325i Sport, not just a UK only "Bracknell special"

[polsta]

no worries il get it done by this eve, also got a couple of other ones il do, a 1990 e30 range ,and a "1986 bmw model range" feat 5,6,7, series, then on last page "new 3 series range (e30)

what we need is someone as on prev page, to properly photoshop them and get rid of the joins etc

[jimbom30cab]

sorry, don't have PS or a scanner, infact i'm thick with computers

[polsta]

we need gaszman, do do his ones, hes got some cool as fook original testing , of the tech 1, m3, and 323i (i think) when they were released , comparing all sorts of things and track runs and god knows what

[bss325i]

we need gaszman, do do his ones, hes got some cool as fook original testing , of the tech 1, m3, and 323i (i think) when they were released , comparing all sorts of things and track runs and god knows what

Thats in the BMW 3 series Gold portfolio book i have which is made up of articles of contemporary road tests including that one from June 1987 Motor magazine of a handling test of the 325i sport, M3 and 325iX.

[bss325i]

Besides, thats not a brochure so does not apply.

[polsta]

yeah i know, but all the same still be good info to put on here and nice to look at, id like a digital copy, daves got a few things like that

[Kedge]

I've updated the Wiki Sport Overview. However there's one sentence already in there that sounds wrong.

Aside from the standard Tech package, customers could choose further upgrades from the M-Technic catalogue that were not available to standard factory models, thus giving the 325i Sport a level of exclusivity.

Surely that should read more like;

Aside from the standard M-Tech/Sport package, customers could choose further optional extras from the general catalogue that were available on all standard factory models.

[bss325i]

I've updated the Wiki Sport Overview. However there's one sentence already in there that sounds wrong.

Aside from the standard Tech package, customers could choose further upgrades from the M-Technic catalogue that were not available to standard factory models, thus giving the 325i Sport a level of exclusivity.

Surely that should read more like;

Aside from the standard M-Tech/Sport package, customers could choose further optional extras from the general catalogue that were available on all standard factory models.

Who the hell wrote that?

What you have reworded sounds right.

[bss325i]

And whats this tripe all about?

"With regards to the UK Sports, the packages are known as Tech Sports kits, and come in two flavours. For pre-facelift models, cars are Tech 1, and for facelift models the cars are Tech 2. Aside from the standard Tech package, customers could choose further upgrades from the M-Technic catalogue that were not available to standard factory models, thus giving the 325i Sport a level of exclusivity."

Tech sport kits? WTF is a Tech sport kit?

The "tech 1" and "tech 2" are abbreviations of M technic 1 and 2 made up no doubt by some Zone type back in the day and are not their official names from BMW.

[Kedge]

I've updated the Wiki Sport Overview. However there's one sentence already in there that sounds wrong.

Aside from the standard Tech package, customers could choose further upgrades from the M-Technic catalogue that were not available to standard factory models, thus giving the 325i Sport a level of exclusivity.

Surely that should read more like;

Aside from the standard M-Tech/Sport package, customers could choose further optional extras from the general catalogue that were available on all standard factory models.

Who the hell wrote that?

What you have reworded sounds right.

No idea, there's no record. The whole page is a bit on the poor side to be honest, a lot of the really early pages need a lot of work.

[Kedge]

And whats this tripe all about?

"With regards to the UK Sports, the packages are known as Tech Sports kits, and come in two flavours. For pre-facelift models, cars are Tech 1, and for facelift models the cars are Tech 2. Aside from the standard Tech package, customers could choose further upgrades from the M-Technic catalogue that were not available to standard factory models, thus giving the 325i Sport a level of exclusivity."

Tech sport kits? WTF is a Tech sport kit?

The "tech 1" and "tech 2" are abbreviations of M technic 1 and 2 made up no doubt by some Zone type back in the day and are not their official names from BMW.

Good job you didn't see all the crap I deleted

[bss325i]

I can only imagine!

One other thing, for tech 2 sport equipment, electric sunroof needs to be moved from standard equipment to optional and manual sunroof also added to optional.

