m3's on a false pedastal?

[fuzzy]

then another couple of hundred quid puts you into the 330bhp level.......

[maxfield]

It's an unreliable Ford Pinto engine.

How often do you see S14's breaking?

[hammoj28]

Btw, apparantley the evo sport is 0-60 in 6.1..........

[fuzzy]

Btw, apparantley the evo sport is 0-60 in 6.1..........

ok then,like for like whats the rs500?

[hammoj28]

rs500 is down as 6.1 too.

[Rich_W]

I've got an M3

I also quite like RS500's

I think Ka's are much better than people give them credit for.

I was once beaten by a modified Smart Car!

I don't give a monkeys whether people get an M3 anymore. (Used to be more defensive but gave up worrying!) I like it (apart from when its got its hand in my wallet!) people who know cars understand what it is and what the race versions did. And those same people will "get" RS500's. Other people just see an old dirty H reg BMW. Makes no odds to me.

Lets be honest the cars still fast enought to loose my licence relatively easily but if I want to go faster, thats presumably why I have a bike licence.

[fuzzy]

rs500 is down as 6.1 too.

a standard cossie is 6.1 or 5.9 depending on where you get the figures from with a 4wd being 6.6.
ok lets talk about torque.....

[ShepsEvo3]

But a £200 spent on an RS500 will see well under 6 seconds to 60, M3 you'll need to spend £1k plus lol.

[hammoj28]

And...

RS500 quarter mile: 15.5,
Power to weight ration = 185.58bhp/ton

M3 evo sport quarter mile : 14.7
Power to weight: 198.33bhp/ton

[e36boy]

Dont get me wrong coz i love the e30 M3, they look gorgeous and have alot of history in motorsport but at the end of the day they are very dated now and for alot less money you could have an integra type 'r' which would leave an e30 m3 on track or on straight roads and twisty country lanes.

[fuzzy]

Dont get me wrong coz i love the e30 M3, they look gorgeous and have alot of history in motorsport but at the end of the day they are very dated now and for alot less money you could have an integra type 'r' which would leave an e30 m3 on track or on straight roads and twisty country lanes.

i agree although i do find the type r to be rather twitchy and unstable at high speeds

[Bob_S]

if it's so cheap and easy to extra 330bhp from a pinto, can I ask why it's not exactly a common occurance and why arent you claiming those figures?

[Rich_W]

Some people really like Triumph TR5's or MGB GT's.

They must be well stupid man! You can go much faster for the same money and go round corners even kwicker than a Veyron.

Does that mean all the guys who simply like those cars should sell them or wave their willies with "Selective" performance figures that play to the cars strengths?

EDIT

Bob every tuner in the country claims Stage 3 is 330BHP. Whether they are or are more accurately like Fuzzy's who knows.

[hammoj28]

e36 boy wrote:

Dont get me wrong coz i love the e30 M3, they look gorgeous and have alot of history in motorsport but at the end of the day they are very dated now and for alot less money you could have an integra type 'r' which would leave an e30 m3 on track or on straight roads and twisty country lanes.

Id like to see that happen.

Rich W wrote:

Some people really like Triumph TR5's or MGB GT's.

They must be well stupid man! You can go much faster for the same money and go round corners even kwicker than a Veyron.

Ses it all really doesn't it.

[maxfield]

Dont get me wrong coz i love the e30 M3, they look gorgeous and have alot of history in motorsport but at the end of the day they are very dated now and for alot less money you could have an integra type 'r' which would leave an e30 m3 on track or on straight roads and twisty country lanes.

How sure are you on that one?

[he30]

Come on guy's, we all know these cars aren't fast by modern standards. What your buying is a piece of motoring history, steeped in heritage, an icon.
Why buy an Rolex when a casio tells the same time? its in the engineering.

[agreen]

if it's so cheap and easy to extra 330bhp from a pinto

and why was you touring running at 282 then

after all if its so cheap id go for 330 bhp

[Bob_S]

yeah I know rich just picking up on what he has said. I took mine out yesterday for a run.. felt as good as destroying all those irritating nissan micra's in one shot

end of the day 0-60 isnt all that relative.. bearing in mind the M3 is a drivers car I dont recall many articles raving about it's straight line performance but more focussed on it's hndling characteristics.

I read an articlea while back where a mag claimed the 320si e90 was a better car... because it had mod cons.. in which case a new corsa is better

e36boy -

I would disagree as would my rear-view mirror

[ciaranthemurph]

Well I just bought one (track prep'd and nowhere near mint) this weekend and love it. My S2 daily runner cost half as much and it probably faster in a straight line, but that's not really the point. I can't wait to get it on track asap, but at the moment I'm enjoying gritted roads and Dunlop DZ02s and trying to keep it in a straight line!

[fuzzy]

if it's so cheap and easy to extra 330bhp from a pinto, can I ask why it's not exactly a common occurance and why arent you claiming those figures?

it is very common. it probably the most common stage of cossie tune requiring dark green injectors,a 3 bar map sensor and a chip,under £500 from standard power. mine isnt that bcause im bypassing that and going to the next stage with grey injectors and 28psi of boost giving me around 370bhp. they are all well travelled cosworth tuning routes. nothing out of the ordinary.im still running on standard injectors and only 16 psi of boost giving me my current power level but already have a bigger turbo fitted that can handle nearly double that and a ported and polished head along with a 3 layer steel headgasket .nothing to see hear lads, its just basic cosworth tuning

[patrick85]

I t would be a boring world if everyone had the same opinions.

