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Post Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:21 am

HairyScreech wrote:Did a little bit of checking when I got home, one of the issues with the e36 bits is the steering angles, which is largely affected by the width to wheel base ratio.

Constructing a few lines from the track width to the center point of the rear axle and checking the angle they produce gives me.

E30 - 30.61 deg included angle.
E36 M3 - 29.51 deg included angle.
E46 - 30.86 deg included angle.

Now provided that these cars are set up for neutral scrub radii then the e46 hubs might solve the steering angle issues.
That is given the castor etc works out as well.
It does look like castor may be better with the e46 stuff too. E36 stub axle suts just behind the strut line whereas an e46 stub axle sits just about on the strut line.

Other potential issues are - how much, if any, would it increase the front track width? Would that result in clearance probs - particularly in my case using 15mm spacers to clear the brakes. And would there be sufficient suspension travel using e46 struts or would they be riding the bump stops all the time? Albeit perhaps less of an issue if using coilovers.

I may yet mock something up whilst I'm too skint for track days to see if I can answer some of these questions.
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Post Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:55 am

I found a link where Gunni had thrown some e46 bits on with concentric bushes and e30 arms.
It sat a bit back in the arch, but looked like an eccentric bush might have solved it and would have made an eccentric bushed car look normal rather than with the wheels pushed to the front of the arch.

Front track width looked normal on that thing, the extra track of the e46 is in the lower arm. (about an inch longer.)
One of the guys in NZ put a whole E46 suspension into a PFL e30, the wishbone pickups were unmodified and the track ended up a lot wider. However that was using the e46 lower arms and he did report that it had sharp turn in and oversteer which would be a result of the geometry being set for a longer car (as the hub width was maintained but the wheel base was not).

The above brings me to the big question which is camber, if we pull the hubs in then the camber will go more positive, which might be a good thing for an eccentric bushed lowered car (about -2.5 deg camber) Or it could end up positive if it goes too far.
Not the biggest end of the world as can be corrected with the strut top independent of other variables and there may be a way around it with the hub.

Strut length is less of an issue as the knuckle and strut are 2 parts, so struts can be cherry picked for the right length. (think easy coilovers).

Oh forgot to add I have a pair of E46 knuckles in the garage atm, I will take a look at the weekend as i'm working on my 5 stud at the moment.

Double edit - Secured a shell to mock it up on as well so might take a look over christmas.
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Post Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:51 am

Going to order the 42 draft design adapters this weekend, had an email saying it's 20% off this weekend! Get in.

Just thought, how much would import duty be from US?
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Post Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:49 pm

Okay cheers. Before I order them, just want to double check.

I've got a set of e39 style 5's which are 16x7j et20. So for the 42 Draft Design adapters, I'd be best going with 18mm adapters with a 74mm centre ring?

18mm adapters would take the ET to 2, would this poke like mad? Struggling to get my head round this
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Post Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:12 pm

It will look sick, especially with stretched linlong triangles :)

E30 15 inch BBS are et24 and 7j, so compared to those the outer edge of the wheel will be 22mm further out, I expect it will put the tyre on the rear arch lip. With my standard 15 inch BBS wheels and a 20mm spacer I had to roll the rear arches quite a bit
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Post Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:05 am

Are you sure they are E39 wheels?

E39 style 5s were 17x8 and et 20, E38s were 16x7 and ET23.

E39s are the only cars to use a 74mm centre bore.
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Post Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:10 am

Other way round according to http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/ - e39 16x7 et20 - e38 16x8 et23
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Post Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:24 am

Check the wheels to be sure, the diameter, width and ET will be stamped on the wheel rim somewhere :)

Alternatively check real oem. The wheel specs are on there too, provided you know for certain which kind of wheel it is - perhaps measure the centre bore with a pair of calipers.
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Post Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:23 am

RobWill116 wrote:Other way round according to http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/ - e39 16x7 et20 - e38 16x8 et23
Guess this very much depends which style 5s we are talking about, even e30 bbs are listed as style 5s.
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Post Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:26 pm

Stamped 7jx16 H2 BMW IS20 Part no. 1092336
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Post Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:21 pm

BMWfans says E39 from the part number so should be 74mm CB.

I was thinking of the 17" split style 5s.
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Post Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:58 pm

After some thinking I've decided not to go down the adapter route, for the cost of the wheels and adapters I can find a decent 4x100 set up.

I'm tempted with either the Klutch SL1 16's staggered setup below or save up a bit more for some alpinas.

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