sport evo in black on pistonheads

[gary]

600 of them, 400 left. Not exactly what I'd call rare. Wonder how many are left on the shores from the uk run of them ? I think there were 50 uk ones.

That's 600 in the world. I would say that was quite rare

indeed it is

especially one with a kinky black & red leather trim

Lol.... It is indeed a bit tarty, but then so am I

[Topblag]

I totally agree, quite rare.

Amazing car though, owners must be smiling with every one sold. Best of both worlds, get to drive it and watch it appreciate every time you park your arse in it.

[pony]

I am not sure how much prices will increase though
Personally can't these going past £100k but never say never u never know

[Kos]

I am not sure how much prices will increase though
Personally can't these going past £100k but never say never u never know

rumour has it, that a couple have already

[pony]

Seems like M3 Sport Evolution is going to have a triple AAA credit rating soon

Rumours are rumours may not be true

[Kos]

If a 'bonkers' car came up for sale today it would sell for over £100,000 considering we sell rubbish at £40,000

[bmwsport]

Even though I really do love the E30, no matter how rich I was I just couldn't justify parting with that amount of cash for any 80's scrap, no matter how mint/rare it is. There are better ways to spend that sort of cash, saying that I don't think I would part with 100k on ANY car/money pit/liability

Speaking of rare I have trawled the internet over and over and have found it impossible to locate another Hartge H28 so that must be one of the rarest E30 models around (however I know its a non official tuner). With that in mind I bet if I put my car up for sale at 10k there would still be a load of you saying it was too expensive and that's only 10% of the figures we're talking here for another 'rare' E30. 400 compared to a possible handful or even just the one is quite a difference! so 600/400 isn't really too rare in my eyes.

[Kos]

The problem with Hartge, is they they can at times be seen as built by a man in a shed. Some of what they did wasn't pretty.
If your car is in good order and original then I don't see why 10k would be too much. C2's get that so that's the guide line for H27's & H28's but ultimately M's & Alpinas will be worth more

Would I spend 100k on a sport evo, of I won that £80,000,000 jackpot last night then I possibly would, but I'd certainly buy one of the last of the line DTM cars which are going for more than that.

[bmwsport]

I wonder is Hartge de and Birds UK had different standards in build quality, Mine is German/LHD with plaque under bonnet. I've not really inspected a UK build under a fine tooth comb but I agree a couple of bits could have been accomplished a little better with more attention to detail but I'm a pernickety sod anyway. It would be interesting to compare it to the 2.8 Alpina equivalent as I know a couple are knocking about somewhere.

[pony]

The only cars with a fighting chance of commanding £100k or more are the delivery mileage as new examples like "Bonkers"

But these cars not being driven is this worse for their health than examples which are used very regularly ?
So the very low mileage cars might have
Original bushes
Flat spots on tyres
Engine / suspension parts because not driven in need of lubrication
Time based servicing on brake fluid / coolant / oil
Old petrol in the fuel tank

So are the higher mileage examples in better condition than low mileage ?

Should I win £80 million lottery I would have Sport Evolution too for the sheer hell of it but would also have the best 325 Sport, M3 CSL and loads of exotica (McLaren F1, Porsche 959, Porsche 993 Turbo, M6 V10, M635CSi) I could get my hands on and a humble E39 M5

[Kos]

It's in German built cars that I've seen lots of hammer action by Herbert

[pony]

Forgive me but who is Herbert ?

[Simon13]

Hartge

[The_Diddler]

The car leaving 4star classic



Must have a lot of owners

check out the well overloaded 1k transit tugging 70 grands worth of motors
that says a lot about the seller !!!

Lol... the trailors clean, bet its borrowed

LOL You guys really need to do your homework first........

TSK 2 You is a car transportation company, the vehicle is not a 1K ford turd but a 2004 VW something or other.

Company looks professional enough judging by its web-site, check out some of the other turds its transported.

