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Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:22 pm

Could someone kindly post a pic of a Rear axle beam, without
the bushes installed and preferably bare.
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Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:25 pm

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Not quite what you are looking for,I fear,Rob!
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Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:29 pm

Is that your Mrs's favourite towel in the background Malc? :)
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Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:32 pm

Dan,s is the closest to what i'm after, the hole that the bush goes into to be specific.
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Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:37 pm

DanThe wrote:Is that your Mrs's favourite towel in the background Malc? :)
It certainly was,until I got hold of it....boy,did I suffer..... :mad:
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:31 am

The reason i asked for the pics, is because atm i'm trying to install
new rear beam bushes. Now it was pretty late in the day when i got round to it,
but for some reason they are not having any of it.
The bushes have been in the freezer for two months, are liberally coated
in :gay: liquid and i'm using the proper Sealy Bush tool. All the gear , no idea springs to mind. :o:
Give me 30 mins to fully wake up and i'll take some pics, but it seems as if they
want to go in at an angle rather than vertically straight up, and one side is catching against the outer edge of the bush hole.
Mods, wrong section for this now, so could you move it for me. Ta.
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:38 am

Beam off the car?

Take it to the local garage and slip them a tenner.

Beam on the car?

Never done it this way,but others say offering the bush up then using the wieght of the car to push it home.

Either way,the bush needs to be correctly lined up with the beam.
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:46 am

Beam on car, bush lined up correctly , Malc.
Begining to think iv'e left something in the hole.
Car is on a slope but that shouldn't make any difference should it :?:
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:02 pm

Bush is an interferance fit,so it's hole needs to be spotless.

You hero,taking this on!
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:18 pm

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Bush hole.

Bush installation position/

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Bush tool off car.


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Bush and tool in position on car.
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Not sure how clear this shot is, can you make out the white stress marks caused by bush not entering hole correctly :?:

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Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:33 pm

Looks to me like you still have the outer sleeve of the old bush still in there - what technique did you use for removing the old ones?
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Alyman wrote:Looks to me like you still have the outer sleeve of the old bush still in there - what technique did you use for removing the old ones?
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:50 pm

Alyman wrote:Looks to me like you still have the outer sleeve of the old bush still in there - what technique did you use for removing the old ones?
I had a feeling that was the case. :o:


Removal of the bushes was a complete mare.

The inner ali part had detached from the rubber and was stuck on the chasis. Lump hammer a a long bolt from a Rail crossing
sorted that problem. The whole of the Rubber part was stuck in the Bush hole, Hole cutter on a Drill solved that , eventually.
Then cleaned inside of what i thought was the Bush hole with
an abrasive wheel on the Drill.
Suppose i need to hacksaw the outer sleeve of now :?: :roll:
This is proving to be a right royal pita.
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:57 pm

gooner1 wrote: Suppose i need to hacksaw the outer sleeve of now :?: :roll:
This is proving to be a right royal pita.
'Fraid so mate.

I ended up using a chisel to get the outer sleeves out of mine, but I had the luxury of having the beam on the bench (it was still a pain).

A pic of an outer sleeve once removed:

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Is the tool that you have just for putting bushes in? I'm sure that some of them can pull them out too?
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:06 pm

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Bush hole.
The outer part of the bush is still in there, you can see it lip over
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:07 pm

Thanks for the pic Ally. :thumb:

No, the tool i have is for both removal and instalation, however when i started this i had
lent the tool to a mate. Cant be used to remove the remains as it needs the inner part to
sit on. .Oh well, another afternoon spent on my back then. :)
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:07 pm

First time I did beam bushes I did exactly the same thing,cleaned the inside of the old bush's outer to a lovely shine,to have the wife's workmate laugh like a drain when he tried to push the new bush in at the local bus company's workshop.....
Hacksaw blade threaded through if you have room above,failing that,try collapsing it with a cold chisel and big hitting stick(birmingham spanner)

These bushes really are the PITA of E30 DIY maintanance.
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:34 pm

gooner1 wrote:Thanks for the pic Ally. :thumb:

No, the tool i have is for both removal and instalation, however when i started this i had
lent the tool to a mate. Cant be used to remove the remains as it needs the inner part to
sit on. .Oh well, another afternoon spent on my back then. :)
Argh - the fact you actually owned the tool, but didn't have it available at the time must make this doubly frustrating! Although thinking about it though, surely the part of the tool that pushes the bush out from the top lines up with the outer sleeve? It's hard to say without ever having used the tool myself, but I would have thought there is a possibility you could still use it even though the central part has been removed - even if it does need the central bit to brace against and get started, could you not just slide it onto the threaded rod so that it sits where it's supposed to? Apologies if this is total nonsense :)


I suppose one good thing that will come from this will be a renewed enthusiasm to tackle any other jobs that come up on your E30 - no matter the task you'll always be able to think "at least this won't be as soul destroying as changing those subframe bushes!"
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:14 pm

Fair play for having a go at that rather coont of a job Rob. :cool:
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:39 pm

Rob that jack is wack!

