eibach vs h&r across the board!

[hennabm]

Having fitted the Eibach kit on Saturday I spent today driving it around. First impressions are very favourable. Mind you when the car didn't have a rear ARB in the first place things can only be better . I checked the diameter of the Eibach rear against the std rear one on my 323. It makes the 323 one look like a match stick.

Anyway with a new arb front and rear plus strut brace on the front, I'm very happy with the cornering of it now.

Which springs and shocks do you have?

Just the standard BMW shocks and springs.

[bss325i]

Which springs and shocks do you have?

Just the standard BMW shocks and springs.

Mtech or standard?

[hennabm]

Which springs and shocks do you have?

Just the standard BMW shocks and springs.

Mtech or standard?

Being a 320ise I can only believe that they will be std rather than Mtech.

[bss325i]

Just the standard BMW shocks and springs.

Mtech or standard?

Being a 320ise I can only believe that they will be std rather than Mtech.

Mtech 15mm lower suspension was available as an option on all models it wasn't standard on ie 325i sport, 318iS etc.

Just wanted to get an idea of what the roll bars were being used in conjunction with.

[Dunx]

H&R OE Sport---------------------180------------------------380
H&R Sport-------------------------180------------------------380
H&R Sport (29664)---------------200------------------------285
H&R Race-------------------------315------------------------ 570

Which of those are equivelant of the cup springs?

Can Evolve get the same H&R Race ones they mention there?

[Dave_M3]

The more I read this thread the more I think I'm going for Eibachs

Irish roads are awful at the best of times
Although, there is a few gems in places all the same

[Nic01101011]

The Eibach pro kit sold here in the US is supposed to be around as stiff as stock, but a lot lower. Low + soft = bottoming out, destroyed oil pans, which is why most avoid it.

I've got the H&R race springs, very low and around 3x stiffer than stock. The Konis do a good job of keeping them under control, the ride is very firm but not harsh or crashy. It soaks up most bumps like a new car would, but you feel the road much more.

IIRC the cup kit springs are supposed to be somewhere in between stock and sport in terms of stiffness, but much lower(and thus avoided like the Eibachs).

[Morat]

I guess its horses for courses - the spring rates on the later kit look to be about 50% stiffer than stock non-sport suspension (according to the post on the previous page of this thread) but the kit for earlier cars looks about the same. I'm finding that a 35mm drop really doesn't compromise my ground clearance on the country roads in Yorkshire and there are quite a few in the UK using 60/40 drops who only complain about speed bumps and the like. They're different setups for different uses.

Lets hope my sump stays intact and I don't regret posting this! Also, what sort of roads are the US guys cracking their oilpans on? Not having driven in the US I'm starting to get a banjo soundtrack in my mind and flashbacks to the Dukes of Hazzard... I'm sure the Hazzard County Carwash would crack up an E30 nomatter what springs it was on

[Nic01101011]

Where I live here in the city the roads aren't so bad, but a lot of people live out where most city folk would consider rural, where the roads aren't well maintained. Most people drive 6,000lb 4x4 pick up trucks and SUVs, so there is no reason to have good roads.

[Simon13]

springs for the american market i would of thought will be different for europe. It's not all straight lines over here!

[reggid]

springs for the american market i would of thought will be different for europe. It's not all straight lines over here!

they don't get PN E2019-140 in the US and thats why they all say its as soft as stock.
The stiffness on the other page was provided to me by my local distributor not sure where the other one came from. They are definately stiffer than stock but the increase in stiffness seems to be more at the front and this makes sense when you try and bounce the car up and down the rear feels pretty soft still and this is what i dislike there is still alot of pitching relatatively speaking especially underbraking.

[Simon13]

H&R cupkit springs are soft on the rear and stiff on the front. I can see your point but the soft rear end really does help with traction in the wet and dry i've found.

stiff on the rear leads to a skitty back end which "breaks" alot easier and more sudden i've found

but thats just me

[reggid]

H&R cupkit springs are soft on the rear and stiff on the front. I can see your point but the soft rear end really does help with traction in the wet and dry i've found.

stiff on the rear leads to a skitty back end which "breaks" alot easier and more sudden i've found

but thats just me

It makes sense that stiffer springs do the same and drag racers like soft setups on the rear for traction its more progressive.

i think earlier someone wanted to know what springs come with the cup kit, do you know is it the sport or race?

The sports look like a good setup for the road a bit more than the Eibachs but not excessively so, much like whats quoted for the Alpinas.

Has anyone compared the ride height of the H&R sport and Eibach?

[Andyboy]

I have the 'soft' Eibachs on my 320i. They are vastly stiffer than the springs that came off, shorter and with much thicker wire diameter whereas cheapo lowering springs have the same diameter. All they do is make the poor shocks work harder. I wouldn't say 'soft' Eibachs are the ultimate for track days etc but for a road going E30 that has to encounter speed bumps, pot holes and all the other shyte, they are pretty much spot on. I'm running original size 195/60x14's (Toyo Proxes) which don't seem to have a lot of sidewall flex.

[Dunx]

Theres soft and hard eibachs??

Which are which?

[Simon13]

whats H&R sport? 35mm springs?