2.7 Vs the Hot Hatches

[reggid]

lets face it ctr's am rubbish jap crap my mates got a 2.7 schrick cam in it chip its in turd gear when it gets goin other mate 300 bhp scooby and the 2.7 does him in third everytime

Sorry, you are going to have to clarify some of that for me. So,

1)-CTR's am rubbish
(They are rubbish? If so why?)

2)-got a 2.7 schrick cam in it chip its in turd gear
(No idea here, turd gear? As for beating a 300bhp impreza turbo I personally find that very hard to believe.)

a 2.7 will never beat a decent impreza. believe me ive tried many times. i once had a go against one from the lights in the wet...... that was embarrassing

WRX are not that power full so from a roll they are nothing special. An average 2.7 probably won't compete but a good one will

[E30BeemerLad]

i've been in a standard 280bhp WRX and the power delivery is explosive and would pisch a 2.7 or whatever else.

Maybe a UK spec early scoob with 204 bhp or whatever is a bit more attainable as i had a minor scrap with one once and it certainly did not burn off in the 40-80mph category we were in due to the road conditions

[OllieB]

[quote="Simon13"]Sorry Ollie but an E30 M3 can take a CTR on track even if it is 20 years old. It's got the same power and that sublime chassis that even a hothatch which is 20 years newer CTR can't beat.

A wanker on my road drives a CTR,

I think the last line is the key. Unless you know try to kill it, a CTR is as much use as a choccy teapot, you have to wring its neck to make it move its lazy, fat arse. Apparently VTEC controllers are available to make it pull its weight earlier.
I had a play with an E46 M3 on a tasty B-road I know
well, and he pulled on the straights but couldn't shake the little honda from his RVM even though his car is obviously vastly quicker in every respect. There are not many if any normally aspirated, road going 335i or M3's that would keep up with a well driven CTR IMO. If anyone thinks otherwise then I think it would be entirely healthy to get in contact with one of the Type R forums and put it to the test. Can I just re-iterate that I mean no malice or aggresion, I just honestly think the honda would be faster, BUT I would be thrilled if proven otherwise.

[reggid]

I don't reckon. I was talking about standard E30's anyway really, and a CTR would match an E30 M3 round a track, as well as in a straight line, while I doubt you could say the same about a reasonably unfettled 335i. Its old tech you see, it just doesn't cut it anymore. Has anyone posted any 0-60 times- 1/4 mile times in a 335i? Bet you a standard CTR would beat a 335i in pretty much every race situation. By the way, I'm not trying to start an argument/fight, before everyone who is blinded by their passion for old beemers starts kicking off, just merely arguing a point. When I first drove the CTR I was absolutely astonished at just how fast and capable it is for a 200bhp FWD hatch, as everyone who I have taken out in it has been.

this thread is not about standard e30 though but yes the CTR may beat your average 318-325 but an e30 m3 with 200+ particular an evo will be faster in a straght line. Around a track a standard setup m3 is not that good by todays standard but most e30 m3 have been upgraded. A 335i is a 220/220 car and will be faster in a straightline.

[OllieB]

this thread is not about standard e30 though but yes the CTR may beat your average 318-325

I dont see how a 318i even comes into this thread? For that matter, neither does a 325i. I bought my sport and very soon after got shown up by a chipped focus diesel through the gears.

but an e30 m3 with 200+ particular an evo will be faster in a straght line. Around a track a standard setup m3 is not that good by todays standard but most e30 m3 have been upgraded. A 335i is a 220/220 car and will be faster in a straightline.[/quote]

All I'm saying is I'd like to see it proven, I think out of the box the honda has the M3 licked all day long, and they both have tuning potential.....

[maxfield]

this thread is not about standard e30 though but yes the CTR may beat your average 318-325 but an e30 m3 with 200+ particular an evo will be faster in a straght line. Around a track a standard setup m3 is not that good by todays standard but most e30 m3 have been upgraded. A 335i is a 220/220 car and will be faster in a straightline.

I wouldn't say the M3s far behind with susp geometry but when it comes to electronics it may be behind.

But with todays electronics it could make me look a good driver.

But a good driver in an M3 will be able to beat a CTR round a track reasonably easy

[reggid]

All I'm saying is I'd like to see it proven, I think out of the box the honda has the M3 licked all day long, and they both have tuning potential.....

i think the onus is on you for the proof since you first claimed a standard CTR would beat 99.99% of all e30 around and that it "has a M3 licked all day long" and your statements don't really seem to based on any theory except the one where the onwers of vtec cars think it magically defies the laws of physics.

