bbs value ? and refurb exhange idea

[polsta]

thoughts on this please gentlemen..

i have these i got refurbed 15" bbs gold powder coat with polished rims




ive got another set of bbs today that im going to get done exact same , 1stly...how much would a set be worth to sell for ££ ? a good fair not over the top, but not under valued, price ? how much would you pay for a set ? i have no idea so need some figures/valuations to get an idea

also... im thinking of once done, a buyer can come pick them up and px them for a set of straight wheels with caps in need of a refur ,which il get done, and keep rolling like that, would anyone be interested in a set either for cash or px ? and..ho0w much would a fair price be for cahs+wheels ? just want to get an idea if its worthwhile me doing

thought it a good idea myself ? would mean a buyer can just make 1 trip and drive away with a set already done the same day, and can also offer a courriewr service

what do you think ? appriciate some thoughts

[Ajsingh]

Hmm watching this thread

[spic]

They look realy nice and if you offer them up in different colours I cant see why people wouldnt be intrested... I guess as far as prices go it all depends on your costs and what you want to make out of it but you will have to squeeze your painter for the best price to be able to make some dosh and accepting wheels on an exchange deal can leave you with a shed full of bent rims...

[Morat]

I think the tricky bit will be getting scruffy but straight wheels to work on. If someone shows up with a subtly buckled wheel and you pass it on to someone who came in with 4 straight ones there will be tears. You'll need to rig up some sort of frame to check them on quickly when they arrive.

[spook]

How much does it cost for the four wheels?

[Dezzy]

There cant be many straight BBS left. This could end in tears and not even be your fault

[Rav335uk]

There cant be many straight BBS left. This could end in tears and not even be your fault

+1, that is the danger here, although a good idea.
Easy way to set up something at home would be a powerfull motor on a bench, bolted and a shaft with the E30 hub on the end so you can check the wheels.

[jigsaw]

Do like the look of the rims, but agree with what most are saying, difficult to get many straight BBS these days! I wouldnt wan to be responsible for one blowing on someone elses pride and joy!

[Dezzy]

There cant be many straight BBS left. This could end in tears and not even be your fault

+1, that is the danger here, although a good idea.
Easy way to set up something at home would be a powerfull motor on a bench, bolted and a shaft with the E30 hub on the end so you can check the wheels.

A good idea this ^

Make sure you have a flat surface to set up off with a pointer that you can push against the inner rim of the wheel.

This will show any run out


edit;

Up and down is better than side to side

[mattycoops43]

I really like your rims, but I don't see how you can make money out of it unless you're doing the work yourself, even at cheap rates, if you want to add a bit of profit on top, they will come out at the same cost as people can get them done locally, then you have to factor in either fuel, or cost of a courier.

There are powder coaters everywhere, and while I appreciate your enthusiasm, I don't see how you're going to make money, and trust me, this is not the kind of thing you want to do for fun, you are guaranteed to get hassle when it goes wrong. You will probably end up making the same ammount per hour as if you worked in maccers!

Now, if you were to invest in the kit to do it yourself, then you would have a business!

Matt

[polsta]

hmmm more to think about- thanks for highlighting the bent rim aspect, ok so there maybe a lot of dud ones about, but also there are plenty of nice sets that need a refurb, how many posts on here do you see people asking about a refurb or cars for sale with them/sets for sale etc

i wouldnt be having any old dogs sent withh eavy kerbing and dings/ real absoloute rotter sets people have mustered up, but nice enough wheels that just need a paint refurb and freshen up - ie genune people who just want their wheels on their car refurbed, and it saves the hasstle for them to be able to get a trade in refurb

is there way they could be checked without a motor/hub etc set up ? or - if taken to a tyre place ,can it be checked on the balance machine thing if straight and good ? - a mates place is a 5 min drive and he does my tyre changes/balancing etc for me for cheap , if i took wheels without tyres there would take him 5 mins to check 4 wheels, is that a soloution ?

with regards to costs- i can get then done for a good price , hes got black,white,yellow,gold,and a few other colors and can do the polished rims, for cheaper than the average powder coating or wheel refurb place that would cost anyone else, even the bloke who did the blasting for me was talking £80 a wheeel just for blast/powder coat, without polished rims

so how much would the sell for ? which is the key here ...ie if i put my set ive got for sale on here now, how much should i be asking ? 4 wheels like that with centre cap metal in matching gold powder, with the plastic nut bits

[RM2186]

There is a chap in Blackpool that does this very thing, you drive in on your wheels, he changes the tyres onto a refurb set and off you go. He charges around £250 per set of four .

