best e30 for a 17yr olds first car ?

[stonesie]

If you must have a E30 then as has been said many times, get a small engined one and leave the thing alone untill you get some no claimes discount and learn how to drive properly.

Passing your test really is a minimum standard and most new drivers forget all the important stuff and drive like total retards, add that to RWD and a greasy road and your in for pain when you run out of talent. Thats why they get raped for insurance on all but the least powerful, and cheapest to cobble back together cars.

[djk]

I'm 17, for my 316i I was paying £2049 a year TPFT under my mums name, shes got 5 years NCB 3 points and 1 claim in the last 5 years, this has gone up to £2173 per year for my 318i

Yamaha1, just buy something dog slow and thrash the knackers off it until you've got older and lucked into some NCB. I know I'll get grief for saying it, but there really is no point in a quick road car - get a formula ford and go racing if you feel you've got something to prove.

TBH, it ain't rocket science, your insurance will be higher the more powerful your car because you're more likely to have an accident, and you want that even less than the insurance company does, trust me.

[stevotheevo]

why not get one of your parents to insure it under a classic policy and add your name to it.

im not sure if this is possible but worth ago.

also dont bother tuning a 316/318, its totally pointless save your pounds, you've plenty of years ahead of you for that.

[stevotheevo]

christ, i sound like my dad

[Gibson]

Dont bother... buy a pug 205 1.4Xs, they are great fun, worth fuck all and easy to insure. then buy a real car when you can afford one... ie a six pot

[Alex]

you ownt get insured by adrian flux at 17, only company who is realistic is Quinn Direct, i had my 316i m40 insured last year for 1200 3rd party.

that would have been as provisional tho, mine was 1200 but when i told them i had passed the wanted an extra 1000 i wish i never told them now

[Joshy]

Try Quinn Direct. They not only seem to be the cheapest for me on any reasonable car that fits into their requirements (1,600cc or smaller, 1988+), but a 316i works out no more expensive than any other car mentioned in this thread.

And for the love of god don't bother invalidating your insurance policy for a poxy M40. Sort the chassis and leave it at that.

I'd also suggest a Touring over a 2dr.

[Tommo32]

Christ alive man. I think 306 d turbo's are group five, ford ka's are like group three. The nissan Micra 1.0l 16v is a cracking car, cheap and you wont be tempted to waste money 'tuning' it like you seem to be determined to do to your E30.

Spend the rest on beer, a gym and forget about fast cars for a while. Contrary to the image Max Power etc try and pedal, cars dont get you laid. Gym's and beer get you laid. At 17 you need to get your priorities straight and it's all about 16 year old girls.......

(disclaimer: I'm 26 now so obviously I've moved onto 19 year old girls........)

jeasus christ. am i the last person alive that drives cars that I LIKE and not cars that everyone else likes. i drive a 20 year old land rover, you think girls like that???? do i look like i care???? girls and cars are SEPERATE ISSUES, both as expensive as each other. let him get an e30 because maybe HE likes them and isnt just getting it to pose.

[Alex]

I'm 17, for my 316i I was paying £2049 a year TPFT under my mums name, shes got 5 years NCB 3 points and 1 claim in the last 5 years, this has gone up to £2173 per year for my 318i

Yamaha1, just buy something dog slow and thrash the knackers off it until you've got older and lucked into some NCB. I know I'll get grief for saying it, but there really is no point in a quick road car - get a formula ford and go racing if you feel you've got something to prove.

TBH, it ain't rocket science, your insurance will be higher the more powerful your car because you're more likely to have an accident, and you want that even less than the insurance company does, trust me.

im 17 and i totally agree at least get 1 year no claims with something cheap to insure

[yamaha1]

am fuck getting it to pose i had a 320i as a field car and i had a 205 gti
the e30 was better

[Alex]

am **** getting it to pose i had a 320i as a field car and i had a 205 gti
the e30 was better

It Would Be RWD

[Dave_M3]

I'd pick a 205GTi anyday over s 316i or 318i.
Friend got a 205GTi 1600 same time I got my 316.

