Whats with the IS and sport?

[320ise]

i have had 2 318is's and a pahse 1 and 2 325i sport and the basic fact is you can make any e30 as good as you want it to be so in my opinion i would by a 325i as the 318is is a great car it has'nt got the low down grunt and never will have and prices are starting to get a bit silly for a 318i with a few bits on bar the tech shocks and the m42 there is no difference! so why blow 2000 for a mint one when you could get i very tidy 318i for say 750? I would avoid a 325i sport too and just get a 325ise for 1500-2000 2dr and buy an lsd and some bilstiens and save 2000 on buying an average sport (witch mite be rotten under the kit etc.) then you could get an mtech kit or make it different with a breyton or hartge kit, sport means nothing to me anymore they are top and do look good and do have comfy seats that are allso in the 318is but go on ebay and get some propper highback out of a escort turbo problem solved. my point is after going on for a bit that its not worth paying the £Â£Ã‚£Ã‚£ for a sport or is when you can make a better one your self and anyone buying a sport who allso spotted a mint standard 325ise 2dr for half the price would be a liar if they didnt get tempted! the only e30 worth the money it demands is the m3 because like it or not its the iconic car thats the reason bmw are doing aswell as they are today FACT!

[rebelcruiser]

4 pots sound 10x better than any 6 pot with the right mods!

you must be on drugs if you think that

theres only one 4 pot what sounds nice with a zaust etc

and thats a scooby

[fuzzy]

4 pots sound 10x better than any 6 pot with the right mods!

you must be on drugs if you think that

theres only one 4 pot what sounds nice with a zaust etc

and thats a scooby

scoobys just sound like they are running 1 pot down on 3.i personally prefer the deep rumble and hiss that accompanies my 4 pot cosworth

[maxfield]

Listened to a E46 CSL going round the circuits? Or even the new M3 V8! Awesome sound!

V8's sound awesome. End of.

CSL, it's alright...

C/F box on an M3 at 9k, love it!

[bss325i]

Face the facts guys, sports cost more new and cost more now. Always have done, always will. They are just higher up the ladder than the lesser models. You think 4k is strong money for a sport? Thats just for an average example with around 100k, some of the best sports are hitting the 6k mark now purely because nice examples are very thin on the ground. They have the kudos and all the best bits as standard. It seems that most of the people who say sports ar not worth the extra are the ones who are on a budget or have sheds that aint worth a **** which make up 50% of the people on the zone and who always want something for nothing. Bottom line is if you want one you pay the premium!

I said all this on a previous thread.

[lance1a]

Please read to the tune of Twelve days of xmas

All 5 pots audi's
a nice wild cam'd V8
Fiat and Alfa twincam,
all BM sixes.......

Honda VTEC fours
Duratecs on NOS
Vortechs on M3's
and a pinto on twinchoke weber carbs.

[fuzzy]

Face the facts guys, sports cost more new and cost more now. Always have done, always will. They are just higher up the ladder than the lesser models. You think 4k is strong money for a sport? Thats just for an average example with around 100k, some of the best sports are hitting the 6k mark now purely because nice examples are very thin on the ground. They have the kudos and all the best bits as standard. It seems that most of the people who say sports ar not worth the extra are the ones who are on a budget or have sheds that aint worth a **** which make up 50% of the people on the zone and who always want something for nothing. Bottom line is if you want one you pay the premium!

I said all this on a previous thread.

remind me exactly what it is you get for your money when comparing a sport to a 'lesser' 325? is it good value for money or a bit of badge snobbery? i wouldnt buy a sport. id take the lesser 325 anyday and upgrade it with the cash saved to a better spec imo than the sport.
and im certainly no cheapskate.

[bss325i]

Face the facts guys, sports cost more new and cost more now. Always have done, always will. They are just higher up the ladder than the lesser models. You think 4k is strong money for a sport? Thats just for an average example with around 100k, some of the best sports are hitting the 6k mark now purely because nice examples are very thin on the ground. They have the kudos and all the best bits as standard. It seems that most of the people who say sports ar not worth the extra are the ones who are on a budget or have sheds that aint worth a **** which make up 50% of the people on the zone and who always want something for nothing. Bottom line is if you want one you pay the premium!

