ATTN ALL----THE CHIP CHALLANGE

[Kos]

fair point for the comparison, but is john able to print out the power run??

[Kos]

This is getting tedious....

I thought the original challange/plan was a goodun...Irrespective of the gain being 15hp or 20hp...

As a prospective chip buyer I am/was interested in the result.

I spoke to Jay about a chip for my M3 at Gaydon and was advised not to bother as the gain would be insignificant.
However, I'm still interested in one for my 325 and the interest, from my perspective, is whether or not the gains are substantial and quantifiable...

How about you both stop posturing and get on with it?

the point is he claims 25hp at some point in the rev range not mentioning octane requierments, and he keeps back tracking from this and saying he can get 15hp when using 98 octane. when you read his adds he says these are UK chips where you can only get 98 octane from the pump, so basically its a lie, i doubt he could even get 10hp peak let alone 20hp anywhere in the rev range and keep the car drivable and pass an MOT on emmisions!!!

[agent006]

fair point for the comparison, but is john able to print out the power run??

Take a camera with you just in case. I've never seen a dyno that can't print results though, even really rubbish ones.

[Kos]

fair point for the comparison, but is john able to print out the power run??

Take a camera with you just in case. I've never seen a dyno that can't print results though, even really rubbish ones.

dont think he can, you need to see his rollers, work shop, dont get me wrong he's shit hot at setting up cars, that why he has rollers but it mainly to jun the car on and with out booking very expensive track time !!!

[Chaos]

redlines RR aint too good, john who runs it is very good at setting up carbs. personally i'd use power engineering in uxbridge. 5 mins from redline.

i think uve just blown any credibility u had m8.

PE are known throughtout the uk (and europe) for being a sh*t rolling road.
Wildly innacurate dyno runs, and p*ss poor work is the order of the day.

[Kos]

redlines RR aint too good, john who runs it is very good at setting up carbs. personally i'd use power engineering in uxbridge. 5 mins from redline.

i think uve just blown any credibility u had m8.

PE are known throughtout the uk (and europe) for being a sh*t rolling road.
Wildly innacurate dyno runs, and p*ss poor work is the order of the day.

work has been piss poor for the last few years, but their 4x4 dyno is pretty good, 2wd did/does have issues, superchips london are based there so i'd say its got to be good. when my2.5 on nos was RR, i took it there and also to amd, both gave similar figurers , PE showd 225 peak power, then amd's showed 223hp.
when it comes to rs turbos and merv the rr opperator they wereshit hot, but i'm not sure if he still work there.
i know where you are coming from and the point you make, but it just a sugestion. johns rollers at redline will only give power figuers to about 200bhp @ wheels, i put the 325i turbo dips built on them one day and we could not get a decent figure

anyway its not my credabiltity on the line here its jay/toureti/chipped uk

[Chaos]

heres an idea.

forget about all these bullsh*t money and eating sh*t stuff etc.

why dont we have an rr day at a renowned rolling road who have no links to Chipped Uk or Kos etc. At this day any e30 owner can run his or her car just like any other rr shootout - prob about Ԛ£30 odd per run

Then at some point during the day we cud have a virtually back to back run on the 318iS with and without Chipped Uk chip fitted.

If it doesnt make say 15bhp * anywhere in the rev range (a gains a gain wherever its made) then Chipped UK pays for both runs - eg before and after, plus say Ԛ£100 to charity and Ԛ£50 to kos for petrol costs etc. If it does make the claims then Kos pays for the runs, Ԛ£100 to charity and Ԛ£50 to Chipped uk for petrol costs etc.

All to be done on the same car, and with uk pump fuel.