People laugh at me when I say I'd have an IS over a 325 sport anyday. But thats another argument entirely.

[fuzzy]

I t would be a boring world if everyone had the same opinions.

yes wouldnt it. and there would be no point in internet forums discussing these sort of things but fortunatly we do all have different opinions and thats whats being expressed here.

[Bob_S]

exactly I can see the is over a sport theory though.. cant wait to get mine on the road can drive pick of the bunch back to back then lol

[fuzzy]

People laugh at me when I say I'd have an IS over a 325 sport anyday. But thats another argument entirely.

and that laughter would be entirely justified

[e21Jason]

Hey, lay off the MGB - they're not a bad drive! My '72 GT is lowered with race-spec suspension and handles pretty well for its age, on wire wheels too

I have had a sebring kitted gt v8 4 wheel drift fun

Jason

[Gunni]

E30 M3´s aren´t backed up by numbers in accelaration or handling,
but driving FUN.
beeing a passenger in one is the same as beeing one in a non m.
Driving one is a whole different ballgame.
It´s all about connecting with the machine.

I for one miss my Europameister..

[fuzzy]

E30 M3´s aren´t backed up by numbers in accelaration or handling,
but driving FUN.
beeing a passenger in one is the same as beeing one in a non m.
Driving one is a whole different ballgame.
It´s all about connecting with the machine.

I for one miss my Europameister..

have you just read one of your wifes Mills and Boon paperbacks?
what exactly is connecting with the machine that you dont get in another performance car?
ill stick with my acceleration, handling and fun car that is backed by numbers

[Gunni]

I´m not saying other cars don´t have it, that would be stupid.
A E30 M3 is is a great overall daily driver, it´s got exactly the right amount of power and delivery
for a daily car.
I preferred my M3 over all other cars I have had for dailys.

[Andyboy]

I quite like E30 M3's but I wouldn't have another one. Once you get into they rythym of driving them they can go very quickly but are too much like hard work. You don't need an RS500, and the Cosworth engine is not a Pinto any more than an M3 engine is an old M10.
Lots of sought after old cars aren't that fast. An RS Turbo isn't fast now, a seventies RS2000 certainly isn't. Truth be known, a standard 204 bhp Sierra would get whipped by a 530d Auto.

Given the choice - having done the m3 thing - I'd have a P1 or 22b............or a black 3 door Cosworth with a set of Billies and around 250 bhp. Anyone who says a Sierra doesn't handle clearly hasn't driven one - they were a very capable car.

[e36boy]

I quite like E30 M3's but I wouldn't have another one. Once you get into they rythym of driving them they can go very quickly but are too much like hard work. You don't need an RS500, and the Cosworth engine is not a Pinto any more than an M3 engine is an old M10.
Lots of sought after old cars aren't that fast. An RS Turbo isn't fast now, a seventies RS2000 certainly isn't. Truth be known, a standard 204 bhp Sierra would get whipped by a 530d Auto.

Given the choice - having done the m3 thing - I'd have a P1 or 22b............or a black 3 door Cosworth with a set of Billies and around 250 bhp. Anyone who says a Sierra doesn't handle clearly hasn't driven one - they were a very capable car.

Even the normal sierras had a very capable chassis......just had to get that in

[fuzzy]

i would undoubtably agree a standard cossie would be beaten by a 530d. in fact a friend has both a 330 petrol and a diesel, both have been chipped and the diesel gives me more of a run for my money in my touring than the petrol. the cosworth is in the better position off being easily and cheaply tuned to match the modern machinery compared to the m3.

[fuzzy]

i wont argue against the better build quality of the overall m3 car though compared to a cosworth.

[patrick85]

patrick85 wrote:
I t would be a boring world if everyone had the same opinions.



yes wouldnt it. and there would be no point in internet forums discussing these sort of things but fortunatly we do all have different opinions and thats whats being expressed here.

I'm all for the discussion Fuzzy. Just pointing out how boring it would be if we all had the same opinions in life and how great it is that lively discussions like this can be had.

Never had the pleasure of driving an m3 myself but am in the process of swapping my s14a for a 2wd cosworth while my E30 is getting an M50. I've always said if I had loads of money i'd buy loads of cars for around 10k rather than lets say one really expensive Ferrari. Can't beat a bit of variety at the end of the day.

[fuzzy]

I quite like E30 M3's but I wouldn't have another one. Once you get into they rythym of driving them they can go very quickly but are too much like hard work. You don't need an RS500, and the Cosworth engine is not a Pinto any more than an M3 engine is an old M10.
Lots of sought after old cars aren't that fast. An RS Turbo isn't fast now, a seventies RS2000 certainly isn't. Truth be known, a standard 204 bhp Sierra would get whipped by a 530d Auto.

Given the choice - having done the m3 thing - I'd have a P1 or 22b............or a black 3 door Cosworth with a set of Billies and around 250 bhp. Anyone who says a Sierra doesn't handle clearly hasn't driven one - they were a very capable car.

Even the normal sierras had a very capable chassis......just had to get that in

your just being silly now

[Francisco]

Dont get me wrong coz i love the e30 M3, they look gorgeous and have alot of history in motorsport but at the end of the day they are very dated now and for alot less money you could have an integra type 'r' which would leave an e30 m3 on track or on straight roads and twisty country lanes.

Excuse me? Bring your Integra Type-R anytime!