He lists on Ebay all different types of wheels but they all seem to be around the £250 mark. I used him once on a set of 18" Mondeo wheels and they were just great. Only thing is...... he will take damaged wheels that are repairable as he does it all in house.

Hope this helps with your thinking, if not an idea of whats out there price wise.

[cecotto479]

I don't think you've thought this through.

This only works for the buyer if it's a same day thing. The first time someone asks you for a colour or combo you don't have, the balloon is burst.

So, how many sets of wheels will you need? Four? Five? Six or more? Say they cost you £100 a set inc caps. Anything cheaper WILL need more work than blast and coat. If they're costing you £40 a wheel to get done - any cheaper is probably too cheap or needs quantity to be feasible - that's a cost of £260 per set. 4 sets is £1040. So you have a stock value of £1040.

So, say you are getting them at that price and you've got them sitting all shiny owing you £260 a set. What are you selling them for? £310 - £50 a set gross profit plus the exchange? That takes no account of your time, expenses, work required on the exchange set or or capital tied up. It really should be more, but for the purposes of argument, we'll make all the costs the cheapest possible. Now you have a stock value of £880 (-£160) and positive cash of £310. You're nominally £150 up

So for £310, somebody can come to you, drop off an old set and pick up a new set - take them away, pay someone to fit tyres and balance them and then put them on their car, presumably sitting on bricks at home. So it's cost them £310, a drink for the tyre fitter and an hour say, to swap them over. PROVIDED it's not their only car and they've had to buy a £100 set to p/ex.

Total cost to punter £320 plus time and courier if necessary

OR they could buy a set needing a refurb for £100, pay £70 a corner to get them done, drive in, have a cup of coffee while the powder coater's apprentice swaps tyres and wheels and balances and drive away, no need for bricks, tyre fitter's drinks, waiting, collection from you. Total cost to punter £380 plus his time. And he's got a set of £100 wheels to sell.

Most alloy refurb places do this. How are you going to compete with their drive in - drive away service? The place I use keeps wheel and tyre combos in standard sizes to lend punters while theirs are being done. The last time I was there, a bint in an X5 came in, had a coffee, they swapped her wheels for their stock loaners and she drove away to come back the next day to shiny new wheels fitted by a very nice man - for £300 all in.

The basic problem here is that there are so many places offering a better service - even your powder coater isn't going to turn away someone bringing him a set of BBSs to refurb because he works exclusively for you - that to compete, you'll need to be too cheap to make it worthwhile. And that's before any hassle with bent wheels or "customers" bringing you stolen wheels.

But you have to start somewhere. Go for it and see if it works. Keep a close eye on costs and margins re-invest all your profit to begin with (buy a blast cabinet and compressor first, then, tyre changing machine, balancer and eventually a booth) and see how you do.

[mattycoops43]

+1

I think the money in this game is only there if you are doing the work yourself, I don't see the profit for you. You're a middle man, adding profit onto something someone else is doing, and he has already put his profit onto the job.

I don't want to pay you a profit, for the sake of me finding a powder coater to do my wheels for the same price as yours is doing them.

I wish you best of luck, but I think you are relying on peoples laziness, and not many people can afford to be lazy these days!

