My Flatmates E30

[Zayyan]

put the fastest stock focus against the fastest stock e30

heheh i *really* don't want to say this but does that include the focus rs? they are quite fast...

Yeah the RS is noticably faster than the fastest E30.

Fastest stock Ka against fastest E30 is a different story though

[johnono]

but .. e30s are faster

[johnono]

ahem...



Das Hartge H35-24

stock.

[Conan]

Told.

[Jimbob]

Uni flatmate? LOL you've been served!

[Simon13]

yes your flat mate is a strange one and seems to be a bit of a tool, it's the ford focus that has been car of the year loads of times

mind u alot of people i knew thought i was a weapon when i used to drive my 318i tappets, rust, crashed and i was in love with that car!

but why worry? why reply to him?!

[dazleeds]

where is he tonight zayy??

dosent he wanna play anymore

[ShepsEvo3]

RS Focus, quicker than the fastest E30?? Maybe.....at depreciation!

The owners of these RS's, and don't get me wrong, I do actually love the RS Focus, but most if the owners - they think they have the next Escort "Cosworth" where infact all they have is the newest "RS TURBO!" Yes, basically a Series 3 Escort RS Turbo! This is why they are lossing money hand over fist as there has been talk (rumour) of a new Cosworth RS Focus.

As for your flatmate, I would watch my behind if I were you mate!

[alan325i]

who in the right minds would buy a Ford Ka

Built shit, look even shitter and performance, well we wont go there

As for him saying depreciation, lets see if a Ford Ka in 19-20 yrs time can still fetch Ԛ£2500 for a good E30 Sport or Ԛ£9-12000 for a minter E30 M3

Ooops almost forgot for a min, ford ka should only be worth Ԛ£2500 off the forecourt, what a bag if shite they r

[pacerpete]

As a sad little shopping trolley the ford Ka is not a bad turd, if your gay or a bird . The biggest + is the fact that it isn't french . I work on many turds , and several of my customers have got KAs as third cars etc and i must say they are pleasant to drive,economical, reliable and cheap/simple to fix. I will NOT work on french scrap because they are none of the above and i like all twelve of my fingers !
So Zayvan your flatmate obviously is sad and has issues with his sexuality but at least you ain't got a saxo outside !

[psychochild187]

i hope that every one will get a ford ka there really nice cars . ive seen lots of pics of them looking really shiney and stuff just think if every one owned kas it would be like trueman show life all perfect and bubbley and so much easyer for me to beat all the other cars to the next lights and over take and get past as there so dinky and small , and wen i crash into one my car wont get hurt at all as the ka will ...turn to mush there cheap to buy exspensive to repair and this keeps garages running so just incase i need one at one point i wont need to do the work myself.

bet this guys wet dream for a fast car is a scooby and has an astra or focus lol or is a jap car driver trying to take the piss out of bmw drivers

e30 arnt the best but for 19 years old it still does the trick and is cheap to start with. bit like mk2 golf.

[psychochild187]

[quote="pacerpete"]and i like all twelve of my fingers ! quote]

12 fingers really! any pics !?

[SRJ]

[Andyboy999]

I bought a new Ford Ka in May 1999 because

a) My 19 year old g'friend wanted to learn to drive

b) I fancied 45 mpg.

It was Ԛ£4995 with a year's insurance, no power steering, no fuck all.
Well the Ka did 49'000 miles in 2 years, sold it to a Ford dealer for Ԛ£2700. No repairs, and all the servicing was oil/filter every 6000 miles, whacked a new set of plugs in every 10'000 plus just onhe set of brake pads. My 320dSE Touring, 2000W plate needed an aircon rad, rear wheelbearings, front wishbones, headlamp glasses, air mass meter, radio aerial..........all in 30'000 miles.

So much for the Ford=crap and BMW=Good argument eh??

That's it. The Ka never, ever went wrong or broke down. It would wind up to an indicated 110 on the downhill bit of the M1 and would cruise with 90 plus on the clock, slowing to 80 on hills. It did 45 mpg no matter how you drove it.

As a car to own and use as transport they're fine.


Now for BMW E30's. In many ways they're a bit rubbish really, mainly because they're mostly old mega mileage shitters. They rust badly to the extent where you're hard pushed to find an F plater with no rust. I've seen G plate cars which are so rotten as to be a write off. Go and find a rotten F plate Peugeot 405 worth about ten quid - you won't. The heads crack, seats are shagged and the wet road handling is not clever. M40's are all a bag of nails. A quality, well made and durable car they are not - well not by the standards of bigger BMW's they aren't. Compared to a Sierra they're okay.

