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Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:24 am

mobster wrote: If you are as genuine as you say you are the, then give him back his deposit, and then get the belt out and use it until she finds the friggin V5 !!!
Pmsl. Brilliant.

To be honest if you could no prove it was a sport without the v5 then it would be a deal breaker unless the price fell to 2.5 money...

After reading this thread with great interest i too would like to know who the arsehole is...
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:53 am

I'd just like to add my 2p's worth as well!

I am new here but just read this thread! For a start, I'll just point out, I'm a scouser! We're not all bad! LOL!

Firstly, I agree with whats been said. OP, you were selling the car, if your having peopel come visit, it is always worth having the correct documentation ready for them to view - plain and simply because you would be selling the car easier!

Secondly, the deposit - if it was agree'd it was non refundable, don't give him it back. if you didn't state 'non refundable' then hand it over. With the MOT, I'm sure you will get your £800 asking price! Also, when selling a car, advertise it a bit higher than you want, because, lets be honest, not many people ever pay the asking price for a car.

And finally, with regards to buying a car without a V5, I have done this in the past. I had a Mk3 VW Golf cabriolet which I agree'd to straight swap with a forum member from Vzi for a 1972 VW Beetle. As I live in Liverpool and he lived in Reading we agree'd to meet in Solihull to do the deal. When he turned up he had part of the V5. The wrong part. I'm unsure how he got it but he only had the two parts that were worthles, the dealers slip and another part. He didn't have the front part nor the part that I would fill in and keep until the new one arrived.

I filled a form in, sent it to the DVLA with a fee and recieved a new one in my name 6 weeks later. The previous owners details were of someone else, not the guy I bought it from. I have no doubt he was legit but he clearly never had a copy in his name.

Not something I would go about doing it again, if it had have been proved stolen I'd have lost £1300. BUT you can do it, it isn't the end of the world if the car doesn't have one!
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:02 am

Woodybeefcake wrote:And finally, with regards to buying a car without a V5, I have done this in the past. I had a Mk3 VW Golf cabriolet which I agree'd to straight swap with a forum member from Vzi for a 1972 VW Beetle. As I live in Liverpool and he lived in Reading we agree'd to meet in Solihull to do the deal. When he turned up he had part of the V5. The wrong part. I'm unsure how he got it but he only had the two parts that were worthles, the dealers slip and another part. He didn't have the front part nor the part that I would fill in and keep until the new one arrived.

I filled a form in, sent it to the DVLA with a fee and recieved a new one in my name 6 weeks later. The previous owners details were of someone else, not the guy I bought it from. I have no doubt he was legit but he clearly never had a copy in his name.

Not something I would go about doing it again, if it had have been proved stolen I'd have lost £1300. BUT you can do it, it isn't the end of the world if the car doesn't have one!
The V5 is not proof of ownership. I could send away a v62 for your car knowing you were on a months cruse around the world or somthing, nick it and hide it. Receive the V5 and the sell it... who owns the car????
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:19 am

I work in the trade and cars are sold quite often with no logbook , Its no biggy
Simple hpi would clear it all up , Its £25 i believe for another logbook
Eta knows his e30s apparently so sport on the logbook or not he knows what hes looking for
We know there are a lot of "doctored" logbooks with sport on them
It seems apparent from previous cars he has bought that eta will put a deposit down to hold the car then go view/collect then bid the owner in the nutts , Sound familiar ??
He does the same with cars over ebay as well , ,The hartge and the tech 2 red sport are a couple to start with , Guys a tool , If it was me id keep his deposit , Whats he gonna do ... Really ??
Keep texts and copy everything he has written on here if your that bothered
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:29 am

i've bought a few cars with no v5.

it's easy to spot a ringer if you know what to look for .

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Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:44 am

magpie wrote:i've bought a few cars with no v5.

it's easy to spot a ringer if you know what to look for .

the car world is full of sharks!
Sharks in cheap tracksuits mick :thumb:
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:55 am

my 2c as a lawyer, is , you entered a verbal contract to hold the car until tuesday and put a mot on it, which you did, he didnt purchase it thats his problem you did your part of the contract, i may add verbal contracts are not binding by law in anycase, his use of inappropriate language and threats in text messages would incline me to suggest you save all communications, dont rise to it and just hand them over to the police for harassment, you dont need a V5 to sell a car, contacting the dvla whist there will confirm who is the owner, present v5 clearly state they just indicate who is responsible for taxes on the vehicle not who owns it although i wouldnt part with cash without signing one, but thats personal preference

if this went to small claims, his threats and manor of purchasing a car he hadn't seen and deception in vin numbers without looking at a v5 would be thrown out of court by a pre court assessor, due to the fact he's a confirmed liar, and if i was defending you id summon him for wasting the police and courts time if he submitted a claim and charge him the assessors costs.