I said all this on a previous thread.

remind me exactly what it is you get for your money when comparing a sport to a 'lesser' 325? is it good value for money or a bit of badge snobbery? i wouldnt buy a sport. id take the lesser 325 anyday and upgrade it with the cash saved to a better spec imo than the sport.
and im certainly no cheapskate.

The bottom line is a sport is a more desirable model with a degree of kudos so comands a higher premium, end of. Who care's if you or others would 'take the lesser spec', the fact is they go for more money.

[Gibson]

SE for the win

[Bob_S]

4 pots sound 10x better than any 6 pot with the right mods!

you must be on drugs if you think that

theres only one 4 pot what sounds nice with a zaust etc

and thats a scooby

you know nothing.. the corner and stool is over there!

[hammoj28]

Scooby sounds like a heap of junk compared with a screaming s14........gotta be the best sound ever.

[fuzzy]

Face the facts guys, sports cost more new and cost more now. Always have done, always will. They are just higher up the ladder than the lesser models. You think 4k is strong money for a sport? Thats just for an average example with around 100k, some of the best sports are hitting the 6k mark now purely because nice examples are very thin on the ground. They have the kudos and all the best bits as standard. It seems that most of the people who say sports ar not worth the extra are the ones who are on a budget or have sheds that aint worth a **** which make up 50% of the people on the zone and who always want something for nothing. Bottom line is if you want one you pay the premium!

I said all this on a previous thread.

remind me exactly what it is you get for your money when comparing a sport to a 'lesser' 325? is it good value for money or a bit of badge snobbery? i wouldnt buy a sport. id take the lesser 325 anyday and upgrade it with the cash saved to a better spec imo than the sport.
and im certainly no cheapskate.

The bottom line is a sport is a more desirable model with a degree of kudos so comands a higher premium, end of. Who care's if you or others would 'take the lesser spec', the fact is they go for more money.

probably about the same amount that cares about your low opinion of other zoners.
like i said before, remind me what it is you get for your money for that extra £5000? i know they go for more money but why? its certainly not £5000's worth of 'best bits as standard' value for money? is it f***.
badge snobbery pure and simple.

[oakey]

Where did the 5grand come from

[fuzzy]

Where did the 5grand come from

he quoted £6000 for a good sport, you can get a good 325i for £1000-£1500. ok ill allow £2000 for a minted 325 ,it still leaves £4000 difference. im wondering exactly what it is you get for that money rather than a couple of extras and a badge?

[dannyboy759]

he quoted £6000 for a good sport, you can get a good 325i for £1000-£1500.

Ummm 4500 grand for some bits of plastic, a big boot spoier and a black roof linning. not bad!!!!

[AlexBaur325]

My 2 pence worth on engine sounds....6 pot all the way.

[Geeman]

I've had plenty of E30's in my time... 318i / 318iS / 320i / 320iS / 325i / 325iS - but I've never owned an E30 M3. Driven one, and I have to admit it was lots of fun.

Best all-round E30 for me...? The 'hard to find' 320iS - all day, every day for me.

It combines the good looks of the 325i Sport, handling of the 318iS with the rawness of the M3 pushing you along. As much as I love the sound of the 6, there's something about the S14... the urgency at which it reacts when you plant your foot and change between 2nd and 3rd... awesome. It's equally at home round town too.

So, the 318iS has it's followers, as does the Sport, but it's the 320is - the relative wolf in sheeps clothing that tops the list for me.

[fuzzy]

he quoted £6000 for a good sport, you can get a good 325i for £1000-£1500.

Ummm 4500 grand for some bits of plastic, a big boot spoier and a black roof linning. not bad!!!!

if i take my touring as a comparison. originally a 325 until i b4sr4rdised it, mtec suspension,disc brakes,tech2 kit,large rear spoiler,lsd ,leather interior albeit comfort not sport all as standard but no black roof lining all in very good condition and £1200 from a dealer.
i honestly dont get the 'sport' thing. seems to me a clever ploy from the bmw marketing department to squeeze £'s from the average bmw badge snob because they know they will fall for it.

[Geeman]

So the different differential, gearbox ratios, suspension, bodykit, seats, interior trim, etc was all just a ploy?

A typical non-Sport owner post from Fuzzy.