Well apart from when his car broke down
I felt I had bought the wrong car for the whole year... Sure I could have got some stiffer shocks, springs and arbs but I just wanted to save them until I got an iS.

Even now, the 205 still feels great to drive.
The Pug is also more discreet which doesn't get the attention from the cops as much as "Oh, look here's a young fella in a BMW and so on"

318iS is the one to go for if your not restricted to 1.6 or less.
Can be kept totally standard yet be a hoot to drive

[Jon_Bmw]

If you are feeling particularly sad, buy a 309 gri. Same 115bhp engine as the 205 1.6 gti but a lot cheaper to insure.

Why am I answering this post??? There will be a near identicle new one posted in a few minutes by Mr yamaha.

[siddiqi1]

got a girl friend and im on the local cycle team doing tt's with 21yr olds

good on ya mate!

buddy please dont take this as a grilling; no one here is trying to put you off as such; your at the E30ZONE, the more the merrier. However its more of the financial factor that plays such a big role with the E30.

i will upset some here; but im saying it nonethless, the E30 is a money stealer; it will use a lot of your money; your time is your time; not for us to say how to spend that; but i know E30s take a l;ot of money to get them just right; due to lack of maintanence shall we say from possibly previous owners and the porr girl being almost 20yrs old!!

Im 21 myslef; much like yourself; wanted a 325i Sport; end of, no ifs no buts; i wanted it! So off i went; f the insurance im buying that car even if i have to look at it and not drive it! Lukily i moved to a different area around the same time and my insurance was cheaper, wait for it than a 1.4 MK4 POLO! how i dont know!!!

If you feel you have enough finance arranged for insurance tax brakes parts labour and so forth then thats a cracking first car; but just take it in to consideration!

Also; having RWD as your fiorst car; god your setting your futre car becnhmark high!!!not much else will satisfy mate!!!!!

sorry about the lecture!!! good luck anyway with finding the car!!!! and be safe!!!!too many youngsters driving far too fast, just be careful!!

[gareth]

well, my first car was a 1300 mk2 escort (RWD of course ) closely followed by a E30 318i (for a few months) then a mk2 escort RS2000 x-pack with 180bhp.
if you're going to stay with RWD cars in the long run, starting with one will train your instincts to RWDness which will make you a much safer driver when you do get something fast and RWD.

still depends on what you can afford to pay the insurance companies though... not a lot of cheap to insure RWD stuff out there any more as the days of solid £200 RWD escorts and the like are long gone

[yamaha1]

cheers guys right well ive posted a bit on trampdrift and such and im still consdering a e30 but there in the same insurance group as some 2 litre cars. then again i might get something of fwd rongness 106 rallye or summat and buy a decent powerd bmw and make it so when i can afford to insure it .. i have it

[Blitz]

Just checked on moneysupermarket.com

Comprehensive
Main driver: 5 years NCB
Named driver: Me


£500 car worth 316i
£1161.99 RAC excess £520

[gareth]

is this a bad time to sya my 335i on coilovers with alloys, exhaust, brakes, etc etc all fiddles with costs me £300 fully comp















sorry

[siddiqi1]

this a bad time to sya my 335i on coilovers with alloys, exhaust, brakes, etc etc all fiddles with costs me £300 fully comp

prooove it!!! i dont belive a word of that.......i really hope not........

[Joshy]

is this a bad time to sya my 335i on coilovers with alloys, exhaust, brakes, etc etc all fiddles with costs me £300 fully comp

How old are you (if you don't mind me asking)

And as I've said on TrampDrift, insurance group means pretty much nothing, at least at this age.

