Why are e36's so worthless

[jbh]

well I must admit ive only ever owned one E36 and it was a 318ise so to be honest im not in a great place to comment as I hated the E36 but my misses wants an E36 diesel touring which to be honest if the right one comes along for the right money shell have it.

[oldroydsr4]

If you want engine tone, check out the link below. Another example of a stunning e36, if you don't like this you must question your sanity.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7078

[ETERNITY]

fair point? sounds fantastic

but how many e36's do you hear about or see.? not many!

i think the e36's will increase value when they become rarer

[Ian_M]

I see the E30 exclusive bummers are using the straw man argument by posting pictures of E36s that deserve a place on Barry Boys.

I can't understand the concept of 'It's not an E30 so it's <Insert unfounded comment here>', you sound a lot like a religous cult.

As for someone driving an E30 'cos they want to rather than it being all they can afford...... How many people come on here and go 'I've bought a £400 shitter, it's going to fail its M.O.T unless I can fix it with this string, blue tac and pack of Sherberts, it's all I have.'

[ETERNITY]

I see the E30 exclusive bummers are using the straw man argument by posting pictures of E36s that deserve a place on Barry Boys.

I can't understand the concept of 'It's not an E30 so it's <Insert unfounded comment here>', you sound a lot like a religous cult.

As for someone driving an E30 'cos they want to rather than it being all they can afford.....:.:. How many people come on here and go 'I've bought a £400 shitter, it's going to fail its M.O.T unless I can fix it with this string, blue tac and pack of Sherberts, it's all I have.'

good point!

always going be differant perspectives,

i say have your have your own perspectives, and do what makes you happy.

[Fushion_Julz]

Interesting thread

My opinion is that the e36 just doesnt have the same feel,involvement and road presence as a e30.There heavier, slower and just look like common/popular bmw's.

Where as if you see a mint sport e30 on the road it will have much more road presence and character.

The E36 is heavier...but not by much. A similarly equipped 325 E36 weighs approx 100Kg more than the E30.
Given that the engine produces more power, too, the power to weight ratio is about the same.
They aren't slower...In most cases the E36 is faster and for the average driver the E36 is faster AND safer whilst doing it!

They are, though, common, popular BMWS...for a very good reason: They were the best car in their class by a very long way!

Its in our nature to appreciate rare things and have things that are exclusive, and minty mint e30 sport's are becoming rare now.

I personally would only have a sports e30, so thats why i would only compare the sport models.

compare the e36 318is/325i sport with the e30 318is/325i sport, which one would you drive.

No such thing as an E36 325 "sport"

I'd agree that the E30 325 Sport is (becoming) desirable due to scarcity...It probably is also a slightly better sport driving experience than the E36 325....

easy decision! the e30 all day long.

For me its the fact the e30's are drivers cars and you need to be skilled driver to drive them hard which makes it more fun.

The e36 feels boring because it doesnt have the same raw feel, mechanically.

The e30 is so involving it makes you feel good, and thats what its all about for me.Your very connected to the the drive.

If you are a skilled driver (and I mean really skilled), you will be able to lap any track faster in a standard E36 than any standard E30, bar the M3 versions...That is guaranteed!
The Z-link rear suspension of the E36 makes it a lot more predictable and sure-footed. The extra power from the engines is easier to put down through the wheels and the better steering, albeit a bit over-assisted in the E36, makes it sharper. All this assumes, though, that your suspension is in tip-top condition...E36s are a lot more prone to worn bushes and shocks and broken springs than an E30 and they show up the defects a lot more, too.

The E30 feels more "raw" because it is...it has fairly primitive rear suspension, slow steering, less soundproofing and less chassis/monocoque rigidity. Of course it can be made better, but then so can an E36!

However, the point really is that the E36 can be driven faster and more safely by the average driver...and let's face it, that's most of us!

Even the engine tones seem differant from the e30's to the e36.
I know which 1 i would prefer, the old e30.
Jus sounds amazingly raw and alive.

Of course the engine sounds different...
The M20 2 valve per cylinder will always sound different to M50/52 4 valve per cylinder.

Refined cars are better for families and motorway cruising, but nothing beats a good old bmw e30 sport for personal driving connection/pleasure.

really? I'm assuming you don't have an M3...That, to me, means you haven't driven anything more exciting than a 1980s small saloon...
Have a spin in a Lotus Elise, try a Caterham/Westfield 7, how about a Honda Integra type R? Perhaps a Lotus Carlton...or almost any TVR. Try an Aston V8 Vantage

Its not even the 0-60 times for me, its the connection i feel when i am driving an e30 .If i wanted a fast 0-60 i would opt for a jap car, which goes well but feels like its going to fall apart.

Thats why e30's have more of a following than the e36's.And all the enthuiasts know this., thats why the prices are rising for the e30 and not for the e36.

I agree that the e36/e40 is more practical than a e30 in todays world, but it cant make you feel what the e30 does. The e36 has many advantages over the e30 in terms of fuel economy, less niggles,more modern who those who want tto impress society.

But for me its about personal preferance.I have been dissed for driving my e30 by a few ignorant professional people but who cares,I iant no joke that follows what society thinks, but follow my own personal preferances.

last point

How many times have you heard of e30 lovers grinning to them selves as they accelarate through the b roads and dont want to stop driving.

Never heard anyone grin...