* lets forget about the ebay claims, as has been pointed out everyone does it. And if chippeduk didnt then he likely wudnt get any business from there. And a 15bhp gain anywhere in the rev range is a decent gain, be it top end, bottom end or middle of the rev range.


this is a win win situation.
the zone gets an rr day.
chipped uk and kos get to settle their differences ammicably
and we all get to watch the cars on the rr.

oh and we can invite a mag down to do a report too - mention the bet and im sure one of the bmw mags will come (pref tbmw in my eyes and its much better and far less chav than pbmw)


Id suggest Interpro nr Bristol as a possible location.
they do sunday club shootout rr days - so most of us shud be able to attend - eg not working.
Easy to get to for everyone - as its nr the M4/M5 intersection
plenty of parking spaces
and loadsa room inside for everyone to watch.
And generally is well known to be a pretty accurate dyno

[stevetigger]

Yep, Bristol only two hours from me!!


LETS DO THIS BOYS

[Kos]

JAY
ARE WE ON OR WHAT, YOU BRING A CHIP DOWN I PUT SOME SUPERUNLEADED IN MY CAR AND DO A 2 POWER RUNS, BEFORE AND AFTER.
NO MONEY MO BULLSHIT

INDEPENDANT ROLLING ROAD, JOHN NOBLE SOUNDS GOOD BUT YOU PAY FOR THE USE OF IT AS ITS YOU WHO NEED TO CLEAR YOU NAME. IF YOU GET THE 20hp I'LL PAY FOR THE LOT. CHIP AND ROLLERS COST FOR 2 POWER RUNS.

HOWEVER REMEMER CAR MUST STILL BE SMOOH AND DRIVABLE WITH A DECENT MAX HP GAIN TO OF 12-15 HP AND NOT GO OTT ON EMISIONS, MUST BE ABLE TO BE MOT PASSABLE

exacly what i'm after!!!! jay/toureti/chipeed uk can come bring his chips and see what they can do on an 318is/320i/325i

i'll pay for my run, jay pay for his chipped runs

my point will be prooven when we all get to see what they cant do !!
the main point is why does he make bullshit claims, come 25hp!!!!! thats stupid, he's knocking 10hp off it now and blaming it on fuel octane whcih is never mention ANYWHERE
not to mention him sending out the wrong chips, thats if you are lucky to get one

[Chaos]

Yep, Bristol only two hours from me!!


LETS DO THIS BOYS

its a good location.
southwest, south, midlands, london and south wales can all get there easily and for similar sort of costs.

[kam-325i]

Yep, Bristol only two hours from me!!


LETS DO THIS BOYS

Can i scrounge a lift ?

[Kos]

Yep, Bristol only two hours from me!!


LETS DO THIS BOYS

Can i scrounge a lift ?

i want to, the whole zone wants to , but some one is hiding at the mo

[Chaos]

Yep, Bristol only two hours from me!!


LETS DO THIS BOYS

Can i scrounge a lift ?

i want to, the whole zone wants to , but some one is hiding at the mo

hes quotong my revised version of ur suggestion.
and lets be fair jayson/toureti wont likley have seen it yet.


so can i assume then that ud agree to what i suggested and the terms etc?

[stevetigger]

Yep, Bristol only two hours from me!!


LETS DO THIS BOYS

Can i scrounge a lift ?

If ya need too!!

[bootyman]

Kos i dont think J is hiding mate. I heard his mouth piece has been bared from the Zone, so he probably doesnt even know that this is going on. I still have his mobile number, so i will text him and tell him to have a look at this thread again using my login details to answer your challange, so if you see a replyn it will be from J and not me.

[bootyman]

As requested by Bootyman (thank you) I am up for this at any rolling road although I do have links with Interpro.

I have also contacted a magazine to cover the whole day so anyone brandishing rubbish will be found out quickly wether me or someone here !

I am more than happy to agree with anything yet Kos for the life of him wont let matters lye insisting that even after all of the rolling road runs done by forum members here AND magazines that my claim of 15hp is wrong even though tested in magazines i have had 17hp.

I dont want to get into deep argument here guys, I just wanna prove myself once and for all.