[polsta]

cecotto- appriciate that and totaly see what your saying here and fully agree with it, its not a "business" im thinking, churning out sets galore, just 1 set- get them done, get another set done ,sell them, when i put pics of mine up had some pms asking how much to get a set done, all im thinking- get this set done the same as mine, and sell them, for a price someones happy with and has a nice set of wheels, and ideally me getting a nice straight set but in need of paint in return

whats an average/going rate type asking price for that set of 4 like that ?

matty- you dont seem to be grapsping the fact 2 MATES do it and i can get them done for a good price, which will be less than if every zoner just rang up their local powder coaters/refurbers asked how much to do a set of bbs gold with polished rims ,speakign to a bloke who has a business they dont know from adam, which is a main factor here, do you not understand this, the average wheel refurber charging their average customer will be a lot more than my costs im looking at

[cecotto479]

You can't start any sort of business - you can call it what you want, but buying stuff to sell on is a business - basing your costings on mates' rates.

Mates will do mates' rates for one or two sets then realise that you're making money out of it and the price will go up or they'll no longer be mates. Basically you're taking the mick with your mates.

Why would your mates do them dirt cheap to you for you to sell to one of their potential full price customers?

It's not sustainable.

I'm out.

[Dezzy]

You can't start any sort of business - you can call it what you want, but buying stuff to sell on is a business - basing your costings on mates' rates.

Mates will do mates' rates for one or two sets then realise that you're making money out of it and the price will go up or they'll no longer be mates. Basically you're taking the mick with your mates.

Why would your mates do them dirt cheap to you for you to sell to one of their potential full price customers?

It's not sustainable.

I'm out.

This,
I get my powdercoating foc as we have a good relationship with a local business. We send alot of work their way. I wouldnt start getting stuff done from them then punting it on. Thats just taking the p1ss

[polsta]

im out too, want a bit of sensible advice and get none

ive had a chat with the boys and discussed the costs and my idea and its all fine, no ones taking the piss and both parties are happy, no problem

[cecotto479]

im out too, want a bit of sensible advice and get none

Just because you don't like the advice given, doesn't mean it's not sensible.

If you're as ungrateful and arrogant with your mates, don't forget to post up pics of your black eye in due course.

[Dezzy]

im out too, want a bit of sensible advice and get none

Just because you don't like the advice given, doesn't mean it's not sensible.

If you're as ungrateful and arrogant with your mates, don't forget to post up pics of your black eye in due course.

Ha Ha.

Only answer this post if you think polsta will make loadsa money. If not keep your opinions to yourself

[polsta]

seriously...why am i arrogant or ignorant ? ive said thanks above and appriciate the advice ?

but...ive talked it over with the boys, and hes like yeah no worries im happy with that and do as many as you want, i dont want to make a fortune and think prices would be a price buyer would be happy with too and save them ££ , yet oh no im taking the piss

all ive aksed for is a rough value of a set and a bit of an idea ..yet dont get 1 response to that, just get oh you need 20 sets of wheels and a blasting thing and do it all yourself and people wanting to just have a pop , seriously...why not just try to be of some use instead of trying to shoot people down in flames ?

[cecotto479]

Because you asked for advice. Myself and others took the time to consider your idea and, to provide what I thought was sensible constructive advice based on personal experience.

You don't like it and respond with, "want a bit of sensible advice and get none " and roll eyes smilies; then follow it up with, "why not just try to be of some use instead of trying to shoot people down in flames".

Don't be so f*cking lazy. Use your brains, eBay, the search on here along with trial, error and market experience to find out what they'll sell for.

You want mates rates for your work, you want us to do your market research and you want all of us to think it's a great, original idea that nobody else has thought of.

Get real.

[MurphyE30]

why not just try to be of some use instead of trying to shoot people down in flames ?

you mean like you do in EVERYONE's e30 for sale thread?

[polsta]

why not just try to be of some use instead of trying to shoot people down in flames ?

you mean like you do in EVERYONE's e30 for sale thread?

yes of course i do... go to cars for sale section look through EVERYONE`s e30s for sale there on 1st page, maybe 40 threads/cars ? and point out to us all how many ive done that in

[MurphyE30]

I dont look in there to often as im not buying, yet each one you comment in is telling somone there car is not good enough or not worth what they want

yet when others are advising you (which u asked for advise) you reply with

why not just try to be of some use instead of trying to shoot people down in flames ?