That all said i am assuming you are being honest, the vin numbers arn't tampered with and you have not "miss sold" the vehicle with a incorrect description, in this case he is entitled to his money back and the courts would support him


then there's just the moral issue of it £100 that wasn't yours anyway just to resolve it??
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:00 pm

mobster wrote:Urm....how did he check the VIN number against the V5 if it is not present.....and more importantly, why would anyone buy a car without a V5.....and why would you even consider selling a car without a V5. I travelled to York last year to buy an E21. When i got there, the owner did not have the V5 (Did not tell me before i left) I took the coach back and went through small claims court to get my deposit back. I wasnt prepared to take another day off work, spend more money on train fares to pick up the car. I got the deposit back and all my £268 costs + my £200 deposit
I'm sorry, but No V5 then no sale and no deposit. Simple.
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Golfman, would you pls clarify how did you 2 check VIN numbers without the V5?

As far as I'm concerned if I was travelling to see a car I had left a deposit a week ago and the seller came up without a V5 failing to inform that in advance I'd get pissed off well.

Don't be offended but AFAIK if you had done that to me I'd think you're dodgy seller.
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:02 pm

Steve-E30 wrote:
magpie wrote:i've bought a few cars with no v5.

it's easy to spot a ringer if you know what to look for .

the car world is full of sharks!
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:30 pm

LLamaFarm wrote:my 2c as a lawyer, is , you entered a verbal contract to hold the car until tuesday and put a mot on it, which you did, he didnt purchase it thats his problem you did your part of the contract, i may add verbal contracts are not binding by law in anycase, his use of inappropriate language and threats in text messages would incline me to suggest you save all communications, dont rise to it and just hand them over to the police for harassment, you dont need a V5 to sell a car, contacting the dvla whist there will confirm who is the owner, present v5 clearly state they just indicate who is responsible for taxes on the vehicle not who owns it although i wouldnt part with cash without signing one, but thats personal preference

if this went to small claims, his threats and manor of purchasing a car he hadn't seen and deception in vin numbers without looking at a v5 would be thrown out of court by a pre court assessor, due to the fact he's a confirmed liar, and if i was defending you id summon him for wasting the police and courts time if he submitted a claim and charge him the assessors costs.

That all said i am assuming you are being honest, the vin numbers arn't tampered with and you have not "miss sold" the vehicle with a incorrect description, in this case he is entitled to his money back and the courts would support him


then there's just the moral issue of it £100 that wasn't yours anyway just to resolve it??
+1 :)

Can I just point out this tool has threatened him in his home.

Id bury him!!!! :x

What a Merseyside wannabe gangster. That really gets on my wick where chaps believe they can get there way with threats of violence.
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:59 pm

threatened in the home, every time he contacts you inform the local police and provide a statement, if you wish take out a restraining order which states he cant contact you or come within a set distance of your home or workplace. if he's still persistent after that the police can arrest him if he breaks it.

and if you really wanna go full barrel, then take him to court for distress damages LOL
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:03 pm

I think upload a picture so we can see the issue... Others are right though, if he gave a deposit a week before then turned up and you had got the V5 sorted, I would be a bit cheesed off.

The vin plate issue could well be him just trying to knock a few quid off. He is a trader and traders are there to make money.

Threats are not cool though. No one should be made to feel threatened and its down to the person but some people dont feel comfortable with it. I love them... :twisted: But thats a different matter.

I think, try to sort the issue out with him directly and Ata, when your back on, try to do the same mate. At the end of the day, your not a bad seller on here, regardless of what has gone on in the past. I have had bits off you just like loads of others have too and everyone has been happy from what I can see.

No point in getting banned every so often for not keeping your cool, especially when the zone can create a good income for you seeing as its the largest place for E30 owners...
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:27 pm

golfman wrote:Iv lost a week of potential sales due to this man, I also mot'ed it at his request.
do you really want to sell this or are you just having a moan about it????

I sent you a pm last night and im still waiting for a response........................................................
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:35 pm

I'm at a wedding at the moment so haven't had chance to reply. I'll inbox you later
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golfman wrote:I'm at a wedding at the moment so haven't had chance to reply. I'll inbox you later
cheers :wink:
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:03 pm

LLamaFarm wrote:my 2c as a lawyer, is , you entered a verbal contract to hold the car until tuesday and put a mot on it, which you did, he didnt purchase it thats his problem you did your part of the contract, i may add verbal contracts are not binding by law in anycase
You're a lawyer? Honestly!? Back to the books then my friend. A verbal contract is binding and legally enforceable. The problem will be proving it. It's more often than not one man's word against another. But it is indeed binding. In Scotland anyway, I suppose it might br different in Liverpool.
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:51 pm

^^ did you search that on goolge? because... well im not even gonna go into it but yes i am a lawyer, you have answered your own question about how it cant be legally binding in your statement above. its all about proof.
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:16 pm

No. It's from my recollection from 15 years as a solicitor. Some time ago certainly.

