e30 prices

[Simon13]

i dunno i'm a paid up member so fook the haters

[steve_k]

all this rowing about alpina,

what about the daddies? hartge???

[bss325i]

all this rowing about alpina,

what about the daddies? hartge???

Epic bulkhead bodgery!

[steve_k]

all this rowing about alpina,

what about the daddies? hartge???

Epic bulkhead bodgery!

well there is that

but they did build some of the best engines for e30's

[bss325i]

all this rowing about alpina,

what about the daddies? hartge???

Epic bulkhead bodgery!

well there is that

but they did build some of the best engines for e30's

Other than the S14/M88/S38 engined stuff, all Hartges Engines are near identical spec to Alpina engines.

[steve_k]

Epic bulkhead bodgery!

well there is that

but they did build some of the best engines for e30's

Other than the S14/M88/S38 engined stuff, all Hartges Engines are near identical spec to Alpina engines.

forgot about that

[87mtech27]

Are the early Alpinas put together by TWR considered the real deal?

As much as a Sytner built car.

I consider Sytner cars proper Alpinas cars only confused about TWR as there is a E21 335i on another forum and the owner was adamant it's a TWR not Alpina despite having the full kit and rimz etc.

[bss325i]

Are the early Alpinas put together by TWR considered the real deal?

As much as a Sytner built car.

I consider Sytner cars proper Alpinas cars only confused about TWR as there is a E21 335i on another forum and the owner was adamant it's a TWR not Alpina despite having the full kit and rimz etc.

TWR were the Alpina UK concessionairs up to 1983 before Sytner took over. All UK sold RHD E21 Alpinas were TWR cars.

There were proper E28 B9 3.5'a sold by TWR but that E21 335i was not an official Alpina model, the only E21's that were, was the C1 2.3 and LHD only B6 2.8.

TWR offered the 240bhp E28 B9 engine as a conversion for the E21 as well as the 210 bhp 2.8.

[87mtech27]

I see what you mean I think ... Since Alpina themselves didn't offer a E21 '335i' or E21 'B6 3.5' model (the E21 335i being aTWR idea) and without Alpina Buchloe blessing it was therefore not an Alpina car rather a E21 tuned by TWR with Alpina parts.

BTW am I correct in considering SA 333i and 325iS Alpina cars?

[bss325i]

Exactly right regards the E21 335i.

As for the SA E30 333i and 325iS, no they are not Alpina cars, they were designed by BMW SA with the help of Alpina and BMW Motorsport.

The 333i uses many parts from the pre sept '87 B6 3.5 and the 325iS used the C2/B3 2.7 engine.

[B7]

Barry. Are you on holiday or what? Bugger off and enjoy it! a˜ƒ

[bss325i]

Just landed at Gatwick mate!

[87mtech27]

Thanks for clearing that up

[e30topless]

Exactly right regards the E21 335i.

As for the SA E30 333i and 325iS, no they are not Alpina cars, they were designed by BMW SA with the help of Alpina and BMW Motorsport.

The 333i uses many parts from the pre sept '87 B6 3.5 and the 325iS used the C2/B3 2.7 engine.

Barry, who are you to decide that ?

the 333i has many more Alpina parts than any UK built C2 ever had, or the euro B3 for that matter, in the UK did we see a 325i with a factory installed 3.2 M30 ?

nope we just got a 325i with extra's to make them sell hence the 325i sport, it's nothing but a sales gimmick or it was back when i was a kid staring through the window of my local dealer”¦

the C2 was a smaller step up the ladder, with it's stroked donk

fact is.. SA got more as far as 3 series were sold.. they were making up for the loss of the M3 they weren't allowed to have for legal reasons”¦

[e30topless]

all this rowing about alpina,

what about the daddies? hartge???

Hartge weren't aiming towards luxury cars, their input was to go fast and something they did very, very well, sadly they didn't fit in well with BMW's plans at that time ..

check out the H36 M3 with an M5 engine it was purely mental 20 some years ago”¦ the b6s could never catch it, they made BMW look silly with their own products..

