Road traffic Collision with POLICE!

[dsiingh]

Today I had an unfortunate accident with an office duty police officer who happened to be going to work and just happened to be 10-15 meters away from her station. The lady shouted for her colleagues who had come running out of the station and told me to come in to the station. I was the first out of the vehicle and I told her it was very minor damage. And she said its major damage without even looking at the damage. She was fit for duty and started her shift. I was told a number of times i was at fault and i am liable, i was accused of tailgating an ambulance, I was breathalysed and made to feel victimised. one of me and station full of officeres surrounding me. I was left shaken and still am shaken, I face the possiblity of being held liable and being made to admit liability by a number of officers. I was spoken to rudely by one office who seemed to be the inspector or Sargent. My neck hurts but thats the least of my worries. She said if i wish to go private she will give me the bill to repair her vehicle.

I will upload pictures. I may be at fault I am not sure, I belive both parties are to blame but I would like advice and help

This picture shows the direction of which i was travelling and the position of my car, I admit i shouldnt have been there but the second picture will reveal why I was.



This picture show more of the road, I was in the hashings as I going to turn right at the light and thought I would drive in the hashing as many other users do in order not sit in traffic. I was only 10-15metres away from the road opening into the the second lane, but it has become acceptable for cars to que up in the hashings to turn right, and there was a build up of traffic at the time of the crash however I didnt take any pictures of the crash and surrounds at the time it occured.



My skid marks of my vehicle show that I tried to swerve out of the vehicles way who was oncoming in the hashings, her vehicle was oncoming and had entered the road fully in the hashings and had continued driving straight along the hashing up until collision.




Third part vehicle damage - she claims it will cost of £1000 from seat. and that her fog light has also broken, although this picture shows it is intact!!



And finally the damage of my car

[Nobby_N]

Long skid marks for a built up area! Im blaming u too! Hashings are there for a reason and not for nob heads to over take on x

[macas]

I know the road well,i do the exact same thing as you,but........you are not supposed to enter those markings for the reasons you have found out.

They might even try and charge you with driving without due care..

[jimbom30cab]

Silly cow


hope you get your motor sorted out mate

[maxfield]

Hate to say it but it looks like you are at fault.

There is certainly not £1ks worth of damage to her car either!!

[Nobby_N]

Ps do you know Uzikahn as those photoshop skills are nearly as immense as his

[kam-325i]

so basically, she was coming out of the juction, through queing traffic....you are intending to turn right at the lights , further up the road, which has a right turn only lane,

Her fault......regardless of what you were doing.......

her view to the right was blocked, she should of used "Creep and Peep"....

[macas]

so basically, she was coming out of the juction, through queing traffic....you are intending to turn right at the lights , further up the road, which has a right turn only lane,

Her fault......regardless of what you were doing.......

her view to the right was blocked, she should of used "Creep and Peep"....

[macas]

^^^...it wasnt her fault because the cars had stopped to her right and she only had to look left because of those markings.....he shouldnt have been in that lane till he reached the turn right arrow on the road

[zd3bx]

I don't understand people who make a f'ing big deal out of silly things like that...It would be common sense to sort out a private deal and just get on with the rest of the day, but I guess sadly that doesn't work with all people

[Z3I]

Yep, looks to me as if you were in the wrong there.

Her offer to go "private" is a generous one, may well save you increased premiums and accident history, as well as excess costs to repair yours. The fog light may look ok, but is the fixing ok?

Ring her back, and be nice, the length of those skid marks in a 30mph area is not good!

[kam-325i]

^^^...it wasnt her fault because the cars had stopped to her right and she only had to look left because of those markings.....he shouldnt have been in that lane till he reached the turn right arrow on the road

The road markings in front of here at the juction mean "give way to traffic on major road".........

Lets say there was a motorbike filtering up the outside of the queing traffic instead......

the fact that he was somewhere he was not suppossed to be does not negate the fact that she pulled out without making sure sure her path was clear.......

[dsiingh]

Thanks, althought I dont appreciate being called a nob but its ok each to their own and all, Its just a fashion for people who know the area well to enter the hashings before the they reach the lights. She was also driving in the hashings as when the crash occured her car was parallel in the hashings. had she driven straight on to her side of the ride instead driving as Ive shown in the (not so great) diagram above there wouldve been no collision.

