Dodgy Buyer!!

[Jhonno]

PMSL.. Ata in another dodgy deal saga. The guy is an underhand scammer. Only out to make money throught whatever means he can. There is nothing wrong with that VIN plate, and I bet his mate wasn't a real lawyer.. He was just hoping you'd cave.

Cunt.

[j2b]

Most enjoyable thread , lol

[ucpsale]

I would not have a problem with that plate, having drilled (removed) many.

[aze30]

without the log book verification of it being a Sport

You supposedly know E30's ?

Since when did saying "Sport" on the logbook actually mean anything ?

Surely a £3 Mytextcheck or even a full blown £20 HPi check together with a quick call to your local dealer with the VIN before you spend any money travelling to see the car or stumping up £100 deposit would tell you exactly what it is.

Sounds to me like you prefer to try and intimidate this seller into thinking his car was dodgy to get it for a lower price with nothing of any substance to actually back it up.

***Edit - just noticed this newly MOT'd "apparently genuine" Tech 1 Sport was up for the eye watering price of £800 - whether it was or wasn't a genuine sport if all the bits were present WTF did you expect for £800 ??? ***

perfectly put

[m_jermyn]

The Haywood,


Cut the language mate...

[The_Haywood]

Apologies.... I was just jesting

[m_jermyn]

I know mate, all is good

[capri_rob]

Pic of the vin printed under the windscreen. . .





Pic of the vin plate. . .




This is the vin number that bmw checked and gave me the build sheet for, showing that it is in fact a genuine tech 1. It was also swapped off the zone around 2 years ago off a member called steve bates.

He then noticed the vin numbers didnt match and I suppose, due to the shock of finding this out, I failed to check them while he was there.

Golfman I'm a little confused by this.

The vin plate also identifies the car as a 325i so there's no question of it being a 316 or whatever thats been converted.

I'm assuming you were there when the viewing took place - so does Ata need his eyesight testing ? There is no question as far as I can see of the numbers not matching so why did you not just ask him to actually show you what he meant when he told you the numbers didnt match rather than flapping around trying to find the v5 which doesnt prove anything anyway - the proof was right in front of you !

[Jim320i]

Missed a fair bit with this one

I went bed early.

Sorry Golfman but looking at the Vin plate, I would question it too, regardless of what others say, No V5 and it looks tampered and its from Birmingham...


I dont see why the vin plate would have been removed and replace when the rest of the surrounding looks rusty enough to be original aswell as the massive screw/bolt to the left of it looks untouched in all of its life.

And @ the others - Yeah, Mobster bought the turd I was saving for. Might have saved me loads of hassle but i'll never know.

But I got a sneaky feeling it will reappear again for sale at some point by one of them, not that I will be buying it.


Anyway, back on the subject of this Sport. Golfman, I'll give you £500 and i'll come and pick it up today.

[capri_rob]

No v5 aside I don't see what the problem is - the most important VIN identiciation is the one stamped in the scuttle - which looks original and not tampered with.

The secondary plate near the headlamp matches the number stamped into the scuttle and also identifies the car as a 325i

Even if the front panel has been replaced and the vin plate re-riveted on the numbers match and the car type is correct.

Am I missing something ?

[kieran325]

I can't see a problem with the stamp and plate either.

V5 not present is a bit unnerving but not a critical issue imo.

It's £800 at the end of the day, not £8000

[d6dph]

I can't see a problem with the stamp and plate either.

V5 not present is a bit unnerving but not a critical issue imo.

It's £800 at the end of the day, not £8000

This!

What's to say the slam panel was replaced recently, could have been done in the first 5 years of its life thus the slight bend and surrounding rust.

I wouldn't be stressing over that tbh.

[cecotto479]

Absolutely agree.

But to be fair to Atta, however much it pains me, it appears as though he just asked for his deposit back and didn't try to bid the seller down. So he must have decided for some reason that he didn't want the car at any price. His justification for that was dodgy looking VIN plate and no V5. On that basis, I hate to say it, but he's entitled to his deposit back in my view. If he had tried to get the price down, then he was at it, but he didn't and with two undeniable issues, I think he's entitled to a refund.

Let's be honest, if there was money to be made he'd have been all over it like a rash - there must be something funny.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the VIN - the scuttle stamped one is way more important than the thin ally plate - and the V5 is no big deal. I refuse to believe that neither Mobster nor Atta (a match made in heaven, if ever there was one) have bought a car without the V5.

But the combination of the two gives him a get out in my view. Not that, on their own, these two issues would have put me off.