Remember, Kos has a few quid too lose, I have a massive operation and business I am gambling with here and I dont take that lightly !

[Fushion_Julz]

Hey guys, lets all take a chill-pill

I booked with Redline to get an idea, for myself and for Jay, what the power of the car is before chipping...

I don't really care if I can get a print out or not and I will try and take a picture of the max power and torque if he can't print anything.

I know Redline will be unbiased....

I don't know PE at all and it sounds as if they are best for 4x4 work....Only other place I know near me is Clifford Cox in Reading and I don't think he does print-outs either...These people (redline and CC) use rolling roads to set-up cars to get max power/torque/driveability so their figures are fairly accuarate.
Others I have seen/used sometimes over exagerate the figures giving higher than reality outputs.
This has a bearing on any claim...
If my car in reality produces (say) 150bhp at the wheels then 20hp will mean 170hp which is around 14%
If the RR shows that my car is producing (say again) 160hp then a 20hp increase is only about 12%

Re shootout:
A RR day is a fine idea...but there is one booked for Sunday week in Portsmouth, is there not?
But comparing different cars (albeit with the same motor) is not the same as comparing one car before and after fitting a chip...
Individual cars can vary wildly from the specification...the supposed factory spec for a 318is is IIRC 140bhp...
However, I'd be surprised to find one that gave exactly that "out of the box". It is more likely to find a range of 130-150bhp and then there is the "at the wheels" figure (which is what a RR actually measures)....

[Jon_Bmw]

heres an idea.

forget about all these bullsh*t money and eating sh*t stuff etc.

why dont we have an rr day at a renowned rolling road who have no links to Chipped Uk or Kos etc. At this day any e30 owner can run his or her car just like any other rr shootout - prob about Ԛ£30 odd per run

Then at some point during the day we cud have a virtually back to back run on the 318iS with and without Chipped Uk chip fitted.

If it doesnt make say 15bhp * anywhere in the rev range (a gains a gain wherever its made) then Chipped UK pays for both runs - eg before and after, plus say Ԛ£100 to charity and Ԛ£50 to kos for petrol costs etc. If it does make the claims then Kos pays for the runs, Ԛ£100 to charity and Ԛ£50 to Chipped uk for petrol costs etc.

All to be done on the same car, and with uk pump fuel.


* lets forget about the ebay claims, as has been pointed out everyone does it. And if chippeduk didnt then he likely wudnt get any business from there. And a 15bhp gain anywhere in the rev range is a decent gain, be it top end, bottom end or middle of the rev range.


this is a win win situation.
the zone gets an rr day.
chipped uk and kos get to settle their differences ammicably
and we all get to watch the cars on the rr.

oh and we can invite a mag down to do a report too - mention the bet and im sure one of the bmw mags will come (pref tbmw in my eyes and its much better and far less chav than pbmw)


Id suggest Interpro nr Bristol as a possible location.
they do sunday club shootout rr days - so most of us shud be able to attend - eg not working.
Easy to get to for everyone - as its nr the M4/M5 intersection
plenty of parking spaces
and loadsa room inside for everyone to watch.
And generally is well known to be a pretty accurate dyno

Right this seems like the most sensible suggestion in the thread. And from the below two responses seems like you are both up for it:

JAY
ARE WE ON OR WHAT, YOU BRING A CHIP DOWN I PUT SOME SUPERUNLEADED IN MY CAR AND DO A 2 POWER RUNS, BEFORE AND AFTER.
NO MONEY MO BULLSHIT

INDEPENDANT ROLLING ROAD, JOHN NOBLE SOUNDS GOOD BUT YOU PAY FOR THE USE OF IT AS ITS YOU WHO NEED TO CLEAR YOU NAME. IF YOU GET THE 20hp I'LL PAY FOR THE LOT. CHIP AND ROLLERS COST FOR 2 POWER RUNS.