It's binding.

Whether you can prove it, and therefore enforce it, or not is a different issue. But to say, "I'm a lawyer. Verbal contracts aren't legally binding." is just bollocks and frankly makes you look a bit foolish. If you said, "Verbal contracts are binding but very difficult to prove", fair enough, but to declare your qualification at the outset and follow it by making the classic pub lawyer statement is just hilarious.

Most lawyers I know also take a bit of pride in their punctuation, grammar and spelling.

That's why I asked the question. Maybe knowing the law and being able to construct a sentence is no longer a prerequisite for a career in the legal profession.
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:19 pm

Post a picture to show the vin plate nice and flat to the side of the engine bay and another of how it is secured.
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:48 pm

I agree with Mobster, I certainly wouldn't buy a car from someone who didn't have or couldn't find the V5 document. Heaven if you are trying to sell something get yourself prepared, using the excuse that your other half tidied it away just doesn't wash with me. It sounds to me that you both deserve each other, why didn't you check the VIN number situation out when he said they were different or were you running round the house like a headless chicken looking for the V5 document. You just weren't prepared, still you are £100 better off and have learned a lesson in selling 'fail to prepare, prepare to fail' !!
As for your question does anyone recognise the buyer from your description...are you having a laugh could be anyone out of about 3 million !!
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The guy is well known on here as messing a few people about, he's the one mouthing off in this thread. I'm now leaving it to paypal to decide what's best. As for everyone moaning about the v5, it proves nothing. I could still be anyone, it could be forged, the only reason they exist is to make it easier to notify the dvla of changes. To not buy a car purely cos of no v5 is up to you guys, iv got another on it's way out now. What I think your failing to accept is the fact the guy lied to me about the vin numbers in the hope of getting loads knocked off, he even said he was going to call the police to report it! Later in a phone call he admitted the vins were fine. I'd have even dropped the car to Liverpool for him to save him another trip but his attitude was disgusting! He then said he knew plenty of lads in Birmingham, implying "they would be round"
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:48 pm

Have you sold it now dude? Says sold on Pistonheads...

If you havent, pm me some details etc and some more pictures if you have any?
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:02 pm

FFS dont leave barry and ata in the same court house together! They kill each other with their history!
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:33 pm

Read the Registration Certificate section. If what Atta is saying is true and the VIN plate is bent and until the seller posts some pictures of this i have no reason to disbelieve Ata, then i dont blame Atta for wanting to see the V5 document. It clearly states on the government website that the "buyer will want to see the V5 document to verify the car details"

I really want someone to have a look at this car. I smell a rat !!!

Where about are you? I am looking for a Tech 1, and i am prepared to come and look at this car with a view of buying it, however if the VIN plate is bent, i wont be buying it and i wont be happy that you have wasted my time.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Bu ... DG_4022403
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:37 pm

so who's gonna be first to check the car now you know the reg? lol
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Is it me or does £800 for a tech 1 seem like a too good a bargain 8O
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golman are you the chap with the mk2 cav turbo?? or one of your friends do?

if so i know of this guy and he is a really sound guy and trustworthy.... he wouldn't c**t someone off.
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Green wrote:Is it me or does £800 for a tech 1 seem like a too good a bargain 8O
it has grot it's not mint but has a 12 month ticket so ....

if it is a pear then it's worth more in parts making a no loose situation.

unless you wear a dodgy track suite .
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:28 pm

Right just about to post up pics of the vin, bearing in mind, ata claimed the numbers didnt match. You can clearly see the plate has not been messed about with. I just cant believe I have to prove myself on here to people who will blatantly want the car once they've done their checks.

The_haywood, chris is a very good mate of mine, we are out every weekend. I'm very well known in brum, i'v also got the 300bhp t5 estate with side exit.

As said above, even if the car was a 316 with full kit etc, it'd still be worth the money. To be honest, after all the crap with ata, then all this on this forum, i'm debating about whether to sell the car at all.

Pics should be up in around 10 mins
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:33 pm

cecotto479 wrote:Maybe knowing the law and being able to construct a sentence is no longer a prerequisite for a career in the legal profession.
There is no maybe about it, if you cant pull the punters in and sweet talk hundreds, thousands out of them for a bit of paper work and lip service your not welcome. :)
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golfman wrote:The_haywood, chris is a very good mate of mine, we are out every weekend. I'm very well known in brum, i'v also got the 300bhp t5 estate with side exit.
aaah right.... i have met you before though i'm sure of it down at the DR meets in telford haha.
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Pic of the vin printed under the windscreen. . .

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Pic of the vin plate. . .


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This is the vin number that bmw checked and gave me the build sheet for, showing that it is in fact a genuine tech 1. It was also swapped off the zone around 2 years ago off a member called steve bates.
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:39 pm

The_haywood, yeah we all came up a few times, I know suzy well and stryder a little.
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