What a day! Crash damage! ADVICE PLEASE. PICS INSIDE

[SStuart]

So is e30beemerlad just working for a accident management company basiclly? Looking to take on claims for personal injury?

With a pay-off for write off and another pay-off for your whiplash and sleepless nights, you could go get a minter.. Or buy yours back.
Hows your conscience?

[SStuart]

sorry, that was "minter"

[Rich2388]

The only way he can be listed on the rental agreement without them seeing a license is if the car is on a corporate deal. I did a years work experience for them so if you scan it in I can offer more advice.

Funnily enough I have an enterprise car at the moment as someone hit one of our company cars. As it is an insurance non fault rental car and on our business insurance the only people that can drive it are the people who have shown their license at the enterprise branch.

Are you sure he didn't give you the details on the rental agreement and he is actually someone else.

Heres a copy of the rental agreement he gave.



And i checked the details he gave me against a phone bill he had as he didnt have his driving license.

The company thats is dealing with it for mor me done a address check on him and he does live there along with alot of other people.

[Rich2388]

So is e30beemerlad just working for a accident management company basiclly? Looking to take on claims for personal injury?

With a pay-off for write off and another pay-off for your whiplash and sleepless nights, you could go get a minter.. Or buy yours back.
Hows your conscience?

My consience is clear as a bell. Im the fookin victim in this, its this other coont trying to screw me over!

[Rich2388]

By the way. Talk to enterprise. They will probably be quite helpful. They do not want to be paying another company for a small prestige car for X amount of days. With complex write offs where value is 'debated' this can drag on for a couple of months. Enterprise will not want a £85 a day car billed to them for 60 days when they can give you one of theirs for not a lot of loss to them.

Yes, but it doesnt help that he has told the rental company i went in to the back of him!

[Rich2388]

Rich, sorry to hear about your dramas As the boyz have said, DO NOT LET ANYONE TAKE THE TURD !! The other car / driver scenario is suspect at best. Was the Enterprise rental agreement in the name of the guy whose details you have ? Or was he driving a car rented by another party ? Either way, without a license, I cannot see how he can be insured ? Did you take pics of the car , the damage and the driver ? Best of luck, it sounds messy

I should have all the bits to repair it, including a lump of inner wing if needed. If you need a proper receipt for the fine chariot specifying the spec / morsels etc just give me a shout

It is messy pete. And im even more pissed off at the fact that now they want to cat c it at a value of £600!!! So yes pete, if it comes to it i may need some sort of receipt off you. Yes the tental agreement was in his name. Yes got pics of my cars damage, not his, but i have got a pic of his bumper lying in the road, but no poc of him, but if it goes to court for the driving with bo license, which i supsect it will, then i would know if its him or not!

[Rich2388]

I really dont know wether or not to pull the plug on this company im using, and try and go it alone. I mean they arent helping me at all, so far minimal communication with them although its quite a conplex case, no car to drive, and an insulting £600 valuation. What do i do?!!!

[Mechagran]

Im knew and Im not wading into this one but a v5 is not proof of ownership. The log book can be in anyone's name. Proof of purchase is proof of ownership. the V5c just shows who is responsible for tax and insurance.

I wouldn't even claim on your insurance for this, unless it is substantial. I'd get the work done and do it yourself, it wont be worth your premium or the Cat C classification.

- a lawyer.

[Speedtouch]

Have you tried directly contacting the guy to cover the cost of the damage?

He may well prefer to settle up with you rather than be dragged through the official channels...

[DanThe]

Im knew and Im not wading into this one but a v5 is not proof of ownership. The log book can be in anyone's name. Proof of purchase is proof of ownership. the V5c just shows who is responsible for tax and insurance.

I wouldn't even claim on your insurance for this, unless it is substantial. I'd get the work done and do it yourself, it wont be worth your premium or the Cat C classification.

- a lawyer.

Whats the V5 got to do with anything?

The car rental company are as much at fault here as the scumbag that cant drive, there is no reason why Rich should have to put his hand in his own pocket or bribe the scumbag into coughing up either

If beemerlad is up for dealing with this id get him on the case

[pacerpete]

Have you tried directly contacting the guy to cover the cost of the damage?

He may well prefer to settle up with you rather than be dragged through the official channels...

The guy has now changed his story and claims Rich ran up his 4rse so I hardly think he is going to apologise and drop rich £1500 !