What are the CTR specs compared to the ITR as i must be missing something

[m3ben05]

At the end of the day, to go quick round a track, an e30 needs to have a good driver, standard or not. Modern cars can make a very average driver look special.

Iv seen the very best e30's in the hands of very good drivers demolish ANYTHING on a track! and there are people on this forum who will back me up on this!

[oakey]

a civic typeR wont beat a 215 hp m3 full stop. (in a completely fair test). m3 has a slighlty higher top speed, slightly faster 0-60, faster 1/4 time, more power to weight, more torque to weight, all at a more usable rev range than the CTR. surely this is proof enough for you

[Davenotouring]

A CTR and M3 on track will be similar. I don't doubt that too much. As mentioned above, as fair a 'test' as possible i.e. Same tyres, brakes, suspension setups etc.

Neither would give the other a full-on hiding.

It is SO much down to the driver.

Although I blew my car early on at Silverstone, I was passing all manor of hero chariots, E36 M3s, E34 3.8 M5 (Hi Sal ), quick Caterhams, an EVO and a Scoob. At the 'Ring, I've passed Porsche 911s, NSXs, etc etc. However, I've also been passed by Golfs/Novas. It's pointless comparing cars without the same driver to a certain extent.

Unless it's a 'I bet I can beat you in your car' as opposed to 'My car is quicker than your car' arguement. If you see my point?!

Someone give me a CTR and I'll race an M3.

[Andyboy]

You wouldn't pass me. Once the butterfly on the 1.34 inch SU opened up you'd feel the surge of 1700 'O' Series power as I piss off into the distance.

[Andyboy]

All I'm saying is I'd like to see it proven, I think out of the box the honda has the M3 licked all day long, and they both have tuning potential.....

i think the onus is on you for the proof since you first claimed a standard CTR would beat 99.99% of all e30 around and that it "has a M3 licked all day long" and your statements don't really seem to based on any theory except the one where the onwers of vtec cars think it magically defies the laws of physics.

What are the CTR specs compared to the ITR as i must be missing something

On the way back from Castle Combe a few years back my old B plate Alpina E30 (2.7 with small 323i throttle body) hung onto the back of a TypeR all the way up the A34. He got as far as 135 mph and couldn't get rid of this old white shed.

[Davenotouring]

*cough* Slipstream *cough*

Haha!

Plus you never know how these cars are running, I was running on three cyls trying to race heroes on the M25 two weeks ago. 'I beat a race Civic' I can hear them shout down the pub! Little did they know it was a Diahatsu Charade that day!

[SidewaysScouser]

I think it was the Channel 5 programme "Fifth Gear" that did a test comparing an E30 M3 and a Ford Ka around their track in Anglesey.

God knows how, but as I remember the Ka was faster around their track.

Did anyone else see it?

[Andyboy]

Yup - but it was a 1.6 SportKa which is a fair bit faster than a standard 1.3. Even so not a bad result and even the standard Ka has got a superb chassis - very light weight, not too much grip and a wheel at each corner.

[SidewaysScouser]

I think we've just gotta accept that our cars are old now, and all the technology that made them special 20odd years ago has been either adopted by other manufacturers, or superseded.

[E30Adam]

Don't laugh but when my sport was a 2.5 and pretty much standard, I had big trouble losing a Lupo GTi on the M25 one day. Seriously quick for such a tiny car! I'd like to have a re-run now though!

[e36boy]

Ive not read all this thread but I Lmao when i read about a 2.7 beating a 330ci, If youve ever driven a 330ci you will know for sure that a 2.7 e30 would have no chance what so ever against the 3.0 e46

[oakey]

Ive not read all this thread but I Lmao when i read about a 2.7 beating a 330ci, If youve ever driven a 330ci you will know for sure that a 2.7 e30 would have no chance what so ever against the 3.0 e46

youd be very surprised matey. i have since tested this out with a 330 against my car.
whe i was infront the 330 would easily stick with me but couldnt overtake me until Vhigh speeds. when the 330 was in front he would pull away ever so slightly. 8/10 times my car got in front of the 330 in 1st and my pal never managed to overtake me.
i recon on a 1/4 mile run both the cars would cross the line at a similar time with the 330 just in front

[e36boy]

A 325i Sport is about the same speed as a 106 Gti, tryd and tested. Thats good going cause 106gti's are rapid. my old one woulda murdered my standard sport, it used to sit right behind scooby wrx's up until 140 then they slowly pull away.