Ps do you know Uzikahn as those photoshop skills are nearly as immense as his

I have practicsed these photoshop skills for many years no one can come near on to the wonkey lines haha.

The police(her friends+colleages) tried calling the Road traffic collision team, but they were busy elsewhere as i overheard on the walkie talkie, and the he tried telling me as there has been no injury or serious damage I will not be calling the RTC team out.

^^^...it wasnt her fault because the cars had stopped to her right and she only had to look left because of those markings.....he shouldnt have been in that lane till he reached the turn right arrow on the road

I agree it may not have been her fault but she was positioned in the hashings.

Any advice on what to do now? she said she will consider her options with her partner as she is a named driver on the policy

[Nobby_N]

By now she will be priming your insurance for a good bumming with a whiplash claim! Coppers are all just as bad as council scum when it comes to time off work and money! She probably got a work mate witness statement by now so its time to bend over!

[macas]

Is your car a 1.6 4 door?im sure i see it parked on wharf st, hockley?just down from the rs rs centre?

[DanThe]

Looks to me like you were overtaking in the middle of the road and potentially about to drive into oncoming traffic in the turn right section thats there for traffic turning into st james rd. I would be expecting 6 points and a fine if I were you

[dsiingh]

I do have a 1.6 four door with chrome trim on the doors its red with coachlines along the side and original bmw wheel trims. Stock car no mods. I do come to hockley but not wharf st

[dsiingh]

Im soo confused. I am still shaking and worried. I did offer to go private but she refused for me to go to a guy ive used in the past for body work, as she said her seat is an Ibiza FR and the paint work is different and nobody cant match it apart from seat. She said she will give me the bill Seat produce for the repair works, or she will go through insurance, I told her why i dont wish to go through insurance as I dont my car to become a Category D or C right off.

I called up my legal cover service and they said it sounds as if both parties were at fault and I spoke to a police officer friend who also agreed both parties were at fault. I dont mind sharing the blame but when I am outnumbered and intimidated by the police, its not really nice. Especially when they can pull stunts things even if they dont have their blues and twos on its not quiet fair I agree I shouldnt have been in the hashing but she should have been driving through the hashings to make her quick right turn in to the station either, she didnt even enter the correct lane she continued to drive on the hashing to get to the station.

[Morat]

She has a perfect right to go to her insurance, and you can't stop her. I don't think you're obliged to get your car fixed by your insurance - best check with someone who really knows - but it doesn't _look_ worse than a cat C (beyond economic repair) so you should be able to buy it back if the worst comes to the worst. Hopefully your insurance will pay for her car and you can pay for your own.

I reckon that if the police get a tape measure on those skidmarks you could be in genuine trouble....

[kam-325i]

you are in control. tell her for sod off and go suck one......

you have something she wants, you dont have to accept the first invoice she throws at you....

the paint work "nobody" can match shit is bollox.....

[bodger]

why was she driving down the centre hashings after pulling out of the junction?, and why is she a named driver on her partners policy but commuting to work, she should have her own policy if she uses the car more than her partner

[Kos]

Let the insurers deal with it. Argue your case and be done with and don't pay up out of your own pocket

If you felt threatened/intimidated contact the borough commander and make a complaint

[dsiingh]

Be in trouble even if I wasnt breaking any speed, i just slammed my breaks on. The officer did ask me if I had abs to which I replayed no, and he just said ok, he said then it makes sense as to why my lines were long. He said the only thing i did wrong was drive in the hashings, but then again so did she!

[macas]

why was she driving down the centre hashings after pulling out of the junction?, and why is she a named driver on her partners policy but commuting to work, she should have her own policy if she uses the car more than her partner

Very good!
You should be a copper..

[aze30]

she pulled out of the junction into your path mate....you were travelling on the main road...so you have priority...i think you should be okay with this one

[aze30]

just read the traffic in that lane was staionary...in which case you might be buggered

[Kos]

It to me sounds like a split liability case, and for the record you can deny liability. If you are injured go see a doctors, go to a Physio and and let it be.

As far a her driving her partners car goes and commuting, you may have some wiggle room there, her insurer will be obliged to cover and 3rd party costs and she may be in the shit if she's only on the policy as SDP.

