Hartge M3 breaking

[Theo]

It's a 2.93 LSD from an E28 (I think) with 40% lockup.

[evostormm]

A great project . It seems that the original 17'' modular wheels may have long since departed the car .
You probably have seen it already, but have a look in the Hartge section here for an original german road test: http://e30.de/
Very purposeful looking with 265(!) rear tyres. All the best with it.

[Jhonno]

Theo's gone all executive on us scummers!

I feel belittled by his mere presence now..

[SteSE]

When you picking it up Theo

[Theo]

A great project . It seems that the original 17'' modular wheels may have long since departed the car .
You probably have seen it already, but have a look in the Hartge section here for an original german road test: http://e30.de/
Very purposeful looking with 265(!) rear tyres. All the best with it.

I did have a browse through there last night to see if there was more info. On one of the period german road tests of the M3 H35-24 (which I think is actually called an H36, with the H35-24 being a normal bodyshell with the s38 hartge engine) it says the car had 16" wheels.

Dan/Jon - LOL. It's no iS....

[Theo]

When you picking it up Theo

I'm not, they're delivering it! All paid for, just needs the area of impact cutting out for some retarded legal/contractual reason and then it will be delivered to my doorstep - free of charge!

[SCOTT325SE]

Try speaking to Ian Ross (H35Ian/amongst other screen names) He has a H35 (NON-24v) and has done a lot of the research into the individual bespoke parts, eg brake discs!!!!!! which are NLA and custom basically.

[winx]

Nice one fella good luck with it!
Might have to find something else to purchase off you now so I can come and have a poke around it, shotgun a ride in it sometime!

[Blitz]

Theo325 did you know of it prior to this thread?

[Theo]

Yeah mate, you're welcome to a ride in it when it's done which in fairness will probably be a very long time from now.

Cheers for the heads-up Scott, I might see what info he can reveal. There certainly are a lot of funky parts, the front brakes are one of the original features which may have gone missing as the looked to be standard m3 jobbies, but I suppose the difference in diameter is only 15mm so I wont know for sure until i've properly inspected them. The rear brakes looked non-standard come to think of it.

[oldroydsr4]

Why dont you sell the sr20 and put all the h35 gear into the 316i, it will be a proper sleeper

[evostormm]

A great project . It seems that the original 17'' modular wheels may have long since departed the car .
You probably have seen it already, but have a look in the Hartge section here for an original german road test: http://e30.de/
Very purposeful looking with 265(!) rear tyres. All the best with it.

I did have a browse through there last night to see if there was more info. On one of the period german road tests of the M3 H35-24 (which I think is actually called an H36, with the H35-24 being a normal bodyshell with the s38 hartge engine) it says the car had 16" wheels.

Dan/Jon - LOL. It's no iS....

The badge on the back of the car in the road test, photo 6 on the last of the Hartge articles, shows the (test) M3 car to be an H35-24 and with the 17'' modular wheels (works of art in themselves).

There's even been a debate about nomenclature;
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e34-m5 ... 6-e30.html

[Theo]

Interesting link, allbeit slightly confusing. For what it's worth, there was a number ingraved in the turret above where the vin plaque sat which contained H36.

Why dont you sell the sr20 and put all the h35 gear into the 316i, it will be a proper sleeper

The SR20 will be a cool track car once it's done, the h36 will be a great road car and I want it to be as original as possible.

[oldroydsr4]

Fair enough mate

[Theo]

Theo325 did you know of it prior to this thread?

Nope, thanks for the heads up.

[pony2]

Why not source a complete car, you could recoup quite a bit on all the parts that you don't need.

[madaboutthe30]

Damn, when this car gets restored its going to be one of the coolest on the zone...................Glad one of us is taking it in

[Jon_Bmw]

Just a shame its Theo!

Jokes bruv, before u rinze me edirty 1.8 sprt.

[Theo]

It has an interesting bootbadge, wonder if it genuine BMW motorsport or an ebay special!?

[Blitz]

I saw it on the boot as well, never see it before.

[cypriot_boy_2k7]

do you wana sell the front and rear bumpers? well done on the purchace gonna be one wicked car when done

[oi_oi_savaloy]

Theo - just wanted to offer my congratulations on a first class effort. A car with real history (one of 6!) that deserves saving and putting back on the road.

Pick it up asap - so bits don't start walking off the car......

[Theo]

Thanks, I don't think bits will be going missing though. It's locked in the garage at the yard which the public isn't allowed in.

[oi_oi_savaloy]

Thanks, I don't think bits will be going missing though. It's locked in the garage at the yard which the public isn't allowed in.

It's not so much the public I'm worried about; call me a cynic but it's the vendor and maybe the employees I'm unwilling to trust unless you know them well?

Apologies if you know the business selling the car personally and can vouch for their honesty etc etc.

[Theo]

I don't know them well. I did spend a couple of hours up there yesterday ironing out the deal and talking to the owner and he, and his employees I talked to came across very well. I've also got an itemised receipt for what I've purchased just to be on the safe side.

[Karan]

an sr20det e30 would be way faster better handling more torquey than an s38 car

[e21Jason]

That is a genuine 70's BMW motorsport badge got some for the e21.


Jason

[Demlotcrew]

After a little research between me and another zoner it transpires that the H35/36 24v used both the M88 and later cars the S38 as found in the E34 M5.

This one has the S38

The M88B35 is normally 286bhp but Hartge tweaked it to 300bhp.

The S38B36 is normally 316bhp and Hartge tweaked it to 330bhp!

Total weapon and no wonder some owners have run out of tallent!

Yes, that engine is definately a S38. Any idea what Hartge "tweaked" to get 330bhp?

To hazard a guess i would say cams and some management work but here is a pic of the M88 on the back of the 88/89 Hargte catalouge and as you can clearly see, the throttles have been played with.

Those look like stock throttles to me.

[bmwe30mtech]

Nice purchase Theo! I know you have wanted an M3 for a while, but didn't think it would be one of these rare items .

I will definatly have to have a butchers some time soon.

[bss325i]

Yes, that engine is definately a S38. Any idea what Hartge "tweaked" to get 330bhp?

To hazard a guess i would say cams and some management work but here is a pic of the M88 on the back of the 88/89 Hargte catalouge and as you can clearly see, the throttles have been played with.

Those look like stock throttles to me.

With trumpets? What about the plenum?

[Blitz]

Thanks, I don't think bits will be going missing though. It's locked in the garage at the yard which the public isn't allowed in.

Thats where I found it Next all the bikes.

[oakey]

To hazard a guess i would say cams and some management work but here is a pic of the M88 on the back of the 88/89 Hargte catalouge and as you can clearly see, the throttles have been played with.

Those look like stock throttles to me.

With trumpets? What about the plenum?

The trumpets are probably visible inside the plenum?

[Demlotcrew]

Those look like stock throttles to me.

With trumpets? What about the plenum?

The trumpets are probably visible inside the plenum?

Exactly, there is a rubber boot that goes between the trumpets and the plenum.

Andrew

[bss325i]

With trumpets? What about the plenum?

The trumpets are probably visible inside the plenum?

Exactly, there is a rubber boot that goes between the trumpets and the plenum.

Andrew

Ah ok. They just looked a bit long thats all.

[Blitz]

The pics I took. Really crap pics.