You can't really put a e30 in the same class as a hot hatch, totaly diffrent cars and totaly diffrent ways of driving them.

Funny you should say this coz my mate had a 106 gti and an impreza and he always said the 106 was quicker than the scooby, He eventually sold the scooby and insists they are poo.

[maxfield]

106 gtis are weapons and very fast

Wonder how much insurance would be on my first car

[e36boy]

106 gtis are weapons and very fast

Wonder how much insurance would be on my first car

I wouldnt even bother maxfield, Group 14 i think !!!

[Foomanchu]

E36 Boy

I didn't say that I beat the 330ci but we were pretty much side by side until about 130mph then power and aerodynamics started playing there part and he the 330ci started edgeing away but like I say only edgeing....

But as DaveTouring mentioned the Slip stream situation when I was behind the CTR this would no doubt of played a BIG part in me not only staying on his arse but also him having no choice but to move over but when he did move I didn't just hit a brick wall my car still comfortable sailed past.... and that was a way up the speedo..Just how it was in that situation I guess different day it might have been differernt story....
But the other night I was side by side with my Girlfriend in her CRX VTI at 40 mph we both went together and she pulled away and then bang or GGGRRRRR as I have kickdown and she was behind me and shrinking.... but then again she probably changed gear at about 5k when she has another 3k to go, funny girl she is,
Good car though

[jonb]

Civic type R"s are yes car credit loser chariots....

I wasted one in my renualt a couple of nights back. He gave up when i changed into 4th...

[OllieB]

[quote="jonb"]Civic type R"s are yes car credit loser chariots....

Yeah, except you probably would struggle to get credit.

As for a 327i having a dig at a 330i,, lets be more realistic. I am confident in saying that an E30 327i would have a good chance against an E90 320d. Oh, hang on, on second thoughts, maybe not.......

[jonb]

For sure.

I long for the day i can get that 65% apr, and a winning scratchcard...

[OllieB]

Spanking new CTR (2yrs ago nearly)

£169.99/mth + vat , 10k per yr. Kill it, give it back. Hardly Yes car credit is it? Shame your business doesn't turn over enough profit every year or you could do the same deal and not worry about the VAT JonB, instead of running round in a semi hero chariot of the days when most of the members of this website were in pampers, that is worth about £0.43

[oguz327]

Civic type R"s are yes car credit loser chariots....

Yeah, except you probably would struggle to get credit.

As for a 327i having a dig at a 330i,, lets be more realistic. I am confident in saying that an E30 327i would have a good chance against an E90 320d. Oh, hang on, on second thoughts, maybe not.......

You must have been in some shit 2.7s then dude

[jonb]

WELL!!!!

I value it at nearer 41p actually. Shame i didnt get the chance to tell that to the black dude in the civic(with da tinted windows). Which again, was completely and utterly dry bum raped by my semi hero chariot of course. Shame, maybe next time.

[OllieB]

You are such good fun JonB, I wish more forum type people could be shaped in the mould of you.....

What people need to realise is that E30's are so outdated they should be wearing piss sacks. A chipped E90 320d rep wagon would kill the majority of E30's stone dead, which is a shame, but also a sad fact of life.....

[e36boy]

You are such good fun JonB, I wish more forum type people could be shaped in the mould of you.....

What people need to realise is that E30's are so outdated they should be wearing **** sacks. A chipped E90 320d rep wagon would kill the majority of E30's stone dead, which is a shame, but also a sad fact of life.....

Damn right, 327 beating a 330ci....No chance
327 beating a e90 320d......No chance
E90 320d keeping up with e46 330ci.....Quite possibley.

[OllieB]

Someone sensible! I see you haven't become a full blown cult member yet then! If you had the you would swear blind that a 325i is a contender for any modern machinery and an E30 M3 is a full blow world beater......

[Theo]

Ollie what car do you drive again?

[OllieB]

'91 Range Rover V8, '89 325i Sport, '06 Vauxhall Vivaro, '55 Civic Type R, '06 Freelander diesel amongst others. Why?

[Theo]

Just wondering thats all.

How's that turbo project going......