drifting?

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Limited Slip Differential, not Lysergic Acid Diethylamide

[ShakeyC]

Limited Slip Differential, not Lysergic Acid Diethylamide

Yeah limited slip dif i ment not that stuff bendy boys take to loosen up for rear entry

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Lol shakey, the bendy boys stuff is poppers. LSD is proper feck with your heed hallucinogen.

The lsd enables both wheels to spin, enabling the drift. Open difs, one wheel spins up, while a slide is achievable, it wont be as elongated in time as the lsd drift.

[ShakeyC]

Thought poppers was another name for lsd? Eitherway poppers, lsd, drifting think i still crap myself in any of those situations. If LSD is so good how come many new cars with big engines and rear drive still only use open diffs?

[maxfield]

If LSD is so good how come many new cars with big engines and rear drive still only use open diffs?

How many new cars don't have LSD's then?

[munky30]

Because new cars aren't made for drifting.

[bmwe30mtech]

i hate this sort of question - if you can't find private land to try it on then don't do it. you clearly don't care about yourself or your car which is fine but abuse it somewhere safely and away from normal roadusers.

Very sensible.

Somebody drifted the corner onto my road recently (in a white E30) and almost killed a young guy getting out of his car (i was there an saw how close it was, missed him litrually by a foot). Amazingly there was a police car parked up, and it sped off after the E30. I didnt see, but hope it got him and the guy got sorting out, but nowadays he probably only got 2 houres comunity service or something stupid.

At the end of the day, your car will break, so you wont be drifting at all

[ShakeyC]

Alot of ford do not use lsd like mustang, ford gt, then im sure some mercs and bmw do not use lsd i seen 1, 3, and 5 series spin up inside wheels doubt they where M models guess they only oil slurpers or lower petrol models

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Thought poppers was another name for lsd? Eitherway poppers, lsd, drifting think i still crap myself in any of those situations. If LSD is so good how come many new cars with big engines and rear drive still only use open diffs?

No, poppers is amyl nitrate.

I'm not sure of the non-drift reasons for lsd's, but I think it actually is meant to aid traction by ditributing the power to both wheels more evenly. Clearly an advantage in higher power applications.

Very few performance rwd cars are 'sans' lsd.

[ShakeyC]

Because new cars aren't made for drifting.

Not talking about drifting as in drift racing but in a safety and handling aspect of lsd v open diff if lsd is considered easy to catch and hold and correct say a bout of oversteer i would have thought lsd be the next step like how 15 year ago cars moved away from using live axels and horse cart suspension leaf springs?

[maxfield]

That's what traction control comes in...

LSD's have come in since E30's with torsen diffs... Torque sensing, which gives variable lock.

[ste]

Street-O FTW-O

If you can't be fagged trudging to the depths of Wales there at practice days at the Pod, next one is 12th September and its £50 for the full day.

Or you could forget doing skids with a load of wanabees and book yourself on a trackday.

[munky30]

lsd's make it easier to drift. Drifting is about getting a big skid.

Big skids aren't safe. Open diff's make it a lot harder to get a big skid. Thus are safer.

[Ziggy]

I'm not sure of the non-drift reasons for lsd's, but I think it actually is meant to aid traction by ditributing the power to both wheels more evenly. Clearly an advantage in higher power applications.

Very few performance rwd cars are 'sans' lsd.

I'm back to open diff wrongness (temporarily), & the lack of traction really is ****! Just pulling away in the wet, at a junction or whatever is spinny-spinny-going-nowhere annoyingness. Take the Porsche Cayman for example - no LSD because it'd be too quick & nobody'd bother buying a 911!

I'll be LSD'd up again asap & nope, I won't be 'drifting' on public roads.

[cossiecrew]

real drifters use a mig spec diff

[munky30]

ftw.

[murran]

im not sure bout the practicality of this welded diff stuff (looked at some threds on trampdrift) nor do i want to spend £200 odd quid on an lsd. i think i want to experience the frustration of trying to drift with an open first then thatll push me to spend some money.
munky, im currently thinking of planning the trip to wales in oct..... my mate pete and paul both want to come, just ordered some bits for my shed namely pet tank, steering arms and pair of front shocks. and ive got some 325 set of springs on ebay for £9 i have a broken rear one and im guna cut half a coil out of the front ones to drop it a touch at the front. and guna bring some tyres with me!
i read your why am i so sh1t thred, made me chuckle are you going in october??? dont wish to sound sad but i dont know anyone, i think were on the same wavelengh??

