WHAT IS THE ZONE FOR ?

[dazleeds]

quote; As for the shop, this forum gains no income from any of its members

not trying to stir mate
but does that mean the shop pays nothing to use the zone??

[Kos]

quote; As for the shop, this forum gains no income from any of its members

not trying to stir mate
but does that mean the shop pays nothing to use the zone??

a free front for his business ??

a i said in the roll cage thred before it got deleted, he uses us as front, a "shop" on a forum with 15,000 members give him trust when dealing with other buyers an sellers, he doesnt give shit about us or the zone, its a marketing scam for his benefit

if he approached any one a said the position he's in you would automatically trust in him.

[E30Mark]

I was hoping to go out and work on my car, but all i've done all night is sort out peoples bickering

Perhaps we are too soft with you lot,

I do not know anything about Sal or his business, yes I'm a MOD, but i don't know all the past history.

There is a team meet this Saturday, where a few of us MOD's will be giving up our weekend to plan the zones future, I'm sure soon after the meet we will be announcing a few changes around here.

Life is too damn short, I'm off to work on my car, now it's dark and cold outside.

Bear with us!

How the Zone operates, and how it is funded is not for public consumption... we take on board comments and criticisms and where practical implement them.

[Kos]

How the Zone operates, and how it is funded is not for public consumption... we take on board comments and criticisms and where practical implement them.

thats cool mate, but we as members should be allowed to do what we want and not hace to worry about sal's bitching because it affect him

what gives him the right to monopolise this forum with what we can buy and sell !!

[dazleeds]

How the Zone operates, and how it is funded is not for public consumption... we take on board comments and criticisms and where practical implement them.

again not stirring but this is a public forum run for the members
so i think it is our concern


Q what is most important to the zone??

i'd say the members

[stuartgallafant]

im with daz...

including the no stirring bit!!!

[Kos]

How the Zone operates, and how it is funded is not for public consumption... we take on board comments and criticisms and where practical implement them.

again not stirring but this is a public forum run for the members
so i think it is our concern

i do agree but, some times certain thing are kept quiet for a reason, but there must be ways of self funding.

[dazleeds]

How the Zone operates, and how it is funded is not for public consumption... we take on board comments and criticisms and where practical implement them.

again not stirring but this is a public forum run for the members
so i think it is our concern

i do agree but, some times certain thing are kept quiet for a reason, but there must be ways of self funding.

i agree with that too and understand fully

but to have a profit making business running on here

if i was in charge it certainly wouldnt be using my sites reputation or members to build up a private business without giving back to said members and forum

[Kos]

but to have a profit making business running on here

if i was in charge it certainly wouldnt be using my sites reputation or members to build up a private business without giving back to said members and forum

even then, it should have no influence on what we do, re: group buys etc

by all means let us know what they can do and their prices and thats it!

[dazleeds]

but to have a profit making business running on here

if i was in charge it certainly wouldnt be using my sites reputation or members to build up a private business without giving back to said members and forum

even then, it should have no influence on what we do, re: group buys etc

by all means let us know what they can do and their prices and thats it!

no definately not
in my oppinion all the shop should gain is the advertising space and nothing else
thats how it works everywhere else

certainly no say in how the sites run or what the members can and cant do

[Kos]

so just and advert with a link to the "shop" ??

to be honest i dont want to hear any more of sal's BS on this forum, but how do you stop them getting involved !! its near impossible

[dazleeds]

so just and advert with a link to the "shop" ??

to be honest i dont want to hear any more of sal's BS on this forum, but how do you stop them getting involved !! its near impossible

well an ad and a link by all means if the shop supports the site in someway???

i could go into rant mode but am controling myself

theres been a lot of price rises recently
and the reason given was overheads??
who's??

the zone??

or the shops??

[Kos]

what i want is for US to have the freedom to get involved i a group buy and not have sal cryin , or pluging his products all the time, as said befor, i dont care if he says one day i can get "this" for "X" and leaves it there. no saying its the best, its the cheapest i'm the only one to get it, let us be the judge of it

[Kos]

so just and advert with a link to the "shop" ??

to be honest i dont want to hear any more of sal's BS on this forum, but how do you stop them getting involved !! its near impossible

well an ad and a link by all means if the shop supports the site in someway???

i could go into rant mode but am controling myself

let rip mate, let it all out

but if you want a proper add, pay up and dont tell us what we can and cant do collectivle because it hurts you, that what sals been going on about and stied to stop us doing before. he just wants to grease his palm and get in on all the action

[Ant]

I fail to see why the financial situation of the zone is anyones business but our own, Please guys, lets not start a witch hunt here, again may I state, the thread in question was edited for the good of the zone, and is still current, so why are we still discussing the same thing here ??