[Dezzy]

why not just try to be of some use instead of trying to shoot people down in flames ?

you mean like you do in EVERYONE's e30 for sale thread?

yes of course i do... go to cars for sale section look through EVERYONE`s e30s for sale there on 1st page, maybe 40 threads/cars ? and point out to us all how many ive done that in

First thread I looked at

And if you wanted it standard it used to look like this;

But I don't have a price for that yet

looked so much better then bar the missing is lip, and a "nicer" example car by far ,seems like very strong money your asking bruv, put it back to standard and sell the kit and wheels seperate, i bet it would sell easier, i cant belive you did that to a lovely clean looking is

Fookin good job every1`s different then polsta.
Each to their own personally i like as does ivor!

i cant belive you did that to a lovely clean looking is

It's different and its going to get its haters at the end of the day but to them.

Look, I know people aren't going to like it as it is which is why I was never going to put it up for sale here because of this forums 'reputation'.

I am offering it standard to anyone that would like it that way, if you want to but it standard then your welcome, if you don't want to buy it and just tell everyone how much you don't like it then please start a thread elsewhere.

To anyone that is interested I am open to offers

no beef mate, but 3200 for it, is quite wild money , look at the general chat a nice geneuine silver tech 2 sport sold for 2700, yours is a non gen and 500 more, all i said was to fetch the sort of money you value it at, youd do better off putting it back standard, the car will look like a nice condition un abused is, and sell quicker, and youl be able to sell the tech 2 kit, and wheels seperate easily enough

I wouldn't say wild money. Anyone on here knows that a rust free e30 is hard to come by with service history, all original bits available, with all the maintenance and oem upgrades. Just because it has an m-tech 2 kit (shoot me!) and Borbets it's not worth the money?

Anyhoooo, if your not interested then please don't post here as I understand your 'zone advice'

I haven't had these replys on ANY other forum. Shows why I had to think twice about putting it up here. (but thanks to the other people who don't mind something a little different )

GENUINE INTEREST POSTS ONLY NOW!

Thanks

Will

I think that's what murphy means. Especially as you tried to remove all your shitty comments. Not sure why when they have been quoted. You look like a bit of a nob now don't you ha ha ha

[polsta]

well then, why come out with daft statments and not be able to back it up when asked ? like i said...40 threads there have a look

from memory...ive commented on 2 cars, the red tech 2`d up is, wanting sport money over 3k or whatever it was...i said looks lovely condition but youl struggle to sell it like that for that, make it standard and it will sell and sell the other bits off to make the ££ ... 2 months and a few price drops later...its STILL for sale ,

and the white 6k one...a 6k is !!...with an add stating 60k gen miles, but doesnt show anything about the history, i again said looks lovely, i enquired about the history and to get anything near 6k for it...you really are going to have to state exactly what history is with it and if it fully backs up the milage, which anyone selling an e30 for over double a good ones value- would have to do

2 cars, not EVERYONE`s at all, which in my book is deemed ad trying to be of some use, is it not ?

[Jim320i]

Threads going a bit off course lads. (Editted.. Thanks Sir...)


Keep it on topic and it doesnt get locked up.


Personally, if you have spoke to your mate and he is happy to do set after set for you at a set price then why not go ahead and see what you can sell them for? How much is he charging you to do a set? Obviously if you post that it might effect the business you have, although I dont think this thread will be open for much longer at the going rate...

With the price you are getting them done at, you can work out what sort of price you can charge per set... Its all good saying you could sell them for £400 for example (Thats an example... Not a price I think they are worth, just to point out to anyone hunting to shoot me down. ;)) But if your getting them done for £80 a set and making £320 off each one, its just greedy... I would try to price it down as low as possible to get as many people bringing their wheels to you etc...


If you can make £40-50 off a set then thats not bad for being a middle man. And you wouldnt be limit to the knuckle draggers on this forum either, trawl Ebay for cheap wheels that usually sell for good money on other makes of cars then you could get yourself set up on all the VW/Jap forums too and just start advertising.


