What is under the bonnet of this car?

[chip-3door]

Thanks nick darling, and can you pick up some vaseline on your way over later.

LOVE YOU, MWAH!!!!!

[Jon_Bmw]

Mr custard, in your "humble" opinion if it wouldn't cost 30 G's to up the spec of that car to said bhp value, what would it cost?

Pretty sure you won't be able to answer that one, and the one andrew has given is generalised i'm sure, but fork me i generalise everyday and i'm sure you do too. No need to keep on and on about the same point over and over, otherwise we'll be forced into ridiculing your 1.8 custard car with a cossie engine in it

Chill

[stevetigger]

1.8 custard car with a cossie engine in it

I believe it was a 1.6 doner!

[m3ben05]

WOW, chill out guys!

In reality BMW probably had a huge budget when they were developing these cars, way over 30k. Likes someone already said, racing success translates to sales of road cars.

In fact i believe the reason they stopped DTM in the mid 90s was that budgets were getting too big.

I believe that the cost of updating the car from 91 to 92 spec was around 18k, thats not just the engine but brakes, suspension and some body parts.

[TommyC]

Just to add to this, the cav touring cars were just about managing 300bhp and that was from 2litres if my sources are correct (not sure of what rpm that was at though).

I do know they suffered power losses towards the end of some races because the inlet was on the back of the engine. This meant they were sucking in the heat genrated by the exhaust which was on the front.

They approached to Swindon race engines to re-engineer the heads so they could be fitted on the other way round to eliminate this (other teams weren't happy cos they thought this was giving an unfair advantage in the from of direct ram air. This which was never proved).

Just to add some more fuel to the fire.....

I've found and re-read the info i have about the head conversion to run it the other way around.

If you went to swindon race engines with a bog standard C20XE (redtop) engine and asked them to turn it into a touring car spec lump (with a reversed head), they'd be asking you for a minimum of 20K!!!!!!!

[redrobbie]

I know fook all bout engines and am not taking sides at all, the only thing thing i hate about chip is the integra(B18C) in that list, explain to me how that thing produces 200bhp from 1.8litre engine , it's voodoo i tells ya.

But I don't care what anyone says about Andrew . he's a top fella . Always there when you need help on your motor, now you can't ask for more.

Chip why don't you focus your energy on this, how the hell did those japs do it then? People are just managing to get that under that figure from the newer vanos 2.8 m52's 197bhp. But they walts along onto the scene with their 1.8 litre and pull out 200 bhp .

[chip-3door]

I know fook all bout engines and am not taking sides at all, the only thing thing i hate about chip is the integra(B18C) in that list, explain to me how that thing produces 200bhp from 1.8litre engine , it's voodoo i tells ya.

Revs mate, well over 200bhp N/A is easily achieved form the 1.8 when on throttle bodies and a decent modified head etc like mine.

Well like mine was I should say, some coont has stripped it for parts in my mates workshop and left me with just a shell and a very comprehensive cage now


Jon_BMW, without far more details of the engine i couldnt give you an exact spec, but as Ben has just said its only 18K to go for the compelte upgrade including brakes and suspension etc, its obviously a lot less than that for just the engine.

Its almost impossible to spend 50K (bare in mind the original is probably 20K including management and mapping etc) on a relatively basic spec race N/A motor.

The key to more power is always very simple, making it rev even further and keeping it one peace, with the tradeoff being less and less torque lower down.


TommyC, swindon would definately be charging you over 20K from scratch for a reverse head touring car motor, but when you consider that includes actually turning the head around, and labour etc it becomes obvious to see why i dont see 30K of parts in going from an engine which is already on a drysump etc and most of the other expensive bits and just getting a bit more power out of it, as you can literally do it from scratch including labour for that figure on most engines.

[m3ben05]

Dont those integra's have around 200bhp standard

[chip-3door]

Dont those integra's have around 200bhp standard

A little under that, but yes basically.

And 8900rpm rev limiter as standard, and still reliable for potentially a couple of hundred K

They even manage to go 50K miles service interval between having the tappets adjusted.


