Rolling Road thread! NOW WITH PRELIMINARY RESULTS!!!

[jonbuoy]

Yes that's right mate, mine was really poor so i'm not gonna imbarrass myself with what was at the wheels

wanna buy my 2,5 lump u saw in that tourer today...??? i can even fit it for u if u want....

i feel the need for a 3,5 in this tourer!

How much would you charge for all that geese?

[andyp]

i wish someone had phoned me and told me about this, never mind next time count me in.

[andyp]

jon did you get the pic that we resized for you, i did email it to you.

[Karan]

anymore pics from this?

[jonbuoy]

jon did you get the pic that we resized for you, i did email it to you.

Yes mate but for some reason imageshack would'nt host it, something about the message not done propperly or something???? Thanx for doing it tho mate, looks alot better, just wish i could use it.

[andyp]

try it again and if it dont work post up here wot it says

[M5pilot]

Drift Slag has got superb power! Just to add, its not bone stock, its got a K&N Induction kit and a Scorpion DTM back box.

So happy to see Jim's car breaking the 200bhp barrier!

Karan thinks its slow but it aint much slower than the GUG in the real world.

Pete E30's Tourer also made very impressive figures finally! Thats a big jump cause it used to make around 160'ish.

[6potWil6pot]

My own experience with the mighty drift slag is that its noticeably than my old 24v powerhouse (which is slower than GUG) but only top end/silly speeds as youd expect from a SOHC engine.

Still its quite a nice little car, wish i had one of my own to punt around!

[Jimbob]

At that price Wil u have no excuses

welcome back to e30's lol

[PeteE30Tourer]

Pete E30's Tourer also made very impressive figures finally! Thats a big jump cause it used to make around 160'ish.

You're right there Sal - i'm well chuffed! The last time at Bexleys it only managed 159bhp with a torque figure of around 160. So it's jumped up 19bhp and torque has increased by 16 too. Although i have had a ported head and Dbilas cam fitted since the last run, i think a lot of the increase is down to the new chip that Ant provided - that made a very noticeable difference to the way it drove after fitting the head and cam. It's not over-fuelling like it was at Bexleys, so that had to be the key to lost power before. It's more economical now too

[M5pilot]

Porting the head was a good idea Pete and that Dbilas cam really does seem to be as good as the equivalent Schrick. Where did you buy it from and how much?

Finally the black Tourer has some grunt!

[M5pilot]

My own experience with the mighty drift slag is that its noticeably than my old 24v powerhouse (which is slower than GUG) but only top end/silly speeds as youd expect from a SOHC engine.

Still its quite a nice little car, wish i had one of my own to punt around!

The red 24V car was easily as fast as GUG, it just felt slower because it was much quieter and smoother. If the GUG was quicker it was only very marginal.........I said this when I drove it back to back against the GUG @ Cafe.

[PeteE30Tourer]

Porting the head was a good idea Pete and that Dbilas cam really does seem to be as good as the equivalent Schrick. Where did you buy it from and how much?

Finally the black Tourer has some grunt!

Porting of the head was courtesy of 327icabriolet who i bought it from. The cam came from L&S Cartek in Germany (via German ebay) and cost 289 euros (approx Ԛ£200) and a further 149 euros (approx Ԛ£100) for the uprated springs.

I'm really pleased with the way the car drives now and to have the figures to prove it is a bonus. What surprised me though is that my torque figure was only 8ftlbs less that the 2.7 there and only 20 down on Adam's car, though i dont mean to dismiss their excellent figures.

[6potWil6pot]

My own experience with the mighty drift slag is that its noticeably than my old 24v powerhouse (which is slower than GUG) but only top end/silly speeds as youd expect from a SOHC engine.

Still its quite a nice little car, wish i had one of my own to punt around!

The red 24V car was easily as fast as GUG, it just felt slower because it was much quieter and smoother. If the GUG was quicker it was only very marginal.........I said this when I drove it back to back against the GUG @ Cafe.

The GUG is quicker from low down than the old M50 atleast, M20s seem to have a bit more low down torque esp that one But once moving there wasnt much in it, as we've raced a few times on various roads

Im planning my holiday right now so i cant research getting a Drift Slag, got enough to do

[PeteE30Tourer]

Allow me to be the first to post my graph up:



Looks like i was selling myself short on torque - on closer inspection of the graph, i reckon it's 187ftlbs not 186 - thought it felt like more than that!

[M5pilot]

Nice Torque curve.

You would have thought the cam would have given a reduction in bottom end torque but it hasnt.

I bet your car is alot quicker than it used to be.

[Jhonno]

0.2 of a litre extra capacity isnt gonna make a shit load of difference tbh, it just helps get them extra few ponies

[M5pilot]

Totally agree, I found this out when going up against a well tuned 325i sport (dynoed at 180bhp) in my old C2 which had 200bhp. There wasnt alot in it at all!

It takes massive amounts of extra power to out accelerate another car. 20 bhp just isnt going to allow you to dissapear into the horizon. You need more like 40+ bhp to make a real difference on the road.

[Jimbob]

I'll post up my graph when I get home (dont have webspace details at work, and no scanner at home )

I'm just chuffed I managed to breach the 200 barrier, the bloke said I should see another 5-10bhp if I was to sort the fuelling out.
My torque curve is well flat at peak torque as well!!