Shoot first ask questions later hey.................

http://www.tsk-2-you.com/index.htm

[pony]

Speaking of M3 Sport Evolutions I dug this out ?

http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=161&i=19345

The owner of this has owned this example from new covering 75k miles at the time of 2009. I wonder if he is on here ? Maybe Pete knows him he seems to know everyone with an old BMW these days ?

[pukar]

lancia integrales seem to have gone up lately

[Andyboy]

I should have kept mine. I bought it from Pete in 2001 (?) for £12'000 or thereabouts, as a fully sorted car. It was a good original car needing a light resto. It had never seen a track day and had all the original bits. Many M3's including Sport Evos back then (and now) were sheds, wrecks that had been on 136 track days, had the rear parcel shelf beasted for big speakers and had seen the bodyshop too many times. This one needed a scuttle as it was festering in one corner and a full glass out repaint. It had never gone rusty and hadn't done that many miles - about 80'000 iirc. It had a good history, being registered to BMW AG in Munich for its first three years before being sold off to a BMW dealer in Hamburg. It was built with cloth trim but by 2001, was leathered.
I sold it a year later in a deal with a 3.0 CSL - big mistake! Oh well.......

The reg is H883JLA and it's whored about by various mags and websites, a black one with leather. That car today would be 50-60 grand because it was such a good one but the current owner has no intention of selling.

[THE_GODFATHER]

For a 70k sport evo garage queen you could get alot of kit for that sort of money porsche ,ferrari ,lambo

[Royalratch]

Yep.

Its now a second or third car really. Not really drivable if low mileage. A real fans car or trader.

[daimlerman]

Yep.

Not really drivable if low mileage.

Bit like keeping a woman just to look at....

[Kos]

Yep.

Not really drivable if low mileage.

Bit like keeping a woman just to look at....

Nothing wrong with a trophy bird. Much like a trophy car you can still touch it and get in it and use it with out resorting to rape

She is loyal, stays unabuaed and doesn't age

[Kos]

lancia integrales seem to have gone up lately

As is every 70's 80's & 90's hero chariot

[pony]

I should have kept mine. I bought it from Pete in 2001 (?) for £12'000 or thereabouts, as a fully sorted car. It was a good original car needing a light resto. It had never seen a track day and had all the original bits. Many M3's including Sport Evos back then (and now) were sheds, wrecks that had been on 136 track days, had the rear parcel shelf beasted for big speakers and had seen the bodyshop too many times. This one needed a scuttle as it was festering in one corner and a full glass out repaint. It had never gone rusty and hadn't done that many miles - about 80'000 iirc. It had a good history, being registered to BMW AG in Munich for its first three years before being sold off to a BMW dealer in Hamburg. It was built with cloth trim but by 2001, was leathered.
I sold it a year later in a deal with a 3.0 CSL - big mistake! Oh well.......

The reg is H883JLA and it's whored about by various mags and websites, a black one with leather. That car today would be 50-60 grand because it was such a good one but the current owner has no intention of selling.

Hi how do u know has never been on track days ? That statement is impossible to prove unless u owned it from new.

Is funny that these models r commanding high prices when back in the 90s u point out they had seen better days. I can only presume as these assets / cars have been appreciating in recent years owners have been keeping up maitrnancw for the decent examples about today. Where .... HAD the model been DEPRECIATING like most other cars on this planet I can only presume they would be run on a shoe string like most other M cars and modded and tinted endlessly. I think cars like this there prices are very mileage sensitive and god knows how easy to clock these. Plus most Dealers don't have electronic history of dealer visits back then. Condition should be the main factor regarding price

[pony]

There are people out there are buying brand new M3s for £50-60k so there are people that can potentially buy SE. Depends whether they want to spend all that on the ultimate E30 M3 or would they rather have a brand new M3 ?

Though Evo magazine did say in writing the M3 SE is the greatest M ever at the time of writing in 2007. Mind u the kind of kudos M3 SE gets is mainly in BMW enthusiasts rather than for posing value on the street

[Simon]

LOL You guys really need to do your homework first........

TSK 2 You is a car transportation company, the vehicle is not a 1K ford turd but a 2004 VW something or other.