[jmc330i]

You can enter hatched markings bordered by broken white lines if its deemed as necessary AND safe to do so. You cannot cross a solid white line unless in an emergency.

As pointed out above your problem will be the length of the skid mark, but also the fact you crossed the hatchings as 'I didn't want to wait in traffic' is probably not classed as nescessary. You would also have to drive through the right turn lane for the oncoming vehicles, not safe to do so....


That said, you can see where some hatchings have been removed to add the right turn lane, so maybe the hatchings leading up to that should have a solid white line surrounding them - it would never be safe to enter those hatchings before a junction.

One of our work drivers had a similar incident, but argued the road markings confused him as the hatchings (before a junction) had broken lines so he thought it would be safe. Three weeks after the incident, the broken white lines had been painted over to become solid white lines. A year later, the junction had changed to a small roundabout.

[macas]

I do have a 1.6 four door with chrome trim on the doors its red with coachlines along the side and original bmw wheel trims. Stock car no mods. I do come to hockley but not wharf st

Yes i have seen it....very very nice lookin car...

[Shmallpaul]

What I would be thinking of here is what the insurance company can see as evidence while looking at the case. You have no photos of the incident, does she? It would probably boil down to a split blame from them, but she has how many witnesses? That are police officers? I wouldn't be suprised if it ended up in her favour..

However that private quote is bullshit. Try seeing if she can be persuaded to go to a insurance approved spray shop. (not a random backstreets one that you know personally) make sure to tell her that if this goes to insurance THIS is where it will get repaired. Would knock a big chunk off the quote..

[Martinaston]

With only one looong skid mark you've lost traction on one side because you've braked while your tyre was on the white line so the car has taken longer to stop so you may be ok there.
The bit I don't get is why the damage is on the left side of both cars ?
How far over were you?
Surely it would have been head on if you were both on the ghost island ?

[Kos]

You do not have to persuade her to do anything

Ring your insurer, let them know what happened and give them her details

As for witnesses, they don't like witnesses that are connected to either party. So all her work colleagues regardless of their job can not pile in and make accusations and I doubt they will

[dsiingh]

Morning people, had a sleepless night.

With only one looong skid mark you've lost traction on one side because you've braked while your tyre was on the white line so the car has taken longer to stop so you may be ok there.
The bit I don't get is why the damage is on the left side of both cars ?
How far over were you?
Surely it would have been head on if you were both on the ghost island ?

It would have been head on but i swerved out of the way to try and avoid this accident. IF she had she continued straight into the road on to her lane instead of driving in the hashings as i was it wouldve been avoided .

What I would be thinking of here is what the insurance company can see as evidence while looking at the case. You have no photos of the incident, does she? It would probably boil down to a split blame from them, but she has how many witnesses? That are police officers? I wouldn't be suprised if it ended up in her favour..

However that private quote is bullshit. Try seeing if she can be persuaded to go to a insurance approved spray shop. (not a random backstreets one that you know personally) make sure to tell her that if this goes to insurance THIS is where it will get repaired. Would knock a big chunk off the quote..

The police officers never saw the collision occur, they just come running out after she started to shout for them. Then it was pretty much intimidation from then on. I took photos of the scene but not at the time of accident, I went back a few hours later, I also made a video of her to highlight the damage which is very minimal. As for insurance approved spray shop, the one i have used before is insurance approved, thats why I recommended I could get a quote, if i was at fault.

[Grrrmachine]

"When I saw her pull out into the highway with her head facing the wrong direction, I pulled into the hashings in an attempt to avoid a collision. Unfortunately officer, as you can see by the skidmarks, the speed with which she entered the oncoming traffic flow was too great for me to avoid the collision."

"When I spoke to the officer she told me her shift was just about to start, which may explain the speed with which she was approaching the junction."

That's exactly what happened, isn't it.

[Lurch320i]

I agree with aze30. The give way line she crosses means go if the way is clear and give way go oncoming traffic.and she obviously didn't if she hit you because you were oncoming traffic.yes you maybe a little bit at fault for driving on the hashings but its common around here to drive on them too.but im sure the law says that you can go on them if deemed necessary.fight her and her police friends.its wrong for them to try and intimidate you

you should of got loads of pictures to show where you both were positioned.