Rich , what is the drivers name and is it the same as on the rental agreement ? RE him not having a license , why would he tell you this ? and are Enterprise aware of this ? It all sounds very murky to me

[DanThe]

The old bill found out the scummer has no license Pete

Rich you need to get onto your witnesses asap and ask them for a written statement of what they saw while its still fresh in their minds, it sounds like you will be needing it

[Jon_Bmw]

The plot thickens... That is a hand written rental. Hand written rental tickets get done if the computer is down. There is a possibility that this is how airports do the rentals, but I doubt it!

So as its a hand written ticket there is a possibility that they haven't collected the driving license details correctly. The whole ticket looks iffy because the date looks to me like it says xx/13? There is no 13th month. Unfortunately the information I need is 'greened' out. It looks like it is on a corporate deal though because the lack of signatures in the damage waiver and excess protection sections.

This is going to be more complex especially as the shister is now claiming you hit him!

[bss325i]

Rich, as this happened at a set of traffic lights, is there any CCTV cameras to get video evidence from?

[Jon_Bmw]

On the reverse of that pink bit it has the following clause:

4. Use of the vehicle
The vehicle must not be used:
b.) by anyone without a full valid driving license for the class or use of vehicle rented.

I personally would be contacting the branch who rented that car (hard to find out due to the hand written ticket). Explain that the police have found that the driver had no driving license. You need the name of the driver from the police. If it matches that on the rental agreement, 'Boyd' from enterprise is in a shit stream with no paddle. Cue manager bending over backwards for you.

Do not let them take that copy of the rental agreement whatever you do.

[pacerpete]

Where did the accident happen, someone from a rental address could be a witness who after a few months has moved away if you get my drift.

So to get things straight, Enterprise own this car and a driver in their car hit you, open and shut case that they should pay out as they are insured.

I would take it up with there head office and start to make a fuss, to do them over make sure your neck does hurt as that will cover for the stress and trauma of dealing with this I know its wrong but.........

I suspect that If the driver has no license , he will not be authorised to drive the car and as a result not be insured.
Can the OP confirm whose name the rental agreement is in and what Enterprise have to say about the whole malarky ?

[bab-91]

Enterprise rent a car to a person without a license and they wash there hands of the incident? Doesn't sound right to me, surely they're liable for failing to check?

[Mechagran]

Im knew and Im not wading into this one but a v5 is not proof of ownership. The log book can be in anyone's name. Proof of purchase is proof of ownership. the V5c just shows who is responsible for tax and insurance.

I wouldn't even claim on your insurance for this, unless it is substantial. I'd get the work done and do it yourself, it wont be worth your premium or the Cat C classification.

- a lawyer.

Whats the V5 got to do with anything?

The car rental company are as much at fault here as the scumbag that cant drive, there is no reason why Rich should have to put his hand in his own pocket or bribe the scumbag into coughing up either

If beemerlad is up for dealing with this id get him on the case

If you read the whole thread you will see the discussion about the v5c and involvement of insurance. Emotional responses help no one

[Jamie8GTi]

Just read this, and this is what scares me most about driving my e30 when its finished

Its a really horrible thing to read, Checking for cctv sounds like a good idea to me as physical evidence/ witness statements will get the job done a lot faster.

a year back I had a small run in with an old woman! she swerved to miss a puddle on a small back road straight into my car! It only took the mirror off but after chasing her down (as she drove off) and stopping to accuse her/ take details I soon realised I had no proof of whose fault it was, and that she could very easily claim off my insurance! being 20 with 3 years no claims, in a split second I came up with some fake details and left with my tail between my legs.

I know from that experience its gutting when its your pride and joy even on a small scale and I want to see you get the full amount you deserve + more for the bullsh*t you're going through!
As people have mentioned it may benefit to also see a doctor about that sore neck you've been left with!
but then again I don't know if I could do that either!

Good luck with this one mate! I really feel for you

[Andyboy]

Im knew and Im not wading into this one but a v5 is not proof of ownership. The log book can be in anyone's name. Proof of purchase is proof of ownership. the V5c just shows who is responsible for tax and insurance.

I wouldn't even claim on your insurance for this, unless it is substantial. I'd get the work done and do it yourself, it wont be worth your premium or the Cat C classification.

- a lawyer.

Whats the V5 got to do with anything?

The car rental company are as much at fault here as the scumbag that cant drive, there is no reason why Rich should have to put his hand in his own pocket or bribe the scumbag into coughing up either

If beemerlad is up for dealing with this id get him on the case

If you read the whole thread you will see the discussion about the v5c and involvement of insurance. Emotional responses help no one

Neither do smartarse replies like yours.

[rhubarb]

You should be letting your own insurance company deal with all of this..

You've done your bit, and the Police have done theres.

