2.7 Vs the Hot Hatches

[e36boy]

Someone sensible! I see you haven't become a full blown cult member yet then! If you had the you would swear blind that a 325i is a contender for any modern machinery and an E30 M3 is a full blow world beater......

Im a fan of most cars mate, Mostly BMW's but Lamboghini's if i could afford one would be my choice.

I have just bought a 325i sport but its no where near upto modern standards, I do love it though.

There are many other cars out there which are very good including Civic Type R's which i love and i'll probably get on when the new one comes out and prices drop on the current CTR.

Dont worry what other people on here say, coz at the end of the day its down to personal choice and preference.

Going back onto subject, Ive driven 330ci's and the new e90 320'd and a 327 would deffo have no chance against either, Infact i doubt one could beat the old e46 320d 150 BHP later version.

[oguz327]

True alot of e90s would murder a 2.7 no question, i was referring to the e46 330i and a good 2.7 keeping up with one.


An a E90 would want to be quicker, they are 20 years newer and how much do they cost?

[m3ben05]

Your compairing a modern coupe that costs 10k minimum (ctr) to a 20 year old BM that can be picked up for 1k + mods

The fact that they are even being compaired is surely an indication of the quality of a 2.7?

Personally i used to like type r's until they started becoming popular with chavs - still decent cars though

[oguz327]

I must admit i don't understand why some people on this forum even bother posting when they have nothing positive to say about E30s.

If you have an E30 and your not happy with it or its performance sell it and and join another forum, simple.

[OllieB]

I am a fan of BMW's through and through too. I love them to bits, and if I won the lottery I would be straight down to my local BMW dealer, but I am continually astonished by the pack mentality on here. I love my 325i in a certain way, it sounds awesome, it looks pretty mean and it is quite capable for its age BUT. Drive a Mk2 fiesta, then compare it to a new one. Drive a 20yr old cavalier then, drive a new vectra. In my opinion, E30's should be viewed for what they are, amusing RWD, low tech '80's chariots that you can have a laugh in for little financial outlay, comparable to vehicles like Sierra's, or Vauxhall Senators or even old manta's etc. They should not be compared to new metal, because in reality they would fall way short of the mark. Show me someone with a smooth running 325i and I will show you someone getting demolished by a diesel rep wagon, let alone a Civic Type R or something similar.

[OllieB]

I must admit i don't understand why some people on this forum even bother posting when they have nothing positive to say about E30s.

If you have an E30 and your not happy with it or its performance sell it and and join another forum, simple.

Sold it already, like I have already said I am astonished people still see their E30's as viable performance cars in the modern world. I loved my sport for everything it was good at, and being fast was not one of those things. Having a nice handling balance was, as well as a beautiful noise (one of the all time best IMHO), and stunning '80's looks. It also helps being RWD, which realistially is the USP of every E30. How many Forum members would have bought their cars/taken an interest in them if they were FWD? About 5% I reckon.......

[reggid]

I must admit i don't understand why some people on this forum even bother posting when they have nothing positive to say about E30s.

If you have an E30 and your not happy with it or its performance sell it and and join another forum, simple.

Sold it already, like I have already said I am astonished people still see their E30's as viable performance cars in the modern world. I loved my sport for everything it was good at, and being fast was not one of those things. Having a nice handling balance was, as well as a beautiful noise (one of the all time best IMHO), and stunning '80's looks. It also helps being RWD, which realistially is the USP of every E30. How many Forum members would have bought their cars/taken an interest in them if they were FWD? About 5% I reckon.......

you seem to be missing one major point which is Nobody said a stock 325i/sport will compete with more modern advanced cars in a proper test. I also agree that you average 2.7 (and most are average) won't compete with a 228 hp 330ci manual, but a sorted 2.7 will not be put to shame, and that is the point most are trying to make.

How many WRX or EVO owners would there be if they weren't AWD? VEry few
Does that mean they are bad cars? No, so whether we like them becasue they are RWD is a pointless statement. Its a bit like would you still love your wife/gf if she had a different personality.

[oakey]

could someone explain to me how these new cars are faster just because they are new?? a car is only as fast as power/weight, traction, gearing allows. yes older cars may have lost power(but thats not the point as were talking about freshly built 2.7s here).
as i said i had a fair few goes with a pal in his e46 330ci and he was faster but only just, and i mean only just.
2006 330ci 1505kg, 228hp, 221 lbft.
1987 327i, 1250 kg, 218hp,
on paper my car "should" be quicker

[Andyboy]

'91 Range Rover V8, '89 325i Sport, '06 Vauxhall Vivaro, '55 Civic Type R, '06 Freelander diesel amongst others. Why?

Right. Seeing as you love to talk down to E30 owners..........

1991 Range Rover. That's 500 quid's worth of Brtish oil leaking scrap. Nice.

89 325i Sport - the only decent car you actually own/sold.

'55 Civic Type R - not bad for £200 a month on the Drip, but most paper boys can own that.

'06 Freeloader - what, you were stupid enough to actually pay money for that???

So, subtracting everything that you pay 50 quid a week for, you're left with some turd of a 16 year old Strange Rover Vague. You must be so proud.

As for the 2.7 v 330Ci argument - I'm sure Karan lost count of the number of 330i's he mullahed. But in cold hard facts, they both do a standing km sprint in 26 secs. Sure, a 330i has 20-30 bhp more power but it's also a lot heavier.

320d's are nothing special - once the initial torque is out of the way, they aren't that great. I could just about hang on to a K plate XR3i in my Touring.

[Foomanchu]

Some of you guys should really learn to read...before replying to any of these threads...

I stated what happened and how it was and you still tell me it can't be done....It was done and that is it, on a different day with a different CTR, 182 or 330ci then the result mave well have been reversed....