[cossiecrew]

your going to a drift day with an open diff

[murran]

enough of the ing!! im not a person that spends money easily and i dont like the idea of welding it up. only by getting annoyed with things will i do anything bout remedying them. so drift day with an open diff is just the ticket to p1ss me orf. anyway im only goin for a well needed laugh, which im sure it will be!

[cossiecrew]

but it will be a waste you cant drift with an open diff unless its wet you will just get one wheel spinning ive ran welded diffs for ages now and i cant see a problem with them and will always use one

[murran]

do you just light the rear tyres up and do a 180 rather than a 3 point turn?

[cossiecrew]

no i can do both

[cossiecrew]

ask mjg aka mike and he will tell you about migspec hes run them in daily runners for years in normal driving you dont even know its there apart from tight parking turns the wheels skip but thats nothing really

[munky30]

but it will be a waste you cant drift with an open diff unless its wet you will just get one wheel spinning

what a crock of shit.

You can drift an open diff, its just harder.

Ask Huw.





Murran. Be damn good to see some more e30's there. You wont regret the trip.

Oh and yes, apart from very very slight extra tyre wear, a bit of 'scrubbing' on tight turns and some understeer if you drive like a cockpiece in the wet, welded diffs are fine for everyday use.

[Rosc0PColtrane]

What e36's were made for... raping.

[murran]

fairy snuff, but i need convincing........

[murran]

im interested in having a laugh with fellow minded peeps, if i can melt some tyres in the process then thats even better!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stevotheevo]

in the wet, no problem, in the dry you will probably burn the clutch out before any drifting hapens.

[oakey]

Alot of ford do not use lsd like mustang, ford gt, then im sure some mercs and bmw do not use lsd i seen 1, 3, and 5 series spin up inside wheels doubt they where M models guess they only oil slurpers or lower petrol models

Because Mustangs are made cheap. Plus I would have thought that the Cobras had LSDs?
The Gt does have an LSD

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Alot of ford do not use lsd like mustang, ford gt, then im sure some mercs and bmw do not use lsd i seen 1, 3, and 5 series spin up inside wheels doubt they where M models guess they only oil slurpers or lower petrol models

Because Mustangs are made cheap. Plus I would have thought that the Cobras had LSDs?
The Gt does have an LSD

Shakey

Mustangs are about 50 years behind in engineering terms. They still use a live axle ffs. Agree with Oakey, thought the GT was equipped with lsd.

Poverty spec or non performance Jerry-mobiles don't have them as they are not a performance car, which I'm sure was the original point and what you have hinted at!!!

[tailoutcharlie]

Oh and yes, apart from very very slight extra tyre wear, a bit of 'scrubbing' on tight turns and some understeer if you drive like a cockpiece in the wet, welded diffs are fine for everyday use.

elaborate further please joe, im prob up for this as ill have moved to wales by then, but i want to have fun without fecking up the car too mucha sit will be a daily driver.
why the understeer...

understeer=

[munky30]

because both rear wheels are turning at the same speed so trying to push the car in a straight line.

Thats why we have diffs. In a corner the inside wheels perform less rotations than the outside one. Hence the scrubbing in tight turns with a welder.

You'll only notice it if you're driving like a cockpiece though, just like the back end will only step out when you're not expecting it if you drive like a cockpiece.

'A welded diff is only dangerous if you drive like you dont have a welded diff'

[munky30]

ps, you should definitely go.. even if you're not in wales by then. SIgn up on td and pay the man.

[murran]

most new performance cars dont have lsds cus they have traction control and stability control working with the abs! all enemys of "the drifter" ofcourse. but so much safer for the average driver than 300bhp and just a lsd. drove an e46 330ci saloon with no lsd at work, it had a fault with the steering wheel angle sensor so the abs stab. and traction lights were all on and not working. my god it was so nervous and twichy to drive was a right laugh, i drifted it round a roundabout in the centre of sheffield and diddnt even mean to! once it was sideways i had no choice but to maintain the slide otherwise id have hit bout two cars if id have corrected it when it happened!!! the guy refused to take it while parts were on order (2 days) cus hed span it twice in the 4 days it had been like that. if you need an example of how much the traction is still on even when you press the button that was it!!!

[murran]

munky, i havent booked tdw but i intend to go just got to spend some on the car so i know its guna be reliable.
are you going???