[gareth]

i don't have anything to prove
married (well, til the divorce goes through anyway!), decent-ish area, no points, 28 years old, only 1 claim ever which was 6 years ago and with adrian flux - who seem to reduce my premium every time i modify the thing!

a do feel for younger drivers these days though. when i started driving, i paid £500 fully comp on the 1300 escort then a year later £850 tpft on the RS2000, with all mods declared and 3 points! young drivers get a raw deal these days

[Blitz]

Quinn want £724 third party, fire and theft, no excess. Named driver listed as main driver. NCB protected.

Used Gocompare.

[fuzzy]

at 17 my apprentice at work couldnt even get a quote on even a 1.6 or 1.8 and could only get quoted on upto a 1.2 or 1.3 iirc. he ended up with a 1 litre corsa and was still paying £1500+ a year for insurance.
theres no way around it,experience and no claims is the only way although even though im 37 with 0 points and 4 years ncd i still pay between 500-600 for my cossied bmw.

[siddiqi1]

i really really really dont like you

joking buddy; thats just so not right in so many ways!

it defies logic!

[gareth]

i'm not complaining!

the wierd bit is the price dropping each time it 'evolves'! like a said a few pages back, my bro dropped his £3.2k premium to £1.5k ish by fitting a panel filter and strut braces. adrian flux again. he's 21, points, claim etc and driving a 2004 seat leon cupra. not that bad really. he was paying £1400 on a 1.6 diesel mk2 fiesta van!

[siddiqi1]

im going to seriously try these people, must be right loonies but well why not!

thanks for the tips! havent modfied mine apart from springs!!!but nonethless will tell them anyway!!!

[gareth]

give it a go!
regarding telling insurance companies about mods, a lot of folks keep quiet hopojg to keep the premium down. what's the point of paying the stooooooopid rates these days and then rendering the policy void? seems silly to me!
Adrian flux get you to fill out a modified vehicle report form with loads of detail required inc tyre sizes and everything. i usually fill both A4 side of it with minute details to be safe!

[maxfield]

316i/318i

Anything else, prepare some KY...

[Dave_M3]

Wonder if Adrian Flux do insurance for us Irish lads...

I'll easily put the track car on the road with them, lol.
With the rate your premium goes down Gareth, They'll nearly be paying me to drive the thing once I get going in modding it and by the time it's finished

[Blitz]

E36 316i seems to be the same price as the E30 (insurance)

[AlexBaur325]

Be patient mate...instead of buying a 316 and rinsing stupid money on insurance just buy something cheap for the first year or so...1L or less....get some no claims, then look at getting a proper car....



The wait WILL be worth it, honest

But if you just want to throw your money away, sure, get a 316

[Phill172]

honestly mate best bet is to wait a few years and get what you really want instead of a compromise, just build up your no claims. Im 20, my insurance on my Clio 2.0 with mods and my e30 tip balance at around £2000 for the year...

Try bell direct insurance, they have been really good, and also when your looking at insurance if you do a one of payment you can save a fortune!

I got myself a mint card credit card to do the one off payment, 0% on everything for a year, it saved me £900 in the long run, and i just put £150 in a month.

To be honest if you want a E30, i dont see why a 316 or 318 is going to much of a problem to insure.....just have a look around and try every single company, and quite often youll find that they will try and beat the competition, Monday mornings and friday evenings are the best times for a qoute, dont ask me why, they just always seem cheaper!

Good luck

[AlexBaur325]

Monday mornings and friday evenings are the best times for a qoute, dont ask me why, they just always seem cheaper!

...commission..good start and end to the week maybe

[Blitz]

I've just tried CIS insurance and its a massive £400 cheaper then any other qoute. (92 316i touring) Also the 190E is the same price.

[capri_rob]

I would hate to be 17 and insuring my first car now. Most I ever paid for insurance was £688 - on a 1.8 Cavalier SRi when I was 20.

AlexBaur325 speaks good sense - buy something cheap for a Year or so to get some NCD and then buy what you want ( you could even put the money you save in Yr1 towards a better E30 )