So called over priced Sports

[Geeman]

Getting a little bit annoyed now.

325i Sport's are a sought after variation of the E30 model, as are M3's and so they command a higher premium over the other models. There's no getting away from the fact that they are more desirable to most people than a 'normal' 4-door 325i.

Granted, you can buy a normal 325i, or even an SE, and spend some money on it to bring it up to the 'original' spec of a Sport. You'd have to spend some serious cash to do so if you want EVERYTHING a Sport came with, and it still won't be a true Sport though.

So let's stop bad mouthing Sports and their owners for the sake of a personal gripe. I don't take offence easily and I'm usually pretty easy going, but the continual moaning about 'over-priced' Sports that are chav-mobiles is really beginning to get on me.

As a 'previous' Sport owner (chrome bumper'd wrongess and an Mtec 2) I can see the merits of owning one over some of the other E30's I've had in my time. I've also had 4-pot wrongness, and still have got one.

Everyone is different and appreciates different things. Let's just drop this now.

Rant over.

You can reply to this if you wish, but it was more of a statement than a thread topic.

Giles.

[zaust]

so does that mean after total re shell and i do mean total.
change of log book and reg ing it with bmw its still not a sport??

[Geeman]

You're not getting what I'm saying.

Yours is a Sport, and always will be, just like Sal's Alpina was still an Alpina after the re-shell...

[Splondike]

Amen to that Giles - been pissing me right off for a while now this has...

Sport bashers

They can kiss my

[Demlotcrew]

sports are shit!

[Geeman]

Thanks for that really useful input. Great.

[Demlotcrew]

Listen Mr Geeman!

Are you telling me i would have to spend more than the cost of a mint sport to make a 325i the same spec? I think not!!!!

I would much rather have a mint shell of a 325i (sport spec) with no weight saving rust holes i can stick my head through than a 325i sport which costs Ԛ£3k and still needs lots of work.

A

[Splondike]

sports are sh*t!

[Geeman]

I give up.

I'll go drive my real 318iS now...

[Splondike]

Most people seem to want to knock them for some reason.... jealousy ? - although they would never own up to that...

They are toilet that's why lots of people want them, people are prepared to pay a premium for a good one, and those that have them love them....

Must all be mad I guess.

I wanted one and I got one, don't really give a fuk what people think of them, and if some thing that putting all the bits on a standard car makes it the same then fair enough...

Just a bit fed up with the constant sports are crap / waste of money etc...

[Davenotouring]

Simon13 and I were having a chat about this the other day....

Saying basically what Giles said above, that you can buy a 325i (SE/Basic) and add all the Sport bits...like Kit, Suspension, Opening Quarters, Tech II wheel, LSD, Headlining, etc

But buy the time you've done that, I think you will have spend what it'd cost to buy a Sport, and it won't be genuine.

I love most E30s, I love the look of the Sports due to their stance and the kit and all the other extras they come with.

There is a little light-hearted banter about Sports being overpriced from some directions, and some people who actually get worked-up about the situation, which I don't understand.

The Sport was one of the top models in the E30 range, and in my opinion one of the best.

They are worth whatever people will pay for them, and as we have seen recently, and in the past, they do seem to command top whack on the E30 scale (bar the M3/Motorsport cab).

Anyway, the touring is the best E30 going.

[Splondike]

Anyway, the touring is the best E30 going.

Nice one Dave - well put

[Geeman]

I deleted my last post as I didn't want to get into an arguement about it.

Basically, you cannot get a standard 325 and make it as good as a Sport for less money. There's just no way.

Shopping list:

MINT standard 325i - Ԛ£1500 tops... for a mint one of course.

Gearbox - Ԛ£150
Diff - Ԛ£250
Shocks and Springs - Ԛ£250
15" BBS's - Ԛ£150
Bodykit - Ԛ£400
Fitting and spraying kit - Ԛ£300
Sports interior - not leather to keep the cost down of course - Ԛ£200
Steering wheel - Ԛ£50
Map light mirror - Ԛ£40
Headlining - Ԛ£40

Total: Ԛ£3330

Bugger me, that's more than I sold my Sport for.