[Curr946]

Anyway, back on the subject of this Sport. Golfman, I'll give you £500 and i'll come and pick it up today.

Fancy putting your lawnmower away...

£500 for a sport with a years ticket... this ain't christmas pmsl

[Simon13]

ata aint entitled to f**k all. He didn't buy it, you lose the deposit. If your stupid enough to put a deposit down over the phone without even looking at a car then tough.

More to the point our collective of retard moderators allowed this fool back on the forum after several bans and this happens?! Is anyone surprised?

It beggars belief really.

[Jim320i]

Anyway, back on the subject of this Sport. Golfman, I'll give you £500 and i'll come and pick it up today.

Fancy putting your lawnmower away...

£500 for a sport with a years ticket... this ain't christmas pmsl

Thought I would try my luck.

[Steve-E30]

Whats nice to see out of this is the mods have left this open to see peoples views on ata and left the fool in the slammer for another day
I know all banned members were allowed back but he has royally taken the p1ss at the team
So many incidents since he has been allowed back , These stand out the most ...
The hartge with its "added" goodies and iffy mot
The red non runner sport palmed off as good (Head gasket gone)
The list goes on , I wouldnt buy nowt off him
Its only be a matter of time before he gets fed up of this place and takes a few zoners for a load of money then runs , Dont say i didnt warn you !
The guy is only interested in nicking a car cheap and bullshitting it up to palm off on zoners
Its if he is a newbie trying to palm there crap off not a zone trader which puts this place down , Hes only after a quick buck
I could see this tech 1 going the same way from the original post as soon as we knew who the potential buyer was
He rubs everyone up the wrong way and is no asset to the zone yet he is allowed to trade
Whats that say to the other genuine traders
£800 for a tech 1 sport is a good price with or without v5
Guy needs banning and not allowing back ..... Simples

[cecotto479]

I don't disagree with any of that. I've absolutely no time for him at all, but if the seller didn't tell him there was no V5 before he came, I think he's within his rights not to proceed. It'd not bother me, but Atta and Mobster are obviously far more scrupulous than me.

[Simon13]

As said mods, brick wall ala f**k all.

Don't expect anything to come of it

[mrLEE30]

More to the point our collective of retard moderators allowed this fool back on the forum after several bans and this happens?! Is anyone surprised?

It beggars belief really.

As retards we have let several banned members back on this site, the issue with ata is being discussed so that we stick to a consist(e)nt ruling, based in what rules he has recently broken, and his previous punishments for breaking similar rules. But as we are a collection of retards it takes time, thus for the time being he is being held in "remand".

[Simon13]

maybe i could suggest using the word consistant to the you lot in the private section and thinking about what it means?

And while we are here discuss the term "do as i say not as i do" I heard brianmoore uses it as his no.1 moderating skill.

[mrLEE30]

You need to ask Brian about that.

No doubt once a consensus on Ata is reached an announcement will be made for everyone to criticise.

[mrLEE30]

Oh, and thank you for the spell check.

[golfman]

To be fair to the mods, banning him wouldnt have stopped him trying to rip me off. He contacted me from my add on pistonheads.

cecotto479, I believe he planned to take the car home for about £400 (plus the deposit he had paid to hold the car). Because I know what it's worth, he realised he would have to pay what I wanted for it and demanded his deposit back. A deposit by definition is. . . A partial or initial payment of a cost or debt: left a $100 deposit toward the purchase of a stereo system. so he had already bought the car and decided to back out. As I said, i'd have dropped the car to him myself if the v5 was the problem, I was more than happy to take him to my house and show him i.d, and i'v no doubt whatsoever that he has bought cars with no v5 in the past, it was a tactic to rip me off.

As said, it says 325i on the vin plate, yet he accused it of being a tarted up 316! The reason I didnt check the numbers was shock, this man (who up to this point was friendly and trustworthy) had just told me the car was a ringer/fake/cut and shut. I'v loved this car for the past 2 years and as soon as he said it, I was thinking about where I could go to get it checked over. The second he left, after he had made some ominous ''phone call's'' I checked the numbers and realised he's a liar.

[Steve-E30]

The fact he said it was a ringer but still wanted to buy it at a cheaper rate is wrong
Even if the deal was on the zone or not hes a member/trader on here and think his actions were bang out of order
It would have been for sale on here a week later at over a grand and yet again everyone would have kicked off at his underhand tactics !

[cecotto479]

Did he try to buy it cheaper than you had agreed? Did he offer you £400? Or just ask for his money back?

