325i sport vs escort rs turbo

[da4x4turbo]

Is this actually a real thread. I thought it was a joke!

Escort? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !

[gooner1]

I have a totally rebuilt MK3 xr3i engine ,been gas flowed and ported too, by Janspeed iirc.

[Returnof318i]

At the end of the day, WHO F****N CARES!!

[harry_p]

rst v 325

fwd smokey rattly cvh torque steering scrabbler made from brown dust held together by paint essex boyracer mobile V german executive saloon with creamy smooth 6-pot, classic front engine rwd layout and soggy footwells.

death by understeer / engine failier induced fire V death by sideways into an immovable object.

all with a big but i wouldnt own an rst if you payed me.

[bss325i]

rst v 325

fwd smokey rattly cvh torque steering scrabbler made from brown dust held together by paint essex boyracer mobile V german executive saloon with creamy smooth 6-pot, classic front engine rwd layout and soggy footwells.

death by understeer / engine failier induced fire V death by sideways into an immovable object.

all with a big but i wouldnt own an rst if you payed me.

Then how are you qualified to comment if you havent owned one?

Driven many?

[harry_p]

driven a couple, and had mates that have owned several. none have been as quick as they should have been for the quoted power, all broke down with alarming regularity and cost lots to run.

didnt they all come with a bizzarre rubber band abs system driven by the driveshafts, which never seemed to work properly too?

i didnt realise you had to drive every car you didnt want just to justify your reasons for not wanting one. as it happens, i don't really want a 325i either.

[bss325i]

driven a couple, and had mates that have owned several. none have been as quick as they should have been for the quoted power, all broke down with alarming regularity and cost lots to run.

didnt they all come with a bizzarre rubber band abs system driven by the driveshafts, which never seemed to work properly too?

i didnt realise you had to drive every car you didnt want just to justify your reasons for not wanting one. as it happens, i don't really want a 325i either.

I just seems there are to many "experts" on here spouting shit. Not saying you are but its got to the point where i have to ask the question.

The series 1 didnt have the ABS system you mention but the series 2 and fiesta RST had it. It was also optional on XR model and orion 16i Ghias.

The proper name for it is SCS (stop control system) and was developed by lucas/girling. It was a primative form of ABS which was only on the front wheels.

I hate it and have removed it from a couple of RST's over the years.

[Bob_S]

I will own a series 1 next

[bss325i]

I will own a series 1 next

Good man!

[Bob_S]

I will own a series 1 next

Good man!

so wrong but right.

[gooner1]

That,s the trouble with This Car versusThat Car debates,they mostly degenerate into pointless
squabbles. I,ve enjoyed every one of the cars i,ve owned, in varying degrees.
Simply because i,ve never bought i car i did,nt want to own. Simple philosophy.

[R4N_S_S]

driven a couple, and had mates that have owned several. none have been as quick as they should have been for the quoted power, all broke down with alarming regularity and cost lots to run.

didnt they all come with a bizzarre rubber band abs system driven by the driveshafts, which never seemed to work properly too?

i didnt realise you had to drive every car you didnt want just to justify your reasons for not wanting one. as it happens, i don't really want a 325i either.

I just seems there are to many "experts" on here spouting shit. Not saying you are but its got to the point where i have to ask the question.

agreed - some right bullshit replies here. Harry your mates cars were probably badly maintained or upgraded. As said before if you maintain the engine properly it will be reliable that includes upgrading parts and then getting it mapped PROPERLY not by just turning the boost up or getting a chip from ebay.

[ShakeyC]

Like the E30's ABS is any good?

There is just as many council up, poorely maintained polished turds in both Ford and BMW worlds the difference is..... well there is none

[R4N_S_S]

shakeyC you have hit the nail on the head

[Fushion_Julz]

The M3 and rs500 were in different classes.

RS500 was in class A

M3 was class B

Class a was for bigger engines over 2.5 whereas class b was upto 2.5.

Cossies were in Class a due to the turbo and power output - they were the most powerful car on track in the late 80s btcc

after having done some research i conclude that your right .
dtm however was different and it is there that the m3 dominated.

Felix the racing m3 had the same 2.3ltr engine that was in the road going version because of homologation rules.

any change on the race car had to be implemented on the road car as well, hence the evo's (m3 evolutions plus rs500) and the ultimate being the 2.5 sport evo (as later on the 2.5 was introducted on the race track).

S'cuse me if I am repeating something already said, but been away from the screen for a couple of days...

The E30 M3 grp a cars had originally around 250-260bhp...The Evo 2 cars that used the 215bhp motor as a base had upto around 290bhp and the 2.5litre Evo Sport versions had upto 320bhp...
All depended, though, on who (which team) did the engine tuning.

The E30 did, though, beat the RS500 on the track, from time to time and it generally wiped the floor with the Merc 190 with which it competed (class wise) directly.

But this thread was specifically about the 325 and the RS turbo Escort...
The racing grp a E30 325s had around 250bhp but I don't know how much the Grp A RS Turbos had...

[SUMPCRACKER]

In the real world, if you own an E30 m3 and fight a cossy you will get savaged 99% of the time.
If you own a 325i and fight an RS turbo you will get savaged 99% of the time.