And this wouldn't be worth more than Ԛ£2500 TOPS as it's NOT A SPORT!

[JonnyDrift]

A cars worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.Sports are pricey but i see them as an investment-i think the value of them will get even higher in the next few years.

[c76jon]

this topic does my head in too

its pretty simple really.
IF sports are overpriced and a waste of money in comparison to a 325iSE with all the sports bits bolted/bodged on

then can someone please explain to me when a really mint sport comes up for sale and i mean a PROPER car are there queues to buy them

surely the price of these cars are determined by market forces
if they werent worth it in the eyes of the prospective owner then they wouldnt fetch their money ???????

you cant make a sport..........period

why because it will never be one
not a real one .

you can make a 325i se with all the bits bolted on but it isnt a sport

there are very few truly mint e30s out there
even fewer sports

splondikes car is mint, a proper car
this if ever sold will make top sport money for sure

but even if it was a 325i with all the bits stuck on he would even say it wouldnt fetch the same money even if it was in the same outstanding condition as his sport is

why is that then

really simple.......................cuz it wouldnt be a sport

and while there are people out there that want the real thing and are willing to pay then they will always fetch a premium

john

[zaust]

I have never paid over a grand for a sport tech 1 or 2 always been nice condition. always sold them for more but not much more.
some people like chukking money into cars for no reason and thats pushing the cost up a bit.
and andrew how much you pay for yours.. same thing different lump..

[frosted]

totally agree.

im going to rant and im sorry it no one likes it.



tough!

sports are worth decent money becuase they are

* verging on classic status
* sought after
* standard spec is ace

a 325i with mods it not worth the mods becuase it has been ripped apart. worth less. in my eyes i would much rather pay 3.5k for a decent sport that has had the bit out of the FACTORY on the car from day 1 (barring repalcments and mech fuc*ups.

people saying that a 320i is worth 2k if its mint.
or a very clean 316i (used to have one) can be worth 1500 if its very good.


absolute sh*te. people need to remember that to a ENTHUSIAST maybe but on the open market thay are woth bugger all. they are outdated, the oldest readily avalible model. there are 2 models above it. they are worth sod all.

i mean you can buy decent e36 325i 4d for 2-3k so why on earth so you expect a 325i 4d e30 or coupe to be worth bloody thousands.

i am willing to pay the money for a sport becase i have been in love with them for the last 5 years. im into old school cool . and becuase its something diffent.

right ill try and make a valid point in a min

bottom line. a sport is standard. a modded 325i with bits is not.

AND. i would rather have a car that has not been modded up. and would rather not have the hassle of putting the bits on.

the one thing geeman has missed is either the time cost. or the labour if you got a garage to do it all.

right.

frosted waits to get nuked

[Davenotouring]

I have never paid over a grand for a sport tech 1 or 2 always been nice condition. always sold them for more but not much more.

You have paid less than a grand for a decent TechII sport? That is a bargain Marc!

Find me ten priced at under 1000 and I'll buy them all and sell them on eBay for 3k+

[frosted]

[c76jon]

i also think that it is very important to take into account peoples understanding of the words "nice condition" "mint" etc

cuz one mans idea of "mint" is certainly not anothers

what one man is willing to accept another certainly wouldnt

its hard to reach a benchmark really

but something i do know is that there are far far far more so called "mint" cars out there that are no where near mint than there are truly good condition,well maintained mint cars

i know cuz ive looked at most of them!???!

[zaust]

what do you think i do with em???
when you see one driving round sop em and ask.
you wave a few hundred in front of a few people and some one bites..
its not an every day thing but im now looking in the rest of europe.
gona try and bring over some converts.. already got 1 baur on the way from italy.. will cost me 6-7 + english reg. mot and then e-bay!!
look out for it next month..

[A1BMW325iSport]

total cost of my 325 will be just over 1200quid,

full sport replica,

only thing thats not sport is on the log book its says 325i

[Simon]

total cost of my 325 will be just over 1200quid,

full sport replica,

only thing thats not sport is on the log book its says 325i

+ how many hours work on top?