Go to any big scrapyard now and they're full of E30's - and later F and G plate ones. Another 2-3 years and there will be very few left.

So - a shagged out old 316i on an F plate or a Ford Ka? I'll take the Ford and know that I'll get where I'm going without the AA.

[TW166Y]

As a sad little shopping trolley the ford Ka is not a bad turd, if your gay or a bird . The biggest + is the fact that it isn't french . I work on many turds , and several of my customers have got KAs as third cars etc and i must say they are pleasant to drive,economical, reliable and cheap/simple to fix. I will NOT work on french scrap because they are none of the above and i like all twelve of my fingers !
So Zayvan your flatmate obviously is sad and has issues with his sexuality but at least you ain't got a saxo outside !

This man sums it up..........ka's are really crap, they aint bad if your a bird or a gay hairdresser etc........ to sum up they are economical, cheap and simple to fix, but by no means does this make them a great car...........They look like a bag of shit ........ a pencil sharpener on steriods springs to mind, they are crap! e30's are by no means the best or fastest car on the road or the greatest but they are solid (well sum of um) you get hit in a ford ka and you die its that simple... e30's are good strong cars and are built like tanks and are very nice to look at....pleasing to the eye. I personally think you should stop wanking over eastenders or corrie with your bleach blonde hair waiving as you tug away......eerrrrr perish the thought, oh yeh and take those pink marrigolds off, get yourself out there and go and have some, buy a real car and stop talking bollox

[astondg]

I bought a new Ford Ka in May 1999 because

a) My 19 year old g'friend wanted to learn to drive

b) I fancied 45 mpg.

It was Ԛ£4995 with a year's insurance, no power steering, no fuck all.
Well the Ka did 49'000 miles in 2 years, sold it to a Ford dealer for Ԛ£2700. No repairs, and all the servicing was oil/filter every 6000 miles, whacked a new set of plugs in every 10'000 plus just onhe set of brake pads. My 320dSE Touring, 2000W plate needed an aircon rad, rear wheelbearings, front wishbones, headlamp glasses, air mass meter, radio aerial..........all in 30'000 miles.

So much for the Ford=crap and BMW=Good argument eh??

That's it. The Ka never, ever went wrong or broke down. It would wind up to an indicated 110 on the downhill bit of the M1 and would cruise with 90 plus on the clock, slowing to 80 on hills. It did 45 mpg no matter how you drove it.

As a car to own and use as transport they're fine.


Now for BMW E30's. In many ways they're a bit rubbish really, mainly because they're mostly old mega mileage shitters. They rust badly to the extent where you're hard pushed to find an F plater with no rust. I've seen G plate cars which are so rotten as to be a write off. Go and find a rotten F plate Peugeot 405 worth about ten quid - you won't. The heads crack, seats are shagged and the wet road handling is not clever. M40's are all a bag of nails. A quality, well made and durable car they are not - well not by the standards of bigger BMW's they aren't. Compared to a Sierra they're okay.

Go to any big scrapyard now and they're full of E30's - and later F and G plate ones. Another 2-3 years and there will be very few left.

So - a shagged out old 316i on an F plate or a Ford Ka? I'll take the Ford and know that I'll get where I'm going without the AA.

That could be because the E30 is at least 15 years old and the Ford Ka was new. I wouldn't expect any problems with a new car in the first 5 years at least but with a 15+ year old car I would expect to have a few problems.

Also I don't know what it is like over there but here I got my 323i for less than a secondhand Ford Ka and I could probably get a 325i for about the same as the Ka. Appart from the few things I have had to do to my car to get it roadworthy I haven't had to do anything for the 12,000 miles I have had it and a fair bit of that is motorsport. I have spent money upgrading stuff but I haven't had to fix anything (apart from when a wheel fell off while racing but that wasn't the cars fault) and it has never let me down. I have probably spent more on servicing and brake pads and stuff (I am on my second set) but I use my 323i for motorsport, I'm guessing most Ford Ka's aren't used like that.

Aston

[redrobbie]

I bought a new Ford Ka in May 1999 because

a) My 19 year old g'friend wanted to learn to drive

b) I fancied 45 mpg.