Before you know it, your making an extra £200-£300 a month. More with any luck.


All the best though pal and if you have the means to do it, then try. You can only go wrong once, but for everyone you do right, someone mentions it to someone else in the same scene and you'll get the work.

Hope thats constructive for you.

[German-Whips]

why not just try to be of some use instead of trying to shoot people down in flames ?

you mean like you do in EVERYONE's e30 for sale thread?

Also polsta, how you've shot me down with even bigger flames and cut te wound open and rubbed salt into it on one of my posts.......

......not to forget, you also posted comments with no relevance to the original thread......

People are trying to help and Cecotto provided very very good advice!

He's 100% correct because I know from experience; I took the plunge and bought stock worth £3,900 for monkey-bike parts and find it very hard to compete with other traders even thought I charge less becuase customers want thier items quick, effiecnt and with 100% gaurantee which I, as a part time trader, cannot do all the time as I have university and a part time job. So all in all, I've wasted £3,900.......I've made a bit of profit, but the time and effort gone into it all, the input outweighs the output of the business. Oh and, 95% of my stock is sitting in my garage still.....

[Rav335uk]

Keep it civil lads.

Jim it's " OFF COURSE"

[Jim320i]

Keep it civil lads.

Jim it's " OFF COURSE"

Ta dude. ;) Thats my 'Leicester' coming out... Use to get told off at school many years ago too for writing 'would of', instead of 'would have'...


Anyway... Topic... Civil.. Etc.

[polsta]

thanks jim, alas someone who doesnt want to just shoot it down, like my 1st post...i just sought a few ideas on price theyd sell for- hoping for some expirienced imput, wasnt too much to ask-as i dont really know the value,dont want the earth, just a fair price that buyer would be happy with, i had a cple of pms from people when i posted mine, saying how much to do a set,theyd drive down with their wheels then pick them up, whch is what gave me the idea, now ive got this spare set

so idea to get them done, sell them like that- which would be better than having them doing nothing or trying to just sell them like they are in need of a refurb

then, if a buyer wanted his done...id take them if they were nice in px, save him making 2 journeys and waiting for them to be done ,then id get that set done...and do the same again

as a mate is willing to do them for a good price, which would be better than the average person just ringing up an average place and enquiering and getting charged top money, which most places would do for mr joe bloggs they dont know

i was quoted £80 per wheel for just blast and powder coat , without polished rims, from the fella who did the blasting, i presume other places would be more, and more with polished rims

its not that hard a concept to grasp really is it, and was no need for people to jump in the way they did, when all im trying to do, is help a mate out , help people out to get nice wheels for a nice price, and just asked a bit of value/fair price advice , that was all

[Dezzy]

Ha ha there is a few zoners trying to get their mod status on this thread I reckon.

[polsta]

I think that's what murphy means. Especially as you tried to remove all your shitty comments. Not sure why when they have been quoted. You look like a bit of a nob now don't you ha ha ha

so go on...he said EVERYONE`s, 1 swallow doesnt make a summer , and thats not EVERYONE`s, is it - so how many more are there ???? , and if you look at my post , which i posted at exactly the same time as yours...i pointed that out,i removed the posts for the sake of not bickering over the internet, but the fact remains the cars un sold in 2 months,and im sure more zoners would agree on mass it was over priced and when you do things like spend a fortune to tech 2 kit up an is, you dont get your money back and its not worth what you think, is it ?

[MurphyE30]

get over it. you get the jist of what i was getting at. you pick at peoples threads in the for sales, i should of said everyones you post on!

you also post rude comments to peoples threads not in for sale for no reason

you shot down somone asking what was available at the mment in the wanted section regarding wanting an e30. for no apparent reason other that i guess you thought it was funny??

my point being you are asking for advice/input. you were given advise/input from a member who is also a reputable seller. and because you didnt like it, you bitched about it in a way i find to be Pot Kettle black situation as i have seen you shoot down people for no reason on here.

anywyas to stay on topic good luck with your business venture