You may stand a chance against a standard car, but there isnt many of them and if the owner has chosen to keep it standard,i doubt he is into racing about anyway.


There is a lot more potential for a turbo motor.

[Bob_S]

In the real world, if you own an E30 m3 and fight a cossy you will get savaged 99% of the time.
If you own a 325i and fight an RS turbo you will get savaged 99% of the time.

You may stand a chance against a standard car, but there isnt many of them and if the owner has chosen to keep it standard,i doubt he is into racing about anyway.


There is a lot more potential for a turbo motor.

+1
and my saph was quicker than my M3.. my knuckles dont hurt as much owning an M3 though.. ;)

[pacerpete]

In the real world, if you own an E30 m3 and fight a cossy you will get savaged 99% of the time.
If you own a 325i and fight an RS turbo you will get savaged 99% of the time.

You may stand a chance against a standard car, but there isnt many of them and if the owner has chosen to keep it standard,i doubt he is into racing about anyway.


There is a lot more potential for a turbo motor.

+1
and my saph was quicker than my M3.. my knuckles dont hurt as much owning an M3 though.. ;)

Oh Bob, the shame, a staffy in your dark past !

[sweep]

In all escort mk3s the passenger has to hold the battery as the battery tray has disintigrated!

[bss325i]

In all escort mk3s the passenger has to hold the battery as the battery tray has disintigrated!

And all E30s have vents in the inner rear arches!

[Bob_S]

In the real world, if you own an E30 m3 and fight a cossy you will get savaged 99% of the time.
If you own a 325i and fight an RS turbo you will get savaged 99% of the time.

You may stand a chance against a standard car, but there isnt many of them and if the owner has chosen to keep it standard,i doubt he is into racing about anyway.


There is a lot more potential for a turbo motor.

+1
and my saph was quicker than my M3.. my knuckles dont hurt as much owning an M3 though.. ;)

Oh Bob, the shame, a staffy in your dark past !

Oh the shame is un-denighable it was less shameful turning up at ace in my work turds!!

sweep - I know series 1's with oil cans under the seats to stop them from falling through the floor!

Bss, all 3 of mine are solid!

[bss325i]

+1
and my saph was quicker than my M3.. my knuckles dont hurt as much owning an M3 though.. ;)

Oh Bob, the shame, a staffy in your dark past !

Oh the shame is un-denighable it was less shameful turning up at ace in my work turds!!

sweep - I know series 1's with oil cans under the seats to stop them from falling through the floor!

Bss, all 3 of mine are solid!

As were the battery trays in most of my mk3/4 escorts!

[SUMPCRACKER]

No rot in mine either - mk3

[sweep]

In all escort mk3s the passenger has to hold the battery as the battery tray has disintigrated!

And all E30s have vents in the inner rear arches!

Priceless banter...

[SUMPCRACKER]

TBH the only rusty ford I have had was a mk2 escort.
All the sieras/capris/escorts were very good.

Cant say the same for my E30s

[bss325i]

In all escort mk3s the passenger has to hold the battery as the battery tray has disintigrated!

And all E30s have vents in the inner rear arches!

Priceless banter...

[Bob_S]

rotten e30's are neglected, abused turds... my m52 was a good shell until I abused it - oops. but it does a job and does it well!

[bss325i]

Wanna see a rusty E30 then check this out!

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... ight=rusty

[sweep]

now now lets not get nasty,

[e30topless]

I never had a rusty Mk3 escort, my first xr3 in sunburst was solid as a rock but the MK4 's I had were terrible, I bought a 2 year old '88' xr3i in white that had a rotten floor, it was welded on it's first mot

despite the rust and burning oil, I loved them and would definatly buy a good series 1 or a 90 spec RS in Black if the chance came up

[Speedtouch]

My mum's MkIII XR3i had paper thin sills that i had to weld up and its smokey, clattery CVH engine seized and had to be replaced. It was eventually sold to a transvestite from Romney Marsh, who called 'herself' Mrs Hooker.

[Jon_Bmw]

My old dear had a mk4 xr3i with totally rotten rear arches.

Apart from that it was quite nice, the old man grafted some new arches on it, but sold the car with them primered for about £300 I think. I think I prefered her mk1 xr2 and sierra xr4x4.

[bss325i]

]It was eventually sold to a transvestite from Romney Marsh, who called 'herself' Mrs Hooker.

[scotty86d]

The main reason rs turbos are torque steering pieces of shit is down to the owners. fit poly bushes, have the diff and box rebuilt, decent suspension and learn how to drive a turbo car and they arent tooo bad. i had one a couple of years ago and after id done all that it was nice to drive just a shame i kept blowing them up and having metering unit issues.

e30s are not quicker than a lightly modded rst but in std form certainly above 80 e30s clearly are. and 0-60 for bmw is 7.9 to 8.1 depending on article ive found and 8.1-8.3 on rst.

both great cars imo. e30 goes sideways and sounds wicked but you look like a drug dealer/chav/few other things. rs sounds great and is a bit more manic as it comes on boost but you are pretty much a boy racer end of.

ive had an rst and prob never will again just because of the strain. defo getting another e30 at some point.

[da4x4turbo]

This thread reminds me of an expression my friend uses:

"Arguing on the internet is like competing at the special olympics; You might win..... but you're still retarded!"