Sal and Imran ( XS Performance is not a sole trading setup ) have provided a reliable service to the zone in all respects, however it is a commercial concern for both parties involved, and as a result will have a small margin on all goods supplied, to cover overheads as you'd expect.

You could argue til you're blue in face over parts at £Â£ from them that are £Â£ from others, however that is the nature of this business, competition between suppliers always drives the price downwards, I fail to see how the accusations of monopoly on the supply of e30 parts applies in this case, buyer beware as always !

Bottom line, the shop is affiliated to this site , and has been the case for 18 months now, in that time many zoners have used the shop for go-faster goodies , but no-one is saying you must use the shop, and only the shop.

I'm sure if supplier 'Z' is 10% cheaper than the shop , you'd all spend your hard earned there, I know I would

If you dont like the way XSP carry out their business, talk to them, give THEM your feedback , please understand, the zone and XSP are not one and the same , agreed there is "overlap" but only because this setup was what the forum, en-masse wanted.

Now, moderator hat off for a second............

I have know Salman a lot longer than the zone has existed, yet I manage to keep my Zone, personal and business dealings seperate from each other, and may I add that this friendship will never effect my judgement when it comes to thsi site, and its members. So may I formally say, I resent the allegation of "protection" implied within this very thread.

Transparent..... me I'm invisible

[Kos]

well why the f uck did he get involved in my group buy ant ??

it had nothing to do with him, and his shop. if i did a group buy on billie shocks H&R cup kit, he'd go fuckin spastic

[d6dph]

or pluging his products all the time

Right, I have been biting my tongue for the last few minutes but this has hit the nail on the head for me.

I have met Sal of a few occasions and socially he is a nice guy, but his manners when it comes to other products sucks.

If he doesn't sell it, it must be crap. Look at scorpion for instance, a sudden turn around in attitude when he has them for sale again?!

Yes he is a salesman but there is a certain amount of freedom of speach for the members.

I am willing to help fund the zone if it help iron out the problems. My main concern is that if the zone takes on an official sponsor, will we be able to speak our minds? I do not know the situation with XS performance and the zone, and it is none of my business, just be interested to know if it funds the zone.

Overall i think we have a top site here, and it would be a shame to see it change in any significant way. I appreciate the time and effort it takes for the site to run smoothly, let alone the financial costs. I would like to thank the admin team for all they do. I am not attacking any one person with my comments.

[Kos]

also, a affiliation with the zone and XS, where do you draw the line ??

he should't be allowed to high jack a thred in the way he did.

if daz was selling an IS lip spoiler for £50, and he had a buyer, then i posted on his add i can sell you cheaper i'd look like a cu^t,

where does sal / xs get off doing what he did ??

[Ant]

he should't be allowed to high jack a thred in the way he did.

Agreed, thread jumping is no way to be doing things, but it can and does happen, the correct way to deal with the situation is to notify a Mod, - any mod and ask for the thread to be edited.

That is the correct course of action imho, but its only my opinion.

[Kos]

the ins and out of the cage deal are as follows, make your own judgments

i was going to get together a group buy on cages, and could have got us 20% off them in a group buy, sal jumped made calls behind my back as there was money to be made

i could be bother to dick about any more due to his sly methods and telling me i want allowed to do a group buy on SD cages because he was an authorised dealer

he lied about being a dealer, i did my homwork on that one, any way i then agreed a 10% dicount with AUTOMAC, the only authorised SD supplier for e30 cages on a single purchase (1 cage) for any zone member

sal then goes on to advertise 15% discount on them, that is only achivable on a bulk "group" buy with him lining 5% to himself onmy bulk buy of 20%

thats wrong and out of order, and he thinks it make him look good ?? how ?? it what iwas going to do, but pass on the savings to all of you

[Kos]

he should't be allowed to high jack a thred in the way he did.

Agreed, thread jumping is no way to be doing things, but it can and does happen, the correct way to deal with the situation is to notify a Mod, - any mod and ask for the thread to be edited.

That is the correct course of action imho, but its only my opinion.

well did he ??

[E30BeemerLad]

This is a good site guys, the best forum I go on.
One thing that has always impressed me was the open policy really on trading and advertising, members helping each other get a good deal on parts etc.

If things stay as they are in terms of the shop covering operating costs etc and a liberal policy on group buys and pasting links to external suppliers then fine. A statement was made earlier by a mod, Ant I think (can't be arsed to scroll back up) saying things will change with advertising once "the zone" is legally allowed to make a profit.