[Davenotouring]

total cost of my 325 will be just over 1200quid,

full sport replica,

only thing thats not sport is on the log book its says 325i

You've done that cheaply, and have a decent car for good money in that case, but it still isn't a genuine Sport, which is the point we are making. Lets see some pictures! (off topic)

I'm not saying that Sports have a godly glow around them, simply that they are rare and command a higher price for a reason.

[frosted]

yeah totally.

Northing wrong with a 325i modded up.

but then its kinda like buying a proper fake rolex.

looks identical

weighs the same

does everything the sam

even the sam materials.

noone would ever know.

still not a rolex

[M5pilot]

Oh dear, looks like my comments towards the chav chariots have not been appreciated.

In all honesty I am sorry I have offended you sport owners.

I undertstand that Sport are worth more and are more sought after.

The point I was trying to get accross was that an SE is not worth nothing if a Sport is Ԛ£4000. Thats what I was trying to get accross.

Its basically comments like..its an SE, its worth Ԛ£500 no matter what the condition forced me into saying that sports are therefore overpriced.

Anyway, As I have said before, I would byu a sport if it was rust free and I would probably pay good money for it.........if it had a 2.7 to start with.

As mentioned many times, if its a nice straight looking car with a nice setof wheels (no replica alpina wrongness) then I would be well up for it.

Infact, Im currently planning on finding a 325i Sport in excellent condition in Dolphin grey. Doing a 5 stud conversion and fitting a set of negaro silver 16" BBS's. To me that can never look chav which goes for 325i sports on a nice set of BBS's.

I'm actually really happy that sports DO SELL for Ԛ£4000 ++ but I just dont agree with the fact that Tourings, SE's etc are worth nothing.

[A1BMW325iSport]

got loads to do yet, i know i will have a damn fine e30 when finished as i`ve completely rebuilt it.
its part of the fun for me.
i`ve used two 325i`s to make a good one, and checked and replaced parts where needed, its been built from shell up.

[Davenotouring]

I'm actually really happy that sports DO SELL for Ԛ£4000 ++ but I just dont agree with the fact that Tourings, SE's etc are worth nothing.

I don't think this is the case though, a few dogs of 325i tourings/SEs are worth 500 quid. But well maintained and well presented models can be worth up to and in special cases over 2000 quid.

[Geeman]

It's the same as M3's... you take a standard 2.3 195bhp model, stick all the bits on from an Evo Sport, and what have you got...? A standard E30 M3 that's been modded... not worth the Ԛ£15k that genuine Evo Sports command these days...

This is exactly the same with normal E30's.

The different cars cater for different pockets. The standard 325i is still a great machine.

[A1BMW325iSport]

i`m not saying genuine sports aren`t worth the money i`m just saying that i`d rather have a modded 325i that costs me about half the money.

[Davenotouring]

i`m not saying genuine sports aren`t worth the money i`m just saying that i`ve rather have a modded 325i that costs me about half the money.

Another fair comment there.

It's all about what you are happy with.

Some people will be happy with a Sport replica, some would rather pay the extra to have an original Sport.....

[Geeman]

Infact, Im currently planning on finding a 325i Sport in excellent condition in Dolphin grey. Doing a 5 stud conversion and fitting a set of negaro silver 16" BBS's. To me that can never look chav which goes for 325i sports on a nice set of BBS's.

That sounds like a nice project... sounds similar to what I wanted to do with my next E30 purchase...

[bennyp]

who cares...... if you like em, drive em.............

[6potWil6pot]

Hmm just to put it in perspective my car went for Ԛ£3600 and i really would describe it as "very" good condition as many of you have seen. Although a modified car is even harder to quantify in price but i had wanted a Sport for ages before i got the 318iS and the 325i M50.

That guy Telboy had the ultimate Sport for under 3k but he found it quite hard to sell if i remember, Black with Air Con.

[frosted]

personal preference i guess.

the point im trying to make. and very badly i know is that

the sport is worth a lot more becuase of its staus.

where as a 325i 4 door or coupe has to be someting special to be worth over 2k.

simply down to the car market.