It was Ԛ£4995 with a year's insurance, no power steering, no fuck all.
Well the Ka did 49'000 miles in 2 years, sold it to a Ford dealer for Ԛ£2700. No repairs, and all the servicing was oil/filter every 6000 miles, whacked a new set of plugs in every 10'000 plus just onhe set of brake pads. My 320dSE Touring, 2000W plate needed an aircon rad, rear wheelbearings, front wishbones, headlamp glasses, air mass meter, radio aerial..........all in 30'000 miles.

So much for the Ford=crap and BMW=Good argument eh??

That's it. The Ka never, ever went wrong or broke down. It would wind up to an indicated 110 on the downhill bit of the M1 and would cruise with 90 plus on the clock, slowing to 80 on hills. It did 45 mpg no matter how you drove it.

As a car to own and use as transport they're fine.


Now for BMW E30's. In many ways they're a bit rubbish really, mainly because they're mostly old mega mileage shitters. They rust badly to the extent where you're hard pushed to find an F plater with no rust. I've seen G plate cars which are so rotten as to be a write off. Go and find a rotten F plate Peugeot 405 worth about ten quid - you won't. Blah blah blah blah blah.................................... .

How the fcuk can you compare a new car to a 15 year old. There are no fcuking sierras about but there are e30s, you wont even find them in the scrappys thats how shit they "were". You don't like BMW but you buy it and come onto a bmw forum . How could anything go wrong with the KAck if all it had was a moped engine and seats.

[OllieB]

My 320dSE Touring, 2000W plate needed an aircon rad, rear wheelbearings, front wishbones, headlamp glasses, air mass meter, radio aerial..........all in 30'000 miles.

So much for the Ford=crap and BMW=Good argument eh??

I think you will find if you take the time to read it properly then he is not comparing the Ka to a fifteen yr old E30, but a W-reg 320d touring, as above. I agree with the guy, we had a contract hire Ka for 18 months and it was fine. I caned the pants off it every where I went and it never had so much as a drop of oil or a bulb. My mates o2 reg E46 330ci has spent more time being fixed than driven, much the same as my e30 sport.

[Andy_magic]

fact is, practically all focuses(or most fords for that matter) will be worth NOTHING in about 10 years if they havnt made it into being washing machines by then

Isn't that the wrong way round, Focus's start life as washing machines then get recycled into cars.

[pomebastard]

... the solutions very simple...

...bin the old e30... maybe use for parts...

...buy a properly sorted e30 2dr, touring or cab...

... it's not the car that's the issue but it's condition...

[dazleeds]

As a sad little shopping trolley the ford Ka is not a bad turd, if your gay or a bird . The biggest + is the fact that it isn't french . I work on many turds , and several of my customers have got KAs as third cars etc and i must say they are pleasant to drive,economical, reliable and cheap/simple to fix. I will NOT work on french scrap because they are none of the above and i like all twelve of my fingers !
So Zayvan your flatmate obviously is sad and has issues with his sexuality but at least you ain't got a saxo outside !

This man sums it up..........ka's are really crap, they aint bad if your a bird or a gay hairdresser etc........ to sum up they are economical, cheap and simple to fix, but by no means does this make them a great car...........They look like a bag of shit ........ a pencil sharpener on steriods springs to mind, they are crap! e30's are by no means the best or fastest car on the road or the greatest but they are solid (well sum of um) you get hit in a ford ka and you die its that simple... e30's are good strong cars and are built like tanks and are very nice to look at....pleasing to the eye. I personally think you should stop wanking over eastenders or corrie with your bleach blonde hair waiving as you tug away......eerrrrr perish the thought, oh yeh and take those pink marrigolds off, get yourself out there and go and have some, buy a real car and stop talking bollox

nuff said

[Daryll]

The new Ka is out in November! Have you placed your order yet?

[TW166Y]

The new Ka is out in November! Have you placed your order yet?

[JoeP]

Lol, so true. I was indeed on the verge of going to do something more intelectually constuctive than this. But i shall be back. after all, i am constantly being reminded of the E30 everytime i walk past the ageing wreck outside my flat.
I'll continue this gripping two sided debate later.....

I've been waiting to do this for months

As a few people have already said I don't think any of us think that E30s are the best car in the world but in terms of affordable performance motoring they can't be beaten, especially not by a ford ka. I think you'll find your ka will be depreciating alot more than an already depreciated as much as it's going to E30.
P.S. In reference to the E46, it's because BMW and Mercedes don't make cars anywhere near as well as they did 15-20 years ago.
As for rusty F-regs, if you can find any on mine you can have it!