Lui

[surj]

i think it depends on the 2.7 because a good 2.7 setup would eat a 330 alive 330 might handle a load better and be faster at top of the rev range but there not all that wen mine comes out to play i would gladly challenge a 330 or even an m3 e36 probaly woulnt beat it but could still hang on to him and show him and a few others old cars arent to be mist judged

[OllieB]

Right. Seeing as you love to talk down to E30 owners..........

1991 Range Rover. That's 500 quid's worth of Brtish oil leaking scrap. Nice. -

£700 actually, and it only gets used off road, which it is actually quite good at!

89 325i Sport - the only decent car you actually own/sold.-

Realistically, probably one of the biggest let downs. I expected a lot more from it.

'55 Civic Type R - not bad for £200 a month on the Drip, but most paper boys can own that. -

Try and find one for near that money, its a good little slag to thrash about in and I can write it off as a business vehicle. Also, suprisingly swift and fun! (New as well, always helps.)

'06 Freeloader - what, you were stupid enough to actually pay money for that???-

£160/mth +vat, also written off through the business, and it is the g/f's chariot and dog hauling machine. Probably costs less to actually lease than most E30 owners spend on rusty parts a month.


As for the 2.7 v 330Ci argument - I'm sure Karan lost count of the number of 330i's he mullahed. -

I think we would all agree that Karans 327i was a bit special, and certainly a one off. Hardly your average M20 stroker though is it?


320d's are nothing special - once the initial torque is out of the way, they aren't that great. -

Maybe not, and I certainly wouldn't want one. Still faster than 90% of E30's though aren't they?


I could just about hang on to a K plate XR3i in my Touring.-

Woah now, that would be an achievement. Just don't go letting it go to your head.


All I'm trying to say, is a lot of people need to pull their head out of their arse and realise that while E30's have a lot of desirable attributes, being particularly fast isn't one of them......

[DanThe]

If a 320d would murder most E30's then me keeping up with a 530d is quite an achievement

[Jhonno]

e90 320d 0-60 high 8's

e90 330d 0-60 high 7's

e90 330i 0-60 low 6's


hmm

[reggid]

e90 320d 0-60 high 8's

e90 330d 0-60 high 7's

e90 330i 0-60 low 6's


hmm

e60 530d are rated 160kw (215hp) amd 480Nm (355lbft) 0-100km/h in 7.2s and this equates to 0-60 in ~6.9s remember that they weigh 1590kg and a 330d would be around 100kg less so the 330d would easily keep up with a 330Ci/i 0-60 as its not about power to weight in a 0-60.

There was a 545 vs 535d test where the 535d was as quick to around 90-100mph

Never treat a diesel lightly particularily at less than 60mph where they operate at their torque band on the highway they are relatively easy pickings though.

[MadE30mike]

I must admit i don't understand why some people on this forum even bother posting when they have nothing positive to say about E30s.

If you have an E30 and your not happy with it or its performance sell it and and join another forum, simple.

Exactly !!! You dont buy an e30 to race new hothatches in straight lines anyway, you buy a e30 for roundabouts,greasy roads,pulling out of junctions,country backroads(even better when wet). And there oldskool cool too which is a bonus. How many e30's do you see on the road these days? not many round my way anyway.

[Demlotcrew]

If a 320d would murder most E30's then me keeping up with a 530d is quite an achievement

These new fives are quick!

I had a little play with a 535d and there was nothing in it, i just could not get past him and he could not edge on me, even when changing up gears

Need more power

[pacerpete]

Alices new man has a 5 series, it's an '89 on the 'F' 520i with BLACK windows to match his........
I am sure i seen it in sainsburys car park, it looks like it could do with new shocks, it was bouncing a lot !

[Andyboy]

Pete you're wrong. I was dogging in that car park and the E34 in question was a G plate 518i in Lapisblau. She was definitely in Wonderland.

[Karan]

my old 2.7 was quicker than all the above mentioned cars, but from 110-140 it was dead level with the 330

definitely quicker til 100mph though.... my flatmate has one and we always used to have a little go on the motorway!

although the ratios are different.... if we were both in 3rd, thw 2.7 would instantly shift

[Jhonno]

e90 320d 0-60 high 8's

e90 330d 0-60 high 7's

e90 330i 0-60 low 6's


hmm

e60 530d are rated 160kw (215hp) amd 480Nm (355lbft) 0-100km/h in 7.2s and this equates to 0-60 in ~6.9s remember that they weigh 1590kg and a 330d would be around 100kg less so the 330d would easily keep up with a 330Ci/i 0-60 as its not about power to weight in a 0-60.

There was a 545 vs 535d test where the 535d was as quick to around 90-100mph

Never treat a diesel lightly particularily at less than 60mph where they operate at their torque band on the highway they are relatively easy pickings though.

Those were quoted figures not made up. I think the 530d has a slightly uprated version of the 3.0d lump

[reggid]

e90 320d 0-60 high 8's

e90 330d 0-60 high 7's

e90 330i 0-60 low 6's


hmm

e60 530d are rated 160kw (215hp) amd 480Nm (355lbft) 0-100km/h in 7.2s and this equates to 0-60 in ~6.9s remember that they weigh 1590kg and a 330d would be around 100kg less so the 330d would easily keep up with a 330Ci/i 0-60 as its not about power to weight in a 0-60.

There was a 545 vs 535d test where the 535d was as quick to around 90-100mph

Never treat a diesel lightly particularily at less than 60mph where they operate at their torque band on the highway they are relatively easy pickings though.

Those were quoted figures not made up. I think the 530d has a slightly uprated version of the 3.0d lump

i think you may be correct we don't get 330d here but do get the 530d