HOWEVER REMEMER CAR MUST STILL BE SMOOH AND DRIVABLE WITH A DECENT MAX HP GAIN TO OF 12-15 HP AND NOT GO OTT ON EMISIONS, MUST BE ABLE TO BE MOT PASSABLE

exacly what i'm after!!!! jay/toureti/chipeed uk can come bring his chips and see what they can do on an 318is/320i/325i

i'll pay for my run, jay pay for his chipped runs

my point will be prooven when we all get to see what they cant do !!
the main point is why does he make bullshit claims, come 25hp!!!!! thats stupid, he's knocking 10hp off it now and blaming it on fuel octane whcih is never mention ANYWHERE
not to mention him sending out the wrong chips, thats if you are lucky to get one

and...

As requested by Bootyman (thank you) I am up for this at any rolling road although I do have links with Interpro.

I have also contacted a magazine to cover the whole day so anyone brandishing rubbish will be found out quickly wether me or someone here !

I am more than happy to agree with anything yet Kos for the life of him wont let matters lye insisting that even after all of the rolling road runs done by forum members here AND magazines that my claim of 15hp is wrong even though tested in magazines i have had 17hp.

I dont want to get into deep argument here guys, I just wanna prove myself once and for all.

Remember, Kos has a few quid too lose, I have a massive operation and business I am gambling with here and I dont take that lightly !

Right so as far as i can see all you need to do is agree on a place a date and a time and then all of us on the zone get to see whats what. Then one of you gets to eat humble pie and then there should be no mention of it from there onwards.

[Fushion_Julz]

Right people...

Just got back from Redline...

No printouts cos he hasn't got a printer set up and I'm not that bothered...

Result of a pre-fitting was 151bhp at the wheels...174bhp (ish) at the wheels...

John reckons it is running a bit lean for maximum power (which he reckons he could fix fairly quickly), but that is the baseline power figure...

[Kos]

the "revised terms" and lower power figure were insisted by jay to get himself out the dock !! when i added this topic to genereal chat he changed them so as not to look an arse, thats the point i'm making.
if his adds said "we expect about 12-15 in some place in the rev range with an increace in peak power using uk pump 98 octane, and his chip did this i'd be quite happy. i'm not a mug, i've been around cars all my life and know what a chip, re-map can do. thats the point as some people are not to clued up and are dissapointed by the product results service and after service of chipped uk.
but i want this day go to ahead to see what he can do. its not about money its the principal that some people get well and truly shafted by this guy. as i said i will pay for my power run, jay will pay for his "chiped" power run and my point will be prooven when he fails to show the power gains and figuers which he claims , point will be prooven. im not asking for 25hp its 20, which 20% less than he states he can get!!!!!

[Jon_Bmw]

Right people...

Just got back from Redline...

No printouts cos he hasn't got a printer set up and I'm not that bothered...

Result of a pre-fitting was 151bhp at the wheels...174bhp (ish) at the wheels...

John reckons it is running a bit lean for maximum power (which he reckons he could fix fairly quickly), but that is the baseline power figure...

Is the 174bhp at the flywheel?

[Jhonno]

Right people...

Just got back from Redline...

No printouts cos he hasn't got a printer set up and I'm not that bothered...

Result of a pre-fitting was 151bhp at the wheels...174bhp (ish) at the wheels...

John reckons it is running a bit lean for maximum power (which he reckons he could fix fairly quickly), but that is the baseline power figure...

Is the 174bhp at the flywheel?

i think thats what he meant

[Fushion_Julz]

oops...sorry...typo...

Thanks Jhonno

[bootyman]

Kos why are you so hostile to J? You can PM me if you want. I'm just interested to know. We've all established that J's figures of 25bhp increase is incorrect and he's said the real figure is around 15bhp to 20bhp. I can understand the point that he hasn't told the complete truth, but every manufacturer tweeks their bhp figures to an extent and is 5bhp off the real cliam that important?