Just hold onto your car and chase your insurance company up

The Enterprise car is insured in it's own right, but the cover will be voided because he hasn't got a licence..It's your insurance companies job to chase the claim through..That's what you are paying them for..

[E30BeemerLad]

Looks like there are delays with progress due to the nonsense the other driver has told the hire co.

Essentially, the accident management company need to step it up with the insurers of the hire co and point out the obvious as to the poor credibility of the other driver's story, namely the damage is not really consistent with what he is saying, his conduct after the smack (namely if someone else hits you, you don't do one from the scene), his absence of a valid licence and therefore general tendency to mislead etc.

At the end of the day, the other side are going to get hosed down with this incident, but ultimately if they are going to stick their heads in the sand now and not see the incident for what it is, they will end up with court proceedings against the other driver which their insurers will have to settle.

It matters not if the other bloke had his own insurer or not. If he did have cover they will deal, if not Enterprise's insurers will. So worst case scenario, that the car is insured by the insurer of the hire company, the driver is identified and he is at fault, so they will have liability under Section 151 of the Road Traffic Act to settle any county court judgment that arises against the driver.

[Mechagran]

Whats the V5 got to do with anything?

The car rental company are as much at fault here as the scumbag that cant drive, there is no reason why Rich should have to put his hand in his own pocket or bribe the scumbag into coughing up either

If beemerlad is up for dealing with this id get him on the case

If you read the whole thread you will see the discussion about the v5c and involvement of insurance. Emotional responses help no one

Neither do smartarse replies like yours.

Then read the thing properly so i dont have to correct you.

[Andyboy]

My dear Chap:

I have read it correctly - you are berating the wrong person. However, it's you that is being pedantic and trying to start some futile argument in a vain attempt to be clever*.










*Keep trying - you may just succeed.

[sheebie]

I used to work for enterprise (worse company ever for employees). They hire any idiot with a degree, I left within 8 months. What has been said about them is true about licenses and corporate deals. Could it be possible it wasnt him who rented the car hence why they dont have his details?

As far as rental agreements go thats only half filled out. There is no excess on there making me think it might be a corporate rental. Have a close look at the shaded area as thats where the license details go, hold it up to the light and see if you can see anything. Even for corporate deals we had licenses on file so might be printed there.
The car has been checked over and signed by the renter which we didnt do for corporate deals. As we drop the car mark any damage and then they would ring us if they didnt agree.

I still have a mate working for them, pm me your details and I will see if I can find anything out.
Dont worry enterprise deal with car accidents all day long and are pretty good in getting the truth out.

[Rich320I]

in regard to the valuation, i would ask what they are using to value the car. as glasses guide is not applicable for cars prior to i think 1991.

i had exactly the same situation, with an inital valuation of £600 which they had valued against a 1993 e36. after supplying adverts etc... they upped the valuation to £1500 and i retained the car.

the best advice is to stick with it insurance companies can be very hard going, e30beemerlad on here was an invaluable source of information to me, when i had the same problem.

[Mechagran]

My dear Chap:

I have read it correctly - you are berating the wrong person. However, it's you that is being pedantic and trying to start some futile argument in a vain attempt to be clever*.



Just responding in kind "my dear chap". You will note my first comment was helpful and on topic. Thereafter two other people decided to make me look clever.

Thanks awfully.








*Keep trying - you may just succeed.

[Loony]

I really dont know wether or not to pull the plug on this company im using, and try and go it alone. I mean they arent helping me at all, so far minimal communication with them although its quite a conplex case, no car to drive, and an insulting £600 valuation. What do i do?!!!

What have you signed and how long have they been on the case.

You may find you owe them a fair bit of money if you try to walk away now.

[Sanchez]

Do you have free motor legal cover run by mr e30beemerlad? Saves £20 a year and helped me with a bike crash.

[andyp]

had a QUICK read through this and cant work any of it out.

1. you had a crash on the 6th feb
2. the other driver is saying its your fault
3. on the 12th they have valued your car at £600.00 and want to cat C it.




cars are norm hired out by a person who then puts his runners and stuff in the cars to be delivered, we have had something very very serious happen here this week with this exactly happening, it happens all the time.

[Andyboy]

Just responding in kind "my dear chap". You will note my first comment was helpful and on topic. Thereafter two other people decided to make me look clever.

Thanks awfully.

Nobody is that clever, alas.

[Brianmoooore]

Will you two put your handbags away and stop spamming this thread please!!

[Mechagran]

Will you two put your handbags away and stop spamming this thread please!!

Haha fair enough.