Utterly awesome bits of engineering, but TBH so is the M3 3.0 engine really, thats almost as much per litre with neraly 300bhp on tap!

[dn808e]

HI. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL ,GOOD ,BAD, UGLY, NO EXEPTION.
i'm very happy to whish you all the best in the new year to ALL YOUR families and friends.

well ,i'm confused more than ever, standard 215 + upgtade kit 40bhp,
+exaust 10bhp .=265bhp
no turbos no superch ,
what else did i mist in order to get this mistical 360 bhp on 8500revs
please enlight me stupid ,
and about 30 k budjet .what are they (i mean what parts)can cost on BMW m3 so much money .is this labor or the real price of each part as crunk , valves ets and where it is possible to have a look at the price list
if someone knows the company who deals with this stuff.
p.s. When is the next meeting just let us know .
or we all could just meet in the BIG pub in the 4 5 week's time ,ON THE NEWTRAL TERRITORY eg CYTI OF CAMBRIDGE,
just bring your cars and" let the peace pipe ignight,takin' us to the ultimate hights "
I PERSONALY CAN GET vodka WITH HONEY ,made IN Ukraine

OR I'M TALKING RUBISH?

[dn808e]

HI ,here some good memmories ,sorry for the quality ,could not get better ,
enjoy
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[tylerma]

well this thread got turned into a load of old wank didnt it

[m3ben05]

well this thread got turned into a load of old wank didnt it

My thoughts exactly

[fuzzy]

its all got a bit random

[Cotty]

tvr is fiberglass bucket of shit with crap build quality,

Does this come from personal experience of running one as your only car or from what you have heard

[pacerpete]

Kos has had plenty of experience with fibreglass buckets of sh*t , remember he's got the M3 that Dips used to own !
Sorry Kos i couldn't help myself !

I and several mates have owned all manner of griffs, chimaeras and other blackpool landfill , and our unanimous view is that they are a potpourri of poorly assembled cheap low rent components covered in a very thin (wafer!) bespoke veneer. If you must have an unreliable turd that reeks of fibreglass and wet carpets try an mgb for Ԛ£500 !
Sad as they are i am sure i will have another griff, they are pretty, easy and cheap to fix, fast ,they sound brilliant and there is always a victim waiting to buy it when you have had enough !

[Dan318-is]

anyone been in the new sagaris?

its more solidely buil than you think!

still bad dont get me wrong

the thing is with TVR's, they r so fuckign quick!! for the money you pay its a go kart for the road and a bit more

personally id have a 4.5 red rose cerbera in my garage n e day!

[Cotty]

I and several mates have owned all manner of griffs, chimaeras and other blackpool landfill , and our unanimous view is that they are a potpourri of poorly assembled cheap low rent components covered in a very thin (wafer!) bespoke veneer. If you must have an unreliable turd that reeks of fibreglass and wet carpets try an mgb for Ԛ£500 !
Sad as they are i am sure i will have another griff, they are pretty, easy and cheap to fix, fast ,they sound brilliant and there is always a victim waiting to buy it when you have had enough !

Fair enough if you speak from personal experience. What bugs me is people who have no first hand knowlage jumping on the TVR's are rubbish bandwaggon.

Yes they have problems but the so do all cars. I have had things go wrong with both my E30's and my TVR. In three years or running a TVR as my only car it let me down twice, starter motor and overheated both related to the Ford engine.

On any car forum people with have problems that they need help with, people see these or hear from other people and just assume they break down all the time. Anyone looking on this forum could be forgiven for thinking that E30 break down all they time but people rarely if ever post topics like "my car is working fine" and "I have no problems with my car".

[glenn]

i had a tvr, a 450se.
speaking from personal experience, i didn't let me down in the 12 months
i owned it.
i did replace fractured fuel lines though!
and it was damp in the winter and the wood veneer was starting to peel
great sounding 4.5 litre rover lump, not as quick as i was expecting though

[Dan318-is]

the cerbera had tvrs own V8 in it so was probably a lot quicker than that buick based piece of crap

[HartgeH27]

Ok guys gonna lock this one up as its going way off the original subject.