I hate this job. I know its a c0ck about but i have always removed the beam.

It takes longer but i havent got the tool and like to be able to see whats going on
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:23 pm

Cheers Dezzy, Chris.
Hasn't been my favourite job so far but tbh now i half know
what's involved it SHOULD be easier next time round. Also the
proper stoppers/washers will be getting used and i will not be using those
factory hex bolt jobbies on the side holding plates either.
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:11 pm

I did this on the car, just get a blow torch and get some heat on it, it is not a metal to metal fit, it is rubber to metal, as soon as you get the rubber hot it will slide out with a few whacks! Get a cold chisel on the lower lip and it will shift, just get it hot enough that it is smoking, and keep the burner well away from the fuel filter on the left side!
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:19 pm

looking at your pics you have the correct tool, theres another adapter to pull the old one out rob, makes it as easy as winding the new ones in


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Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:28 am

gooner1 wrote:Thanks for the pic Ally. :thumb:

No, the tool i have is for both removal and instalation, however when i started this i had
lent the tool to a mate. Cant be used to remove the remains as it needs the inner part to
sit on. .Oh well, another afternoon spent on my back then. :)

Si, see above. :(

Rain stopped play.

Matty, tried the heat method, no joy. Hacksaw will sort it.
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:35 pm

Well, a day of mixed emotions, and results.


:D as a sandboy that i finally managed to get the remains of the Bushes out.

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Mineswept a blow torch from work to heat the Beam up, then a bolster, lump hammer
and several slaps later, out they popped.

Not so :D with the Sealy tool though, to put it mildly i'm well :piss: off with it.
Tried to install a new bush with it, got it less than a third of the way in, and the bloody thread
on the iong bolt stripped. As if that wasn't enough the large nut at the bottom is well and truly
jammed on. So will have to take it to work to somehow free it.

Normally, i would blame myself for the above, but the long bolt is a brand new replacement part from Sealys, replaced because the thread stripped when my mate used it.
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:22 pm

I pressed my new ones in with a trolley jack using the weight of the car, they went in easier than i thought.
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:31 pm

Nicely done getting the remains of the old ones out - as Lee says, the new ones actually don't need lots of pressure to get them in as long as they're well lubed up (nothing near the pressure required to get them out at any rate)! Well worth giving it a shot installing them with a trolley jack.
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:39 pm

just make sure you put some wood between the beam and the body, or the beam lifts, not leaving enough room to get the bush all the way in, you just end up pushing the bush in till it tops out on the body mount, and the ream beam is still halfway up the bush as it sits right at the bottom normally.
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mattycoops43 wrote:just make sure you put some wood between the beam and the body
Forgot to mention that :)
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mattycoops43 wrote:just make sure you put some wood between the beam and the body, or the beam lifts, not leaving enough room to get the bush all the way in, you just end up pushing the bush in till it tops out on the body mount, and the ream beam is still halfway up the bush as it sits right at the bottom normally.
Noted. :thumb:
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gooner1 wrote:Tried to install a new bush with it, got it less than a third of the way in, and the bloody thread
on the iong bolt stripped. As if that wasn't enough the large nut at the bottom is well and truly
jammed on. So will have to take it to work to somehow free it.

Normally, i would blame myself for the above, but the long bolt is a brand new replacement part from Sealys, replaced because the thread stripped when my mate used it.
Did you apply any oil to the treaded bar before use?
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Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:45 pm

Certainly did Trev, just a thin coat of a light oil used on Railway crossings.
Took it to work today, the bar, freed up the nut and wire brushed the entire length of the
threaded sections. Result both bushes are now in. Hallebloodylujah.

Well when i say they are both in, the second one has about an inch left to fully go home.
Why?, the feckin nut jammed again. 5 minutes work tomorrow will see it completed, then hopefully i can get on with some other stuff.
Will post the finished pics tomorrow. Anyone else doing this, take the wheels of to give yourself
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bss325i wrote:Trev?
Sorry Barry :o: you too Trev :) , it's been a particularly hard day.
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