Alpina on the other hand did make nice spoilers”¦.

[steve_k]

all this rowing about alpina,

what about the daddies? hartge???

Hartge weren't aiming towards luxury cars, their input was to go fast and something they did very, very well, sadly they didn't fit in well with BMW's plans at that time ..

check out the H36 M3 with an M5 engine it was purely mental 20 some years ago”¦ the b6s could never catch it, they made BMW look silly with their own products..

Alpina on the other hand did make nice spoilers”¦.

i see your point steve totally, just wondered why everyone raves on about alpina's when there a re a few others out there,

also the reason why i have a hartge 2.7 ready to go into my sport, dare to be different

[87mtech27]

Hartge is more wild with their engine mods as they don't have to worry too much about BMW warranty (as you'd lose it anyway with Hartge).

I have a magazine article which pitched the Alpina C2 2.7 vs Hartge H27 and iirc the Hartge was considered to be more lively (due wilder cam or tune can't remember which).

[bss325i]

Exactly right regards the E21 335i.

As for the SA E30 333i and 325iS, no they are not Alpina cars, they were designed by BMW SA with the help of Alpina and BMW Motorsport.

The 333i uses many parts from the pre sept '87 B6 3.5 and the 325iS used the C2/B3 2.7 engine.

Barry, who are you to decide that ?

the 333i has many more Alpina parts than any UK built C2 ever had, or the euro B3 for that matter, in the UK did we see a 325i with a factory installed 3.2 M30 ?

Eh? How is it me hat has decided that?!

I thought even you would know by know the story of how the 333i came about and the 325iS for that matter.

They are not official Alpina cars and that's a fact, not something I've decided!

Yes the 333i uses some Alpina parts which I said and was developed with the help of Alpina like i said although it doesn't have an Alpina engine save for the exhaust, Inlet and some instalation parts.

And the 325iS only had the Alpina engine.

And as for the UK not seeing a factory installed M30 well of course not, we got the M3 and it's because SA never got the M3 why the 333i and 325i came about.

There were a handful of M30 Powered Alpinas sold new in the UK though.

[Simon13]

Epic bollocks as per usual Mr Topless

[jamie-o-connell]

Exactly right regards the E21 335i.

As for the SA E30 333i and 325iS, no they are not Alpina cars, they were designed by BMW SA with the help of Alpina and BMW Motorsport.

The 333i uses many parts from the pre sept '87 B6 3.5 and the 325iS used the C2/B3 2.7 engine.

Barry, who are you to decide that ?

the 333i has many more Alpina parts than any UK built C2 ever had, or the euro B3 for that matter, in the UK did we see a 325i with a factory installed 3.2 M30 ?

Eh? How is it me hat has decided that?!

I thought even you would know by know the story of how the 333i came about and the 325iS for that matter.

They are not official Alpina cars and that's a fact, not something I've decided!

Yes the 333i uses some Alpina parts which I said and was developed with the help of Alpina like i said although it doesn't have an Alpina engine save for the exhaust, Inlet and some instalation parts.

And the 325iS only had the Alpina engine.

And as for the UK not seeing a factory installed M30 well of course not, we got the M3 and it's because SA never got the M3 why the 333i and 325i came about.

There were a handful of M30 Powered Alpinas sold new in the UK though.

why didnt SA get the m3?

[bss325i]

Barry, who are you to decide that ?

the 333i has many more Alpina parts than any UK built C2 ever had, or the euro B3 for that matter, in the UK did we see a 325i with a factory installed 3.2 M30 ?

Eh? How is it me hat has decided that?!

I thought even you would know by know the story of how the 333i came about and the 325iS for that matter.

They are not official Alpina cars and that's a fact, not something I've decided!

Yes the 333i uses some Alpina parts which I said and was developed with the help of Alpina like i said although it doesn't have an Alpina engine save for the exhaust, Inlet and some instalation parts.