[redrobbie]

My 320dSE Touring, 2000W plate needed an aircon rad, rear wheelbearings, front wishbones, headlamp glasses, air mass meter, radio aerial..........all in 30'000 miles.

So much for the Ford=crap and BMW=Good argument eh??

I think you will find if you take the time to read it properly then he is not comparing the Ka to a fifteen yr old E30, but a W-reg 320d touring, as above. I agree with the guy, we had a contract hire Ka for 18 months and it was fine. I caned the pants off it every where I went and it never had so much as a drop of oil or a bulb. My mates o2 reg E46 330ci has spent more time being fixed than driven, much the same as my e30 sport.

He wrote aload of bo****ks. I have driven a ford kack and I wouldn't swap it for my runabout second-hand (106 diesel) 52mpg, only an idiot would spend that much on rubbish. You drive e30's for the passion, not for fuel economy or cheap parts. My family brought me up on bimmers and they've had no complaints. Ferraris have a s**t reliability record, so what, id still want one.

[johnono]

fact is, practically all focuses(or most fords for that matter) will be worth NOTHING in about 10 years if they havnt made it into being washing machines by then

Isn't that the wrong way round, Focus's start life as washing machines then get recycled into cars.

true ;) , its as plastic inside as it is outside

[Andyboy999]

Redrobbie, dear, dear Boy.

As the man says, learn to read.

Then learn to express yourself without swearing and please use correct punctuation. Then buy a nice E46 - if you can afford one that is. I'll leave old Sierras to you!!

[astondg]

My 320dSE Touring, 2000W plate needed an aircon rad, rear wheelbearings, front wishbones, headlamp glasses, air mass meter, radio aerial..........all in 30'000 miles.

So much for the Ford=crap and BMW=Good argument eh??

I think you will find if you take the time to read it properly then he is not comparing the Ka to a fifteen yr old E30, but a W-reg 320d touring, as above. I agree with the guy, we had a contract hire Ka for 18 months and it was fine. I caned the pants off it every where I went and it never had so much as a drop of oil or a bulb. My mates o2 reg E46 330ci has spent more time being fixed than driven, much the same as my e30 sport.

My mistake. I am in Australia, I had no idea what a 2000W plate was. If you have that many problems with a 2000 car maybe you bought a bad one? Like I said I don't have anywhere near as many problems with my 20 year old E30.

I didn't realise we were in a Ford Vs BMW argument, I actually didn't realise it was a competition at all but if it was I would have thought it was Ka Vs E30?

Aston

[johnono]

top trumps time!!

best ford Vs. best bmw

Maclarens included

[Moofles]

ford gt then...it'll get a lot further than an engine sitting in its own oil in the middle of the road cos its the only bmw bit of the car lol

[redrobbie]

Redrobbie, dear, dear Boy.

As the man says, learn to read.

Then learn to express yourself without swearing and please use correct punctuation. Then buy a nice E46 - if you can afford one that is. I'll leave old Sierras to you!!

Your right I can't afford a e46, but since I don't like them anyway i figure it works out .

[Andyboy999]

i wouldnt have even bothered to reply to the twat!!! A ford Ka? honestly!!!! lets all meet up and we can set up a little course for us to race him on one by one, givin him a 5 min head start just to make things fair

even my 23 year old 323i is still a more pleasing car to drive than a ford Ka

Not as much fun as my Black 1990 Sport Evolution was. Or my Orient blue 840Ci Sport. Or my Inca Orange CSL. Or my Alpina C1 2.3. When you've got something better than an old 323i with a bodykit Son, come back to me and we'll talk real cars!!

As it is, the battered old 750iL I bought for Ԛ£500 would swallow your car and shit it out in bits.


Twat.

[Andyboy999]

Your right I can't afford a e46, but since I don't like them anyway i figure it works out .[/quote]

I think you meant to say:

You're right; I can't afford an E46 but since I don't like them anyway, I figure it works out.


Jesus, whatever happened to education??

[E30Adam]

Jesus, whatever happened to education??

There's no such thing any more. Have you heard ont he news they're thinking of doing after school classes because the standard of education has dropped so far. You just have to watch how a youngster types, ie. text talk... barely legible dialect!