Company looks professional enough judging by its web-site, check out some of the other turds its transported.

Shoot first ask questions later hey.................

http://www.tsk-2-you.com/index.htm

To be fair, when I saw the pic, it's the first thing I thought too...postioning and the type of straps used is a bit shocking too...!

[Andyboy]

I should have kept mine. I bought it from Pete in 2001 (?) for £12'000 or thereabouts, as a fully sorted car. It was a good original car needing a light resto. It had never seen a track day and had all the original bits. Many M3's including Sport Evos back then (and now) were sheds, wrecks that had been on 136 track days, had the rear parcel shelf beasted for big speakers and had seen the bodyshop too many times. This one needed a scuttle as it was festering in one corner and a full glass out repaint. It had never gone rusty and hadn't done that many miles - about 80'000 iirc. It had a good history, being registered to BMW AG in Munich for its first three years before being sold off to a BMW dealer in Hamburg. It was built with cloth trim but by 2001, was leathered.
I sold it a year later in a deal with a 3.0 CSL - big mistake! Oh well.......

The reg is H883JLA and it's whored about by various mags and websites, a black one with leather. That car today would be 50-60 grand because it was such a good one but the current owner has no intention of selling.

Hi how do u know has never been on track days ? That statement is impossible to prove unless u owned it from new.

I heard your M3 has been in a massive shunt and reshelled. Prove me wrong.

[death]

the traders and collectors have hyped the sport evo market ......

[pony]

I should have kept mine. I bought it from Pete in 2001 (?) for £12'000 or thereabouts, as a fully sorted car. It was a good original car needing a light resto. It had never seen a track day and had all the original bits. Many M3's including Sport Evos back then (and now) were sheds, wrecks that had been on 136 track days, had the rear parcel shelf beasted for big speakers and had seen the bodyshop too many times. This one needed a scuttle as it was festering in one corner and a full glass out repaint. It had never gone rusty and hadn't done that many miles - about 80'000 iirc. It had a good history, being registered to BMW AG in Munich for its first three years before being sold off to a BMW dealer in Hamburg. It was built with cloth trim but by 2001, was leathered.
I sold it a year later in a deal with a 3.0 CSL - big mistake! Oh well.......

The reg is H883JLA and it's whored about by various mags and websites, a black one with leather. That car today would be 50-60 grand because it was such a good one but the current owner has no intention of selling.

Hi how do u know has never been on track days ? That statement is impossible to prove unless u owned it from new.

I heard your M3 has been in a massive shunt and reshelled. Prove me wrong.

Hardly the constructive comment I was expecting from a "respected E30 author"

[Andyboy]

Hi how do u know has never been on track days ? That statement is impossible to prove unless u owned it from new.

I heard your M3 has been in a massive shunt and reshelled. Prove me wrong.

Hardly the constructive comment I was expecting from a "respected E30 author"

Oh well, I will shed a tear for u. Sorry u feel that way. The answer reflected the question perfectly.

[Fastroad]

I heard your M3 has been in a massive shunt and reshelled. Prove me wrong.

Hardly the constructive comment I was expecting from a "respected E30 author"

Oh well, I will shed a tear for u. Sorry u feel that way. The answer reflected the question perfectly.

If I remember correctly, this car was a dealers executives car and then passed to another dealer executive after that it was imported by a diplomat to the UK (not really a racer more for that fact it was the top of the range car in its class) and Pete bought it off him.

Judging from that its more then likely it was not tracked, but I'm sure Pete could shed more light on that.

[Fastroad]

Sold for £63k today, now with this mileage it makes it a rare piece hence the price it sold for.
Anything double mileage can not be of the same value or any where near the same value in my opinion.

[harry_p]

Shame the wheels aren't standard and the side indicators are on the wrong side

[death]

Where did that sport evo sell abroad or the uk

[Fastroad]

Included original wheels. Not feeling the indicators but it is what it is

[death]

At 63k damm rite the original wheels should come with the purchase