[Kedge]

I can only imagine!

One other thing, for tech 2 sport equipment, electric sunroof needs to be moved from standard equipment to optional and manual sunroof also added to optional.

I'll sort that out and tidy up some of the other text over the weekend, not doing anymore tonight

[bss325i]

Anyone used to be able to edit/write on the wiki.

What changed?

[Kedge]

I don't remember the Wiki being open like that.

I think skipunda is meant to be the main man regarding the Wiki but since he's not around so much Grrrmachine seems to have taken it on, he's the only person I know who can create someone an account unless any of the MODs can, would think at least Steve would be able to.

[bss325i]

Yep, it was open as i wrote the tech 2 sport bit, options colours etc.

[Chris_B86]

I don't understand why there are haters of the sport, it clearly differentiates from others models in the range.

Sport seats, factory styling packs, LSD, M Tech suspension all out of the box.

[bss325i]

I don't understand why there are haters of the sport, it clearly differentiates from others models in the range.

Sport seats, factory styling packs, LSD, M Tech suspension all out of the box.

Because people (normally non sport owners) churn out some yarn about it being a bitsa and all the other options were available on a normal 325i.

Fact of the matter is, its a separate model.

There have been many a thread in the subject.

[Rich320I]

I don't understand why there are haters of the sport, it clearly differentiates from others models in the range.

Sport seats, factory styling packs, LSD, M Tech suspension all out of the box.

Because people (normally non sport owners) churn out some yarn about it being a bitsa and all the other options were available on a normal 325i.

Fact of the matter is, its a separate model.

There have been many a thread in the subject.

Blatantly old ground I know, but is it really a different model? Id define a model as different vehicle, like ford fiesta and ford focus they in my mind are different models.

When I used to have the pleasure (on occasion) of owning various Mk2 escorts, Mexico RS2000 Sport, I wouldn’t class them as different models just variants on the same model as the Rs2000 is the same shell as a base model but with strengthening plates and extra equipment.

Isn’t this the same with the 325i the sport is effectively a base model with extra equipment?

[Simon13]

not really as you could order in 2dr form. A 325i which came with nothing, windy windows, steel wheels. Then the 325i SE which came with bits like OBC, alloys etc then there was the 325i Sport which came with all the parts mentioned 100 times before

Strange how 325i sports get a bit hated on by this forum yet the e34 525i and 535i sports are loved an no one says they're a parts bin special. They only came about because of the success of the e30 version!

[Rich320I]

im not hating on anything, id love a tech 1 or 2.

but isnt what youv just said confirmation that a sport is a standard 325i but with extra equipment? as my above post.

nothing else changes between a sport and base model apart from specification of equipment does it?

like i was saying above, a RS2000 is just a base escort but with additonal equipment and some extra shell bracing.

honestly im just curious really and definately not picking fault, its only my opinion

[polsta]

It's more hating of non sport owners who just want to believe their 325i is the same ,how much more at the time new were sports ? yes you could spec up a base model but then your just buying a sport that's not a sport,could you spec up the black head lining ? But even now to fully spec up a car to full sport spec would cost s few grand,he sport is better than a standard and rightly so, it drives and handles better is more comfy to sit in and drive and the gizmos make it a better driving experience and thy cost more as they did new, what's the problem

[polsta]

Only the shell and engines are the same, bar the close ratio gear box, and high compresssion engines in the tech 1, most of the other stuff is different and adds up to a lot of extras , close ration gear box,LSD, sport interior, sport suspension (major difference), sport styling and spoilers, sport wheels bbs, map mirror, sport head lining, sport gear knob and steering wheel, all standard sport equipment that un arguably make it a better car in the way in looks,feel,drive,comfort , then hlww, rear blind,obc, and all the other further spec up options

[pacerpete]

I don't understand why there are haters of the sport, it clearly differentiates from others models in the range.

Sport seats, factory styling packs, LSD, M Tech suspension all out of the box.

Because people (normally non sport owners) churn out some yarn about it being a bitsa and all the other options were available on a normal 325i.