[polsta]

I don't disagree with any of that. I've absolutely no time for him at all, but if the seller didn't tell him there was no V5 before he came, I think he's within his rights not to proceed. It'd not bother me, but Atta and Mobster are obviously far more scrupulous than me.

have to agree with this, if you didnt know that, went to see a car and no v5 and vins didnt match- good reason to suspect somethings not right, surely its expected to get a full refund, i would and wouldnt leave without it ,simple as that.

[Steve-E30]

Polsta , Have you read the whole thread ?

[Simon13]

i'm not out for a spell check lesson but getting my point across, what the mods (ie you) fail to realise is the word team. There is no "I" in team you are as one or should be. Passing the buck on "oh ask Brian" stinks of i'll try and calm things but aslong as my sh!t don't stink then f**k the team.

Or am i being a racialist (spell check)

Well there really isn't alot to think discuss about ata is there?

[kieran325]

Polsta , Have you read the whole thread ?

Clearly not.

[golfman]

firstly. the vins do match, as i'v proven. secondly, if the v5 was the problem, why did he still want the car? As soon as i said the v5 has been lost, he should have said, im not interested and we'd have come to an agreement, this man tried to rip me off plain and simple.

Cecotto, he told me the car was a ringer and that the v5 worried him, he then said I do want the car but wont pay what your asking, what can you drop it to? I spoke to the missus and she said it's a good car, dont drop it at all. I knocked £75 off for him. He realised I wasnt gonna be taken for a mug and drop it to what he wanted then started spouting off that he wanted his deposit due to the vins and v5. He even said that if I could prove the vehicles identity and get the v5 he'd still want it, then when I checked the vins and realised he'd lied, I posted on here.

The v5 means absolutely nothing at all. The vins are fine, hpi is fine, I could prove who I am and my address, I even offered to go to bmw and supply him with a report on the vehicles identity to which he replied ''bmw know nothing''. I'm a genuine guy who was selling a genuine tech 1 sport for £800. Iv got a 300bhp volvo and need a cheap daily as my gf's first car, I dont want her crashing a tech 1. All you guys who have concentrated on the v5, would it have been better to tell him when he was on the train coming here? I was even down my girlfriends searching her house when he arrived, I havent lied to him or deceived him in any way.

[cecotto479]

All I'm saying is that if you don't know that you're not getting the V5 when you go to collect it, I think you're probably entitled to pull out.

But it wouldn't cause me any undue concern, nor would the VIN plate pictured.

If he didn't try to bid you down, just said he didn't want it and wanted his money back, I don't think he's done
much wrong.

This time.

[Jim320i]

Hmmm... You do realise Ata is a trader? He is gonna try and get it cheaper than what its advetised for. The fact that he noticed the dodgy looking VIN plate is good enough reason to try and knock it down. Even if he knew it was genuine, at th end of the day, he is trying to make some cash from it...

Personally, I would have been weary upon seeing the VIN plate and no V5. The picture shows a messed up vin plate but whos to say that hasnt been tarted up since Ata seen it?


Everyone seems to be jumping on and saying Ata is in the wrong when I dont think he is... Golfman, no offense to you at all but if it had been Ata trying to sell this in the first place, I can gaurentee the majority of people posting, 'I wouldnt be worried about no V5 and the vin plate' would be jumping on the Ata is trying to rip us off with a ringer. But because its not Ata trying to sell it everyone seems to be cool and he is in the wrong?


At the end of the day, everyone has their opinions and thats all they are. Ata was trying to get the car cheaper... So what? Has no one ever tried to knock the price down when buying a car? No one ever bought up it might need new tyres or the interior is shabby? Pretty sure we all have...

He doesnt owe anyone anything on here so why should he care that there are a few people that think he is trying to rip of the zone members? What he has sold on here in the past, no one seems to have had issues with whatsoever...

[cecotto479]

Fair enough. Just read your crosspost. He's an arm chancing, shell suit wearing, untrustworthy, cheating, lying, lowlife scouse scum.

Give him bugger all.

[golfman]

Apart from imply my car's a ringer and threten me? Including threatening to call the police about my cut and shut car so that I lose it? Scare tactics just got my back up and my gf had to tell me to calm down, I was close to smacking him. Calling me allsorts in the street.

To be honest I cant believe, as a trader, your condoning lying about a vehicles identity to lower the value and condering that he's ''not done much wrong''. How would you feel if your partner/parent etc sold a car to him because he said it was a ringer?

If this was a simple case of him not wanting the car because of the v5 do you think i'd have even bothered posting about it??