E30), then apply the opposite lock.

At one particularly slipery Autocross event (dirt circuit racing) I found myself doing this. I hadn't even thought about it, I just came sideways out of one corner and realised that I'd just let go of the steering wheel for a bit. I was actually angry with myself after because I thought it wasn't such a great thing to let go of the steering wheel (when I say let go I mean I had my hands around it but they were barely touching it or maybe not at all and it spun through my hands) incase I needed to control it over bumps and things or change my line. It worked though and got the opposite lock on a lot quicker.

Aston

[Rearwheel_nick]

yeah and if you have people in the car it makes you look much better because there is no gay arm flailing ...remeber people its all about image and style haha

[mrLEE30]

allowing the wheel to spin freely is a very good technique, and is used by most stuntdrivers (according to discovery channel) thay had some great in car shots when they filmed Ronin of a driver in the five series on shots the did not use in the film, he approaches a 90 degree right hand bend, shifts down, and gets the car sideways coming into the bend thus he first turned the wheel left to control the slide then as he appliued power he let go of the wheel and it just spun in his hands till he stopped it on opposite lock to control the oversteer slide!

was a beauty! watch Ronin on DVD get yer reomte out and watch in slow mo, you will learn a lot!

another technique not mentioned is a technique used mainly bt rally drivers approaching slower tight bends, they will actually steer away from the bend as they approach to unsettle the car then turn into the bend thus the back end steps out at the right point and is more controlable.

mrlee

[astondg]

another technique not mentioned is a technique used mainly bt rally drivers approaching slower tight bends, they will actually steer away from the bend as they approach to unsettle the car then turn into the bend thus the back end steps out at the right point and is more controlable.

Actually it was

scandavian flick is the nice one

It is a good technique though, easier on the car and flows better than some of the others. Needs a bit of road though and probably more chance to loose it and end up in another lane or something.

Aston

[keggy]

how come the drift bible just comes up as sound and no video??

[Stevin]

One of my favorite techniques for drifting... approach corner at speed. Clutch in, Downshift, while still going pretty quickly, release clutch and gas it, when u realease the clutch u should get transmission lock, and if there is any angle on ur steerin wheel it will whip the back end out, then u gas it too maintain the angle, and counter steer, to keep the angle.

I think the Japs call it dump clutch...not sure.

Works but it really kills your transmission. I have a friend who went through 2 or 3 transmissions that way (and probably a few clutch dumps and kicks too) in a couple of years.

Aston

I guess I'm lucky, cause I've never broken anything, touch wood. I've been doing it for about 100 000km

Yeah, I actually release the steering wheel when turning into opposite lock, but sometimes u can get a bit quick and actually kill the drift.

I learn't to drift on a skidopan... that was great fun, cause u can sit there with the ass out all day, looking like a pro, but in reality it's really quite easy on there, just accelarate while turning, and the back end peels away quite predictably

Thanks to the guy that provided the link for Drift Bible

[astondg]

how come the drift bible just comes up as sound and no video??

Have you got the right codec? I think it is DivX but I might be wrong. I think I also had this problem when I tried to play it with Windows Media Player but when I used VLC media player it worked fine. Maybe try a few different ones?

I learn't to drift on a skidopan... that was great fun, cause u can sit there with the ass out all day, looking like a pro, but in reality it's really quite easy on there, just accelarate while turning, and the back end peels away quite predictably

Yeah skidpans are fun. I have only been on one once but with the water and diesel you can slide around heaps at really low speeds, it's great.

Aston

[REEDY]

Hello mate,
i find that you dont need alot of revs after gettin asre out, but that is with the 2.5 lump, plenty of torque there to keep the wheels turning! But plenty of revs and limiter allways sounds good? I usually feather the throttle and keeping the wheels next to still, sometimes when i`m lucky i can hold the revs and steering at 1 point and let the momentum take me round!
Ive definately got the drifting bug, just put the S 3.91 diff in mine, loads more responsive up in 3rd 4th and 5th!
Just in the process of gettin my confidence up to do 3rd gear drifts at higher speeds!
this is my little feture a mate done for me cause i had a bit of a reputation at cruises!
http://www.turbo-babes.co.uk/images/faz ... edybmw.wmv

[E30BeemerLad]

That's good work Reedy

[Stevin]

how come the drift bible just comes up as sound and no video??

Well I got video and no sound

[hoshy]

those who haven't got sound install this

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ac3f ... e?download

[Dee]

If you really want to learn more about donuts burns outs and even the art of drifting, Pop along this sunday to northampton raceway for RD4 of the Euro-drift. Its about 15mins from Santa pod for more information on there droft practice days go to www.driftuk.co.uk and keep an eye out for practice days and events