Fact of the matter is, its a separate model.

There have been many a thread in the subject.

Blatantly old ground I know, but is it really a different model? Id define a model as different vehicle, like ford fiesta and ford focus they in my mind are different models.

When I used to have the pleasure (on occasion) of owning various Mk2 escorts, Mexico RS2000 Sport, I wouldn’t class them as different models just variants on the same model as the Rs2000 is the same shell as a base model but with strengthening plates and extra equipment.

Isn’t this the same with the 325i the sport is effectively a base model with extra equipment?

An RS 2000 is a very different car to a base Escort and MANY of the parts that were used were RS 2000 SPECIFIC and NOT available on other Escorts at any cost.

A 325 Sport is NO different in any way to a similarly specced 325, with the exception of the black headlining.

A Sport is more highly regarded / valued than a similar non Sport 325 that has been retrofitted with all the Sport extras because it is a factory option package not an Abdul in a shed brum lash up


In the UK , due to the perceived exotic nature of the LHD only M3, the Sport was the 'halo' model in the E30 range and I am pretty certain we bought more of them in proportion to other E30s than any other market. In Europe , if you wanted something a bit flasher / sportier than a standard 325, you bypassed the tupperware clad Sport and paid a bit more and bought a proper bespoke hero chariot , a M3

[andyp]

i bet the escort can hide the rust just as well

[daimlerman]

Off course,if BMW(UK) had decided not to import a spec'ed up lesser door 325i,then we would never have had the oppotunity to have this kind of discussion!

Contary to popular belief,I do like to see a well kept 'sport',what I dislike is the smug attitude that 'sport' owner's seem to adopt,that is to say;
'I have a 'sport',so I am a much better E30 owner than anyone else'

[Chris_B86]

An E30 is an E30, I appreciate them all from a 316 Lux to an M3 or B6 S, but as an investment, it's better to have a sport than an SE with an M-Tech body kit put on

[bss325i]

Contary to popular belief,I do like to see a well kept 'sport',what I dislike is the smug attitude that 'sport' owner's seem to adopt,that is to say;
'I have a 'sport',so I am a much better E30 owner than anyone else'

I do hope that's not directed towards me. I appreciate, like and have owned all manor of E30's and certainly don't think I'm "a much better E30 owner than any one else" because I happen to own one.

I didn't specifically seek out a sport, it was more the low mileage and condition that sold it for me.

Not spoiling for an arguement Malcolm, just clearing the air.

[bss325i]

Strange how 325i sports get a bit hated on by this forum yet the e34 525i and 535i sports are loved an no one says they're a parts bin special. They only came about because of the success of the e30 version!

Good point!

[polsta]

the whole thing really just boils down to 1 thing, the engine ,coz its the same, if only bmw had made the sport a 2.6, wed vnever hav this same crap every time a sport is mentioned

and why do SE ,owners, always say "get an se instead" , why not...get a standard 325i instead ...

[Simon13]

polsta give the keyboard a rest you must be wearing all the buttons out. Or proof read your posts before hitting "enter"

holy shit

[polsta]

polsta give the keyboard a rest you must be wearing all the buttons out. Or proof read your posts before hitting "enter"

holy shit

maybe you should do the same, follow me around moaning like a b!tch, have a day off , or maybe just keep to the subject and point out why you think i am so wrong, or whatever you think

[macas]

the whole thing really just boils down to 1 thing, the engine ,coz its the same, if only bmw had made the sport a 2.6, wed vnever hav this same crap every time a sport is mentioned

and why do SE ,owners, always say "get an se instead" , why not...get a standard 325i instead ...

Polsta has made a very good point here,if the engine was different none of these arguments would ever crop up.....

[Cloggy Saint]

Just for the record, my humble touring is specced to a level most sport owners can only dream about

[pacerpete]

Just for the record, my humble touring is specced to a level most sport owners can only dream about

Snap ! Air,cruise,sports leather,alloy wishbones,OBC, floors,arches........