[Jhonno]

lookin at them results im suprised by Simons!!! whats his spec? Has he done a compression check?

[Davenotouring]

It takes massive amounts of extra power to out accelerate another car. 20 bhp just isnt going to allow you to dissapear into the horizon. You need more like 40+ bhp to make a real difference on the road.

This is pretty much true!

I don't know about 40+ bhp, but probably 20+bhp. Relatively normal cars can keep up with faster ones if really caned!

[Jhonno]

yeah its very true - 20bhp would make a difference but you need alot to anihalate another car..

[Davenotouring]

Simons car had bad fuelling.

He did make 0.8bhp more than me though.

But he has almost a litre extra capacity!!

[E30Adam]

So happy to see Jim's car breaking the 200bhp barrier!

Karan thinks its slow but it aint much slower than the GUG in the real world.

I wouldn't say slow, I thinkt hat's pretty good considering the engine hasn't had any proper mapping. 3bhp lower than mine which has the MAF conversion, has been properly mapped and has 100cc's more I think is bloody good. Once it's properly tuned it will be an absolute monster of a car.

I remember when I put my 2.8 in and had it dyno'd before tuning and it was only getting 180something bhp and then 196 when I revertd back to the M20 AFM from the M30 one. It had a lot less torque though before the remap.

[PeteE30Tourer]

It takes massive amounts of extra power to out accelerate another car. 20 bhp just isnt going to allow you to dissapear into the horizon. You need more like 40+ bhp to make a real difference on the road.

This is pretty much true!

I don't know about 40+ bhp, but probably 20+bhp. Relatively normal cars can keep up with faster ones if really caned!

This might explain why i often embarass other "higher spec" cars away from the lights in my wife's 1.6l Scenic - they never expect it, but they certainly dont like it!

[Karan]

So happy to see Jim's car breaking the 200bhp barrier!

Karan thinks its slow but it aint much slower than the GUG in the real world.

I wouldn't say slow, I thinkt hat's pretty good considering the engine hasn't had any proper mapping. 3bhp lower than mine which has the MAF conversion, has been properly mapped and has 100cc's more I think is bloody good. Once it's properly tuned it will be an absolute monster of a car.

I remember when I put my 2.8 in and had it dyno'd before tuning and it was only getting 180something bhp and then 196 when I revertd back to the M20 AFM from the M30 one. It had a lot less torque though before the remap.

wait a minute i never said Jims was slow!!!! i said my tourer was shit slow compared to my sport and it really is!!!!

[E30Adam]

So happy to see Jim's car breaking the 200bhp barrier!

Karan thinks its slow but it aint much slower than the GUG in the real world.

I wouldn't say slow, I thinkt hat's pretty good considering the engine hasn't had any proper mapping. 3bhp lower than mine which has the MAF conversion, has been properly mapped and has 100cc's more I think is bloody good. Once it's properly tuned it will be an absolute monster of a car.

I remember when I put my 2.8 in and had it dyno'd before tuning and it was only getting 180something bhp and then 196 when I revertd back to the M20 AFM from the M30 one. It had a lot less torque though before the remap.

wait a minute i never said Jims was slow!!!! i said my tourer was sh*t slow compared to my sport and it really is!!!!

LOL... I guess you could say I got the wrong end of the stick then

Appologies.

[Karan]

I wouldn't say slow, I thinkt hat's pretty good considering the engine hasn't had any proper mapping. 3bhp lower than mine which has the MAF conversion, has been properly mapped and has 100cc's more I think is bloody good. Once it's properly tuned it will be an absolute monster of a car.

I remember when I put my 2.8 in and had it dyno'd before tuning and it was only getting 180something bhp and then 196 when I revertd back to the M20 AFM from the M30 one. It had a lot less torque though before the remap.

wait a minute i never said Jims was slow!!!! i said my tourer was sh*t slow compared to my sport and it really is!!!!

LOL... I guess you could say I got the wrong end of the stick then

Appologies.

ive had the pleasure of being in 2 stock c2s and i have to say Jims car is faster

[E30Adam]

Of course it is

All part of the secret recipie!!

[Davenotouring]

All part of the secret recipie!!

What is it?

Cough medicine?

[Simon13]

no he said it's over fueling a bit on the top end, probably the chip.

Why do i need a compression check?!

I was dissapointed as i thought it would make stock as it drives so well. Nevermind back to the drawing board...........................

[6potWil6pot]

It takes massive amounts of extra power to out accelerate another car. 20 bhp just isnt going to allow you to dissapear into the horizon. You need more like 40+ bhp to make a real difference on the road.

This is pretty much true!

I don't know about 40+ bhp, but probably 20+bhp. Relatively normal cars can keep up with faster ones if really caned!

Thats true, the Tourer slag pulls away from the Puma but only slowly

[Jimbob]

On closer inspection that looks like 196lb/ft torque to me

Standalone anyone?

[Jhonno]

no he said it's over fueling a bit on the top end, probably the chip.

Why do i need a compression check?!

I was dissapointed as i thought it would make stock as it drives so well. Nevermind back to the drawing board...........................

whats the spec on urs? i only said that as i thought it was slightly modded and making less than stock..

[Simon13]

just a chip and a pina system tis all.