This concerns me as I have just been banned from a Soarer forum for posting a link to some ebay items in USA and other repeated links to external traders. That forum has a shop, the forum is owned and run by one bloke and he has a couple of traders who advertise. The upshot of this is that it is forbidden to bad mouth advertisers, post links to or suggest other suppliers. Furthermore this policy led to me being banned when pointing out that a set of boot struts in the cloub shop were perhaps a little pricey at £90 compared to $35USD - about £17 for a pair in ebay.com

I had a dispute with one of the advertising traders and he did some sloppy work on my car, he has a bit of a reputation over on the other site and there are a few documented threads about his poor service, yet on the forum where he advertises I can't post up about my experience and alert other people so that other people can be informed and make a choice.

There is a risk of the zone turning into a business which then moves it away from being a club for members run by members.

[DanThe]

There is a risk of the zone turning into a business which then moves it away from being a club for members run by members.

Would ruin the place IMO

[Ant]

No-one will let the zone become a comercially biased forum, however we do need to move forward and income is a way to assure all our futures.

The Key is balance, and the balance will remain tipped in favour of the members.

[fuzzy]

There is a risk of the zone turning into a business which then moves it away from being a club for members run by members.

Would ruin the place IMO

wouldnt ruin the place but i wouldnt be buying from anywhere that discouraged free speech or edited other peoples recommendations for various suppliers or products

[jonb]

karma can be a fucker sometimes.

[SPADGE]

No-one will let the zone become a comercially biased forum, however we do need to move forward and income is a way to assure all our futures.

The Key is balance, and the balance will remain tipped in favour of the members.

Seen this happen on my last regular haunt as soon as 'gold membership' was introduced. Then more and more advertisers etc. Is this is what is going to happen here?
As for the original point raised by KOS it sounds out of order of Mr Pilot to try and scupper other peoples deals! If he can't stand competition then he's in the wrong business.
All i can be bothered/dare say atm.

[Mahmood]

Just been reading this...interesting.

I have bought performance goodies from both XS Performance and also from AutoMac. No problems with either.

Sal / Imran (XSP) and Neil (AutoMac) are traders. Let's not forget people go into business to make money, if they didn't they'd register as a Charity.

However, it is hoped that the relationship between traders/zoners is mutually beneficial and we should not expect traders to lose their shirts off their backs on a deal to appease us.

"Treat others as you wish to be treated" is the way I have always dealt with people. Eventually what goes around will come around.

[HartgeH27]

The Key is balance, and the balance will remain tipped in favour of the members.

Wise words.

[old_skool]

The Key is balance, and the balance will remain tipped in favour of the members.

Wise words.

I think that may be a hint

[Simon13]

If it goes bad on here like last time when the forsale sections were locked, and the zone changed hands, i and many others shall go down kicking like last time!

At the end of the day Sal needs to wind his neck in. What he did to cos will hopefully show newer members on this forum his true colours. They are not nice, there is always angle Sal is coming from make no mistake be it on here or in person!

end of by me before i get carried away again!

[J_Mac]

Healthy competition is a good thing, give customers the best deal. from reading this competition was not healthy, instead i'm made to believe it turned into a greed thing from one party

I thought there was a For Sale section for a reason, so any people can buy and sell whatever they like, even if it is in any other shops including the zone one.

Money ahh the route of all evil, don't you just love the stuff

[gcorky]

....sticky situation here! but the group buy thing is a bit pointless lately! i checked the group buy for update for the silicon hose group buy which has been ongoing for months-and member after member querying status -then the instigator tells this will go through zone shop-so why is the thread there? the GROUP BUY and zone shop are getting tangled up with eachother-if sold by the shop or not it should not affect the group buy thread....so the situation appears to be ,the group buys wont go ahead if zone shop sells it or can do......but on the other hand i did welcome the zone shop (a one stop e30 shop)as will members who dont want to shop about or dont know where to get stuff...and want convenient purchases from a reliable and trusted place/seller.

I have purchased from the zone shop/Sal and Ant etc -and can go to bed not worrying if i have been ripped off as i have with several of my used part deals...i know that it probably isnt the cheapest option but i like to support these said traders as they have an important role on the forum and have proved reliable and are very helpfull..

LONG LIVE THE ZONE !!! AND ITS SHOP!!!but few creases need ironing out and the problems are allways with the selling of items ,whether it be FOR SALE thread trashers or in this case the zone shop

[eko]

So where is Sals explanation/input into this?

[jonb]

Salmans counting his money at the moment....

Or maybe booking plane tickets to pakistan.

Im staying well out of this though.