And the 325iS only had the Alpina engine.

And as for the UK not seeing a factory installed M30 well of course not, we got the M3 and it's because SA never got the M3 why the 333i and 325i came about.

There were a handful of M30 Powered Alpinas sold new in the UK though.

why didnt SA get the m3?

From what I can gather, import duties are very high in SA so they have their own factory, plant Roslyn to make normal series production models and I guess the limited number of sales that the M3 would have brought was not enough to justify production.

They never got the full E30 convertible either only the Baur conversion.

Oddly though they did get 96 E28 M5's but I guess these were easy to facilitate as they were standard bodied cars unlike an M3.

SA has always had oddball versions of European cars, 3.0 V6 cortinas, v8 capris and sierras, E12 5 series with complete E28 interiors and some odd VW stuff as well, all built in SA.

[DanThe]

Remember the M52 freeloaders?

[pacerpete]

Remember the M52 freeloaders?

IIRC , it was the Offender that had a M52 in it. What a waste , of an engine

[driftmaster808]

they were still manufacturing the MK 1 golf up to a few years ago - always wondered if there is a market for those over hear as you can pick up ones quite cheap at the mo with the pounds vs rand rate.

they have mordern interiors

[pacerpete]

Alas, the Golfs are all 5 doors = worthless , poorly built rusty scrap to all but the saddest most deluded dubscum.

[steve_k]

Alas, the Golfs are all 5 doors = worthless , poorly built rusty scrap to all but the saddest most deluded dubscum.

but pete, it's a "rabbit" & being a 5 door, rusty, thrown together at 4-45pm on a friday means its the most sought after model, scene points innit??

[pacerpete]

Most dubbers look like they have a 'Rabbit' up them or is that just the way they walk ?
Serial scenester Bab will be along shortly to confirm !

[steve_k]

Most dubbers look like they have a 'Rabbit' up them or is that just the way they walk ?
Serial scenester Bab will be along shortly to confirm !

thats why the gusset on their skinny fit jeans hangs so low

will be interesting to see what bab has to say

[pacerpete]

Most dubbers look like they have a 'Rabbit' up them or is that just the way they walk ?
Serial scenester Bab will be along shortly to confirm !

thats why the gusset on their skinny fit jeans hangs so low

will be interesting to see what bab has to say

Bab is more a Richmond sausages kind of guy

[steve_k]

Most dubbers look like they have a 'Rabbit' up them or is that just the way they walk ?
Serial scenester Bab will be along shortly to confirm !

thats why the gusset on their skinny fit jeans hangs so low

will be interesting to see what bab has to say

Bab is more a Richmond sausages kind of guy

frozen for extra "purchase" i take it??

[bab-91]

Most dubbers look like they have a 'Rabbit' up them or is that just the way they walk ?
Serial scenester Bab will be along shortly to confirm !

thats why the gusset on their skinny fit jeans hangs so low

will be interesting to see what bab has to say

Bab is more a Richmond sausages kind of guy

I should probably wash the Richmond out of the Disastras carpet before it goes to it's new home but I won't.

As for the VAG scene, they put anything up there. They're complete animals.

[Gert_8]

Most dubbers look like they have a 'Rabbit' up them or is that just the way they walk ?
Serial scenester Bab will be along shortly to confirm !

thats why the gusset on their skinny fit jeans hangs so low

will be interesting to see what bab has to say

Bab is more a Richmond sausages kind of guy

You do him a disservice, Sir - he can take a well hung Salami.

*fooking executive coont now!!

[bab-91]

thats why the gusset on their skinny fit jeans hangs so low

will be interesting to see what bab has to say

Bab is more a Richmond sausages kind of guy

You do him a disservice, Sir - he can take a well hung Salami.

********** executive coont now!!

Maybe but tackling you with salami would be like throwing a sausage up the motorway.

It is true, my good man, one has arrived.