H26 conversion

[maz1]

Anyone know what is invoved. How good are they?

Thanks

[maz1]

Anyone hartge lovers?

[HartgeH27]

Hartge H26 conversion was cylinder head work plus suspension. thicker ARBs, wheel, exhaust, ecu/chip, steering wheel, gear knob, 11 spoke Hartge Classic wheels, badges and if ordered body kit as well.

Ran on a 40% slipper in most cases. Produced around 190bhp and the few that were done in RHD were converted by Birds UK.

[StuBeeDoo]

Are we talking 2554cc here?? If so it involves a 323i crank and custom pistons.

[HartgeH27]

No we are not talking 2554, the H26 had no capacity change, a common misnoma.

The H26 stayed at the standard 2.5 size Stu but called it the 26 which has lead to many thinking it was upped on cc.

The H27 used crank/conrods/lightweight pistons which gave it 2.7 whilst the H27SP had the additional ITB over the H27 raising the power to around the 220bhp.

HTH

[maz1]

Birds uk still do the conversion involving cylinder head work and hartge ecu for around 1700 inc vat

[daimlerman]

Birds uk still do the conversion involving cylinder head work and hartge ecu for around 1700 inc vat

Sounds like value for money to me,that's a 19bhp gain for less than 2k,add on a Hottuning manifold for £200 and you will have a nice motor..

[maz1]

thats what i thought. But all it involves is a different cam chipped ecu and skimmed head. I am wondering if Ant or anyone elso could get similar gains at a lower cost. For example with CAT CAM, skimmed polished head, wild chip from ant at A tech - would that not be similar gains.

[hongkongfuey]

or do a 2.7 for half that and be better

[maz1]

A decnt 2.7 costs alot more according to the figures been quoted by most people

[march109]

or do a 2.7 for half that and be better

You would struggle!

[maz1]

agreed with march109

[HartgeH27]

thats what i thought. But all it involves is a different cam chipped ecu and skimmed head. I am wondering if Ant or anyone elso could get similar gains at a lower cost. For example with CAT CAM, skimmed polished head, wild chip from ant at A tech - would that not be similar gains.

Its a whole more than a skim ..............is a good weeks work.

[bss325i]

thats what i thought. But all it involves is a different cam chipped ecu and skimmed head. I am wondering if Ant or anyone elso could get similar gains at a lower cost. For example with CAT CAM, skimmed polished head, wild chip from ant at A tech - would that not be similar gains.

Its a whole more than a skim ..............is a good weeks work.

It is essentialy only a skim and a cam change. I spoke with Kevin Bird about what it entails and to see if it was available in diy form as i originaly thought it was a flowed head and possibly bigger valves but he said the complete engine was needed so they could work out the exact original compression ratio and machine accordingly to attain the suitable comp ratio.

I aggree with maz1, i thought £1700 was a bit steep for what it is.

[HartgeH27]

thats what i thought. But all it involves is a different cam chipped ecu and skimmed head. I am wondering if Ant or anyone elso could get similar gains at a lower cost. For example with CAT CAM, skimmed polished head, wild chip from ant at A tech - would that not be similar gains.

Its a whole more than a skim ..............is a good weeks work.

It is essentialy only a skim and a cam change. I spoke with Kevin Bird about what it entails and to see if it was available in diy form as i originaly thought it was a flowed head and possibly bigger valves but he said the complete engine was needed so they could work out the exact original compression ratio and machine accordingly to attain the suitable comp ratio.

I aggree with maz1, i thought £1700 was a bit steep for what it is.

Mmmm seems we are getting / have got conflicting information, I spoke to the guy who actually does the work and it involves more than just skimming.

Still, whichever route, its a good conversion.

[M5pilot]

I've sampled a genuine H26 a few years ago, belonged to Geoff.

The performance was excellent, better than alot of 2.7's I've been in. The suspension was just awesome.

The full conversion is more than the sum of it's parts.

[daimlerman]

I reckon that Sal has just summed up the essence of good tuning with the phrase 'the full conversion is more than the sum of it's parts'...just what BMW achieved with the M3.And what we all are trying to do with our cars,some with more success than others.

[maz1]

if it involves a full topend rebuild then may be worth it. but it doesn't from what i was told.

[HartgeH27]

I've sampled a genuine H26 a few years ago, belonged to Geoff.

The performance was excellent, The suspension was just awesome.

The full conversion is more than the sum of it's parts.

I second that, I used to drive a fair bit with Geoff and can second that it was a quick, roadsure and great sounding car.

The Hartge recipe works !

[bss325i]

I've sampled a genuine H26 a few years ago, belonged to Geoff.

The performance was excellent, The suspension was just awesome.

The full conversion is more than the sum of it's parts.

I second that, I used to drive a fair bit with Geoff and can second that it was a quick, roadsure and great sounding car.

The Hartge recipe works !

And a stunning looker! Sterling and oxblood!

[HartgeH27]

[bss325i]

Any bigger pics?

[HartgeH27]

Clicky the piccie and it will enlarge !

If you want I can email you them ?

(Sorry for off topic) ..........................

[bss325i]

Clicky the piccie and it will enlarge !

If you want I can email you them ?

(Sorry for off topic) ..........................

I've saved it now in full size, thanks.

[Andyboy]

The early H26 was 2554, later 325i based cars are 2494. The later H26 was a nicer car than any C2 2.7 I've driven - loads of performance and really smooth and revvy. If you could replicate Geoff's engine 100%, you wouldn't need a 2.7. It makes a healthy standard 325i feel really slow.

[bss325i]

Geoff's H26 needs to come back into the limelight.

[Simon13]

you best go to ireland looking then Barry!

[dimebag_from_hell]

Not afraid to use her, good job!