[fuzzy]

So the different differential, gearbox ratios, suspension, bodykit, seats, interior trim, etc was all just a ploy?

suspension and bodykit is the same isnt it? what was the diff on a sport? my touring came with a 3.91 lsd. is that the same? what was the difference in the interior trim apart from the black roof lining? ive already noted the different seats.

[Geeman]

Steering wheel, gearknob, interior mirror, etc...

Suspension and bodykit is different from a 'normal' saloon 325i.

Diff ratios were different as were the gearbox ratios from a standard 325i Saloon.

You can't compare a Touring to a Sport. Different sales market to aim for when they were new. You have to compare a standard 325i Saloon to a Sport... and there were a lot of differences between them.

Standard de-chroming, standard 15" BBS's - Need I go on? I know they were all 'options' on a standard 325i...

Anyway, enough about that.

[fuzzy]

ah but i was comparing my touring as thats a standard 325i in estate form.so i can take from that for another £4800 i could have had a different steering wheel,gearknob,different gearbox ratio and a black rooflining. everything else you mention i have or had.
i take it all back ,what a bargain.

[Geeman]

£4800 from new...?

Your 325i Touring obviously had options ticked from new.

I once had a standard 325i Touring, and it had no bodykit, wheels, seats, etc.

I can see that even your kit isn't quite complete though.

You can still pick Sports up for reasonable money. They're not all £6k 'minters'

[fuzzy]

£4800 from new...?

no not new ,now. £1200 for my good touring . £6000 for a good sport according to a previous post . left me nearly £5000 difference to put a decent engine in anyway ill stop annoying the sport owners now and let everyone bask in the gloriousness of the far superior and value for money sport

[rebelcruiser]

all i have to say to bob_s and hammoj28 is your 4 pots will never sound better than a scooby or

be as fast. and as for that clip of the m3 well it sounded like a clapped out honda civic bring

on the corsa gsi etc they make more noise so yea i can see what you love about 4 pots.

and as i said earlier sports are a waste of time and money like fuzzy said buy a nice 325i se

and spend the rest on nice mods etc.

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Thanks for the MAx PowAh editorial.

[Geeman]

Erm... right then. lol

[Morat]

The sport was all about trim and options. As far as I know there's nothing on one that you can't get/put on a standard 325. However, that doesn't make em a bad car or a bad choice. If you have a standard 325i you'll probably end up wanting most of the bits on a sport.

The 318is is a bit more weird in my book. I can take the point that a 4pot is lighter at the front, I can take the point that an M42 is a better engine than an M40. I would love to drive an Mtech equipped 4 pot with decent power, but none of these make it a baby M3. It has no more in common with an M3 than any other "normal" E30. Ok, it has a 4 pot, but so do the 316, 318. M40 or M42 makes no odds, they're both miles from an S14. So, apart from the engine, transmission, suspension and bodyshell... well its got sport seats. The baby M3 is the 320is. At a push.

[tomstickland]

your 4 pots will never sound better than a scooby or

be as fast

So what. The M42 sounds like a bag of nails as standard, but that doesn't stop me liking it. It's not trying to be an Impreza.

[e30bmlover]

The sport was all about trim and options. As far as I know there's nothing on one that you can't get/put on a standard 325. However, that doesn't make em a bad car or a bad choice. If you have a standard 325i you'll probably end up wanting most of the bits on a sport.

The baby M3 is the 320is. At a push.

i agree with your first statment, all about trim and options.... nowadays the kit is worth £500, slipper £250, suspension £500 should see that, headlining and map light mirror....... not that much.
so take a nice clean 325ise 2k??? so the sport in real world terms with all the above bits works out at £3750 max! all this 6k bolloks makes me laugh, thats 320is money( the real italian baby m3) or rough m3 money.

[Geeman]

But... the 320iS is hardly 'baby' M3... it's got 192bhp as standard... so it's up there in power with the early M3's.

[e30bmlover]

But... the 320iS is hardly 'baby' M3... it's got 192bhp as standard... so it's up there in power with the early M3's.

lmao, we all know why the 320is was made.... so yes its a baby m3?? its closer to a m3 than a m42 will ever be, its just a stoked down s14.

[Morat]

Well thats true of course
(@Geeman)

[Geeman]

So we're all in agreement then... the 320iS is king.

LOL

[Bob_S]

no.. it doesnt have the right suspension geeman

rebel cruiser.. a rabbit burrow reminds me of your mind..