If he fucks up your engine or takes you money and dont supply you with the goods then i can understand what all the fuss is about, but i'm struggling a bit to get my head around the fact that all this is for 5bhp, maybe 7bhp over quote in his advert

[Dan318-is]

id like to see an IS chip of jays even gain any horsepower

mine was slower misefired at high reves and overfuelled like shit, id be amazed if any power was gained. certianly wasnt noticable

[Chi99edUK]

id like to see an IS chip of jays even gain any horsepower

mine was slower misefired at high reves and overfuelled like shit, id be amazed if any power was gained. certianly wasnt noticable

As mentioned earlier in this thread, there was trouble with the first chips for th iS which is the same reason ant stopped doing them but after massive investment I got chips to work very well on all software codes from the 318iS.

If your in any way unhappy just email me and i will gladly supply one of the race chips we now stock completely free of charge.

msg for the mods:
I am not here to make trouble but just to clear up a few issues.
My only aim is to portray myself in the manner to which my company has grown, yes i made mistakes when i started but i never once ripped anyone off and everyone got there goods, it may of taken a while at first but everyone got there goods, it isnt fair that after 2 years the mods still allow untruth`s about me to remain when they know for fact that it isnt the truth.

I have no aim to sell chips and stop the zone shop selling them, in fact i prefer mapping too chipping as ant knows, and truthfully, i have no intention of making money off zone members,

My only interest is in proving my company as the market leader in bmw remaps.

[Dan318-is]

id like to see an IS chip of jays even gain any horsepower

mine was slower misefired at high reves and overfuelled like shit, id be amazed if any power was gained. certianly wasnt noticable

As mentioned earlier in this thread, there was trouble with the first chips for th iS which is the same reason ant stopped doing them but after massive investment I got chips to work very well on all software codes from the 318iS.

If your in any way unhappy just email me and i will gladly supply one of the race chips we now stock completely free of charge.

msg for the mods:
I am not here to make trouble but just to clear up a few issues.
My only aim is to portray myself in the manner to which my company has grown, yes i made mistakes when i started but i never once ripped anyone off and everyone got there goods, it may of taken a while at first but everyone got there goods, it isnt fair that after 2 years the mods still allow untruth`s about me to remain when they know for fact that it isnt the truth.

I have no aim to sell chips and stop the zone shop selling them, in fact i prefer mapping too chipping as ant knows, and truthfully, i have no intention of making money off zone members,

My only interest is in proving my company as the market leader in bmw remaps.

i bought the chip of u in about september this year!? that cant have been an early one? i am willing to try the race on if its free!

how much are rempas compared to chips

[Chi99edUK]

For obvious reasons i dont want to talk about any sales on the forum as i dont think it would be right but if you email me personally i will gladly send you a race chip for your car.

Also, as a sign of peace i am willing to give the zone the legal rights to my own mapping for the 318iS allowing the forum to generate extra income from the sales of this chip.

Now im trying to help here so it is a take it or leave it situation in that respect.

[Dan318-is]

double post whoops

[Chi99edUK]

You come to me, ill do it for free.

[Geeman]

I had a chip for my track 318iS from Jayson and it was great. No complaints from me. Coupled with a BBTB and a K&N induction kit, the car screamed!

Giles.

[Dan318-is]

Jason you have a PM

looks like im a guinea pig!

[tim_s]

i bought 318-is's chip from him. is brilliant for me. labelled viper 'extreme'. god knows what this means, but it is more tractable, better on part throttle at 3k ish revs and from 4k and above goes much better than before. doesn't appear to be running too rich or anything, plugs still fine. jason, if there's a newer map, i'd be interested to try it
Cheers
tim

[Dan318-is]

the weird thing is i sold tim_s the chip in my car!!

perhaps my new is mite respond better?

[Lordschleife]

So is that related to when the car was manufactured, or is it a bit random which chips work in which IS?
Out of interest what are the manufacture dates of your cars Dan and Tim?