e30 gets done by an evo at cadewell park...(vid)

[Davenotouring]

Dave all i know the guy driving the Evo is a journalist for a car mag.

So nope its not the same driver.

Andrew

But the other guy is a pro racer? Surely this must have bearing? Not sure how much of course, but if Sascha was driving the EVO would it not have made a quicker time?

I'm not trying to argue about M3s being slow/EVOs being fast, just out of interest.

I personally think a 215bhp M3, would be very much on par with a ~250bhp EVO at the 'Ring anyway.

[Davenotouring]

I don't follow your arguement. Okay, so what's BTG...? I'm guessing that has some effect on the times!

That's 'Bridge-to-Gantry' times at the Nurburgring, which are times that most people quote because for Tourist Driving you don't cross the start finish straight so this is the reference time for most people. You need to add about 40 seconds from memory to a BTG time for a full lap, obviously speed dependant.

EDIT: For example, Clarksons 10min lap was a BTG.

[Demlotcrew]

Yup point taken, possibly not a 100% fair comparison.

But for a BTG lap time of 8.11 the journalist must be a good driver?

And the E30 M3 is 16 years old with stock factory parts (which i bet were all brand new)

Andrew

[Davenotouring]

Yeah for sure, probably uprated but not coilover suspension too.

And no doubt he is a good driver to get an 8:11, i agree, BUT I wonder how much quicker it could go in race hands? Possibly not much, but who knows. I'd like to see a few comparisons of cars with the same drivers.

[Andyboy]

Bit harsh Jon!

Andys car is good! Have you been in it?

Let me know if it can beat 9.39 dry/clear track BtG (my time in a 318Ti Compact VLN car, standard 140 bhp motor)..! Same car with a proper driver does 8.48.

Jon, you're evil!

[Demlotcrew]

You mean this one



Fully stripped out on coilvers?

Andrew

[Andyboy]

That's the one! It was stripped out, but it was running some fairly ordinary lowering springs. Here's the spec:

ENGINE: Standard 1.8 litre 16 valve M42, 143 bhp.

TRANSMISSION: Standard 5 speed close ratio gearbox, 3.64 ratio limited slip diff (E30).

SUSPENSION: Standard but with Bilstein dampers, H&R springs, front and rear strut braces.

BRAKES: Standard but with ATE Powerdisc grooved discs and Carbopad brake pads.

WHEELS AND TYRES: Standard 5.5x15 inch Compact alloys with 195/50x15 Ventus AA grip tyres.

The choice of diff ratio was interesting; a standard 318Ti runs a 3.45 but this one was geared down a bit which gave it a bit more sparkle and I found i could stay with a Peugeot 306GTi-6 which is not a slow car. This car was absolutely gorgeous to drive and Theo Kleen who owns it and the 325i Coupe rentaracer reckoned the Compact was marginally the faster car. The 325i Coupe was running coil overs and although it WAS the faster car it was way too hard going through the Karusel and was just harder work. I reckon a stripped out 318Ti Compact with a few engine mods could be the ideal 'Ring car.
They're getting cheap now, Ԛ£1000 for a scruffy but sound one.

[Andyboy]

When you're at the Ring, see if Ring Racing can flog you some Carbopads - they're absolutely superb.

[Demlotcrew]

I think ill ask about those only heard good things about them,
running stock E46 M3 pads right now.

Andrew

[Andyboy]

www.carbopad.com

[Davenotouring]

Bit harsh Jon!

Andys car is good! Have you been in it?

Let me know if it can beat 9.39 dry/clear track BtG (my time in a 318Ti Compact VLN car, standard 140 bhp motor)..! Same car with a proper driver does 8.48.

Jon, you're evil!

Andy, there is absolutely no doubt it could. I personally would put Ԛ£1000 on the fact I could take it round there below 9:15 on a clear lap after a practise lap!

[Davenotouring]

They do the Carbopads for Civic Type Rs, when I fit the bits to my car (which are in my garage) I can get some! Ԛ£100! Bargain!

[DannyLee]

It's easy to make a car go fast. It's hard, however, to make a car a classic.

As a young driver who's picked a 55bhp (71 ft/lbs) Mk2 Polo as his soul mate, I stand untoppled in the faces of VXR's and VTR's, and all the other quick hatches. The sole reason for which, is because when you are using your dream car as a daily driver, nothing else matters, you enjoy it a lot. My learner car was a 1.8 tdi - a rover 200, and you'd think it's faster on paper, but in reality it felt like a granny's cushion.

I'd imagine you lot have E30's because they are almost (or certainly) of sentimental value to you, yes?

[Davenotouring]

Very much part of the reason yes, and it's also part of the reason why the forthcomings are lived with!

[Geeman]

You mean shortcomings...

[Davenotouring]

That's the one. Where my d'oh smilie. I was writing it and I thought, that ain't right, but I couldn't think what it should be so I left it. Thinking that people would be baffled anyway. *whistle*

[Theo]

Dave....

[Davenotouring]

Haha! Coooont!

The Kooks isn't coming to the 'Ring....

[Theo]

Yeah, he said, is Oz getting a replacement passenger?

Still haven't sorted my brakes.... this could be interesting

[Dan318-is]

cheeky fuckers!

[Davenotouring]

Not being cheeky my love, gutted you can't make it.

Theo is looking for someone, might see if any mates of mine are up for it. Time of work is an issue now, due to it being next week. What's up with your brake TheoS?

[Theo]

Theo is looking for someone

Huh? You mean Oz?

Brakes just need an overhaul, discs are ok and pads have a little bit of life left, so im trying to get a set of ate discs and a half decent set of pads, to be on the safeside.

[Davenotouring]

Yeah, sorry mate. Dopey.

Yes, do it. And bleed the fluid, you'll be fu**ing pissed off if you get brake fade there geeza. Well, pissed off at the fact you have no brakes, or pissed off that you hit the armco.

It's hassle, but well worth it.