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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:21 pm

I have currently got 15s on mine and and thinkin of goin to 17s or preferably 18s......how much slower will the acceleration be????

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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:23 pm

Don't know dan so sorry i'm not really helping, but I thought if you got the profile correct on the bigger rims, the rolling circumfrence of the tyre should be the same, so not really affecting speedo reading or acceleration. But there again, I may be talking complete bollocks :?
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:29 pm

I've just done a quick calculation and if you go for 215/40x17 tyres the difference in rolling radius will be negligable.
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:30 pm

i think beemerlad is right exactly what he said

think you have to measure the original wheels and tyres and go from theyre Daz
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:35 pm

dazleeds wrote:i think beemerlad is right exactly what he said

think you have to measure the original wheels and tyres and go from theyre Daz
Phew! - mine runs on 205/40/17 and I think the speedo is pretty accurate
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:39 pm

cheers guys.....well im on 195/50/15 at the moment....seen some 18s (225-40-18) but i think thats a fair bit bigger. They would look amazing tho....My 15s just dont fill the arches enough!!!
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:39 pm

mines on 205x45x16s
feels ok maybe a touch harsh on some bumps but trackin and balancin are a mile out so ill leave judgement till thats sorted Daz
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:41 pm

Dan - you will need rear arches rolling for proper clearance on 17's and above
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:42 pm

Aint really gonna bother with 16s cos not a great deal of difference to the 15s....The only good things with 15s is the cheap tyres...
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:55 pm

i got the 16s cos i knew theyd go on without rolling the lips etc also got 15s bbs as spares :D Daz
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:57 pm

I don't think it will be much slower, it's to do with the weight of the wheel also though.

17's went on my touring no problems. :)
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:14 pm

I thought this was a thread complaining "how much slower can my 3-speed 316 be?"

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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:18 pm

Zayyan wrote:I thought this was a thread complaining "how much slower can my 3-speed 316 be?"

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answer: nearly as slow a zayyan's Citroen :wink: :lol: :lol:
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:22 pm

:lol:

It's not slow you know! :)

Except when it's broken down of course :roll:
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:25 pm

Zayyan wrote::lol:

It's not slow you know! :)

Except when it's broken down of course :roll:
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:27 pm

It's not broken down yet, but it is French, I'm expecting it!

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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:28 pm

Zayyan wrote:It's not broken down yet, but it is French, I'm expecting it!

Used to have to make sure I had my wallet and mobile when I left, now it's wallet, mobile and AA card :mad:
AA?have you not just turned 18? :lol:
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:29 pm

:lol: :lol:

Should've known that was coming! :mad:
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Post Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:31 pm

I got 17's on mine with 225/45/17 on and no rollin required althogh is vvvvclose
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Post Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:58 am

id probably get them rolled anyway just to save any hassle...i do like a blast along some bumpy country lanes every now and again and there are quite a few bridges and jumps on the way so would be sensible i think in my case to roll them.

zayyan- any slower and ill be going everywhere at snails pace...at the moment a 1.2 nova is the same speed as me on the flat and i can just about ease past one going up hills so dont really want to lose any more speed...lol

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Post Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:09 am

dave's right (well done big d :wink: ) - 215/40/17 is the correct size to keep the overall size right. but the extra unsprung weight may make a difference....

p.s. for 18s you want 215/35/18. oh and clearance: 215/40/17 and 215/35/18 will have no probs with a 7.5J (maybe 8J) wheel, on standard lowering (40mm odd)

p.p.s 225/45/17 is quite a bit bigger than standard, acceleration would almost certainly be slower on those than standard sized tyres (and same with 225/40/18). both of those are e36 tyre sizes i believe.
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Post Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:36 am

For an a/b/c (eg 195/55/15) tyre the rolling diameter is:
d = 2*a*b/100 + 25.4*c

If you increase the rolling diameter by 1% then you will suffer a 1% drop in acceleration.
Larger wheels also move more metal outwards so will increase the wheel inertia which also reduces acceleration. The weight equivalent of the inertia of a typical wheel can be up to half the weight of the wheel.

Anyway, if you choose the right size then it wont make much different to acceleration.
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Post Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:54 pm

As Tom says the rolling diameter isnt really the killer, its the extra weight of the wheel. Ive never put anything bigger than 16s on my last 3 cars (the Sport has 15s) as I didnt like the way the it killed response and the handling wasnt as good.
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Post Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:56 pm

real irony with alloys is that they weigh more than steelies (unless you have megabucks for mag alloys) and also aren't as strong.
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Post Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:05 pm

Theres some good information from you there guys..much appreciated...looks like 17s are the way forward for me then....bit cheaper on the old tyres than 18s anyway so cant complain really...and theyll look much better than the 15s anyway

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Post Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:23 pm

are you selling your 15s then?
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Post Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:44 pm

I would do but my brother was given them for his 18th and they were put on my car when he had it....(hand me down lol) so not really up to me but i think he wants to keep them...they are scuffed like hell anyway....but theyre a nice design
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Post Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:11 pm

real irony with alloys is that they weigh more than steelies
Not always though. I had a fetish for putting Steel wheels onto my Astra for anti chav reasons and also for the rally slag look. Then I spoke to someone who had weighed various wheels and found that the Vauxhall Alloy wheels were lighter than the Steel ones. Not always the case though.