Enjoy your E30

[capri_rob]

at least this makes a change from 6pot vs 4pot

I couldn't give a toss about impressing society - just because you can use an E30 as a daily driver doesn't mean you should.

A good E36 will still be squeak and rattle free and drive like a new car - most E30's don't unless they have had tons of cash thrown at them - in which case why would you want to devalue it by using it as an everyday hack.

E30's make great second cars to have fun with - E36's don't yet because they're still quite "new" and don't have that retro appeal yet.

10 years from now kids that grew up in the 90's will be driving £1500 E90's as daily's and have mint 328i Sports tucked up in the garage as a fun second car.

[bedumon]

I bet that theres people on here that have spent £1000's restoring and making there e30's modern and mint and you wouldnt see the same appreciation for the e36.

Any one can just nip out and buy a nice e36 from your local supercarmarket, but to find and restore a e30 takes alot time/effort/moeny to make mint, therefore gets appreciated more and we all crave apppreciation.

E30 drivers seem to be more lively and passionate people and like to stand out.

So when you compare the e30 scene with the e36 they are worthless because they dont have the same following.

Why do we spent so much time/money/effort on these cars, because there worth it, you wouldnt find the same love for the e36.

Sorry mate but this is absolute nonsense. There are just as big fan clubs of the E36's as there are E30's. People spend thousands modifying E36.....maybe not restoring as they're not yet rustbuckets.

E36 enthusiast will tell you that the M3's/Evo's are one of the best car's to drive in terms of power, poise, balance and handling. And they have the same love for the E36's as you do of E30's.

BTW I've seen this first hand as my older brother's are into E36's are have highly modded cars.

[Jhonno]

so you have never heard a healthy e30 engine

a healthy m20 engine sounds fantastic, does it not?

Owned several..

Not in anyway better than an e36 lump.. M20 exhaust note is great though

[ETERNITY]

I have heard alot of e36 m3 evo owners complain about their carsin regards to maintanance costs and loss of power (vanos issues).
i know there are good ones about but alot have been passed on like a whore, and above 12 owners so most examples are battered.

The fact that the e30 feels not as safe makes it more fun to me and i bet alot of others feel the same way.

I aint going to diss any one giving me feedback on my points unlike some on here.

There just my perspectives and am just expressing my views

"Honda integra type r, driven it and didnt rate it, all high end revs and build quality is poor"

am sure alot of people will agree with my points and even if they dont am entitled to my opinion.

[Jhonno]

I have heard alot of e36 m3 evo owners complain about their carsin regards to maintanance costs and loss of power (vanos issues).
i know there are good ones about but alot have been passed on like a whore, and above 12 owners so most examples are battered.

So are many e30's..

ANY 'M' car is expensive to maintain.. VANOS is an overblown internet based old wives tale..

[ETERNITY]

i never go on tales but my own real life experiances

I havnt owned one, but my freinds have and was told to keep away if i cant find a good one. Absolute nightmare if there not mainatined properly.Like any car really

[e30topless]

Fully agree, the only people who slag of e36's are people who have never driven them or owned one.

not me, I am stuck in the 80's

I bought an almost new e30 in 1989 and I have had them ever since !

I bought an almost new e36 in 1994, a 328i coupe in 1999
an almost new E46 330ci in 2005,
in total I have probably owned 7 or 8 e36's

guess what ? I still have an E30 and none of the above,

I love this thread nothing like a bit of banter...

ok so which e36 is the best, 4 pot or 6 ? 2 or 4 door ?

are the 318is e36's galvanised baby M3 smg's ?

[Jhonno]

i never go on tales but my own real life experiances

I havnt owned one, but my freinds have and was told to keep away if i cant find a good one. Absolute nightmare if there not mainatined properly.Like any car really

Think about this statement......

ANY car which is not maintained properly will be a nightmare.. An 'M' car not maintained properly will be an expensive nightmare..

I have mates with them, I have a 3.0 in my car yet no issues to report. Clearly your mates have bought dogs..

[DanThe]

If you want engine tone, check out the link below. Another example of a stunning e36, if you don't like this you must question your sanity.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7078

This is like one of those f*cking annoying american teen soap operas full of ponced up pricks that do nothing but pose about and talk shite in their 'speshul' moddified accents

E30 drivers seem to be more lively and passionate people and like to stand out.

Have you been watching the differs on youtube, or do you have a lot of bruvs with cabs and speakers in your area

[tomislav]

ooh hoting up i see!

I've done the 'ring up against another e30 325i touring with very similar mods to mine... except he was running a 24v 2.5 not an m20.

I won, by some margin. Maybe i'm more of a loon but regardless, that car should have had a fair bit more pace.

I think unless you go for an e36 m3 you'd be wasting your money.

An e30 318is or 320 with suspension in good nick will be fun. An e36 318 or 320 would be less so cos its just not as raw and a bit too modern.

There good and bad points about both models of 3 series but overall, there's great ones to choose from both eras and they are both BMW's which is always a winner.

I'd love an e36 m3 with a huge carbon airbox on it cos they sound the absolute nuts! But thats modified so will alwas sound better. My e30 touring is basically atrack car without a roll cage, (got coilys, huge brakes etc but sandardm20b25 lump) and is a million times better than it was standard imo. But the engine, modified or otherwise, will never sound as good as a later 24v lump with a proper carbon set up. You win some and lose some.

Jus another load of examples for the for's and agains's of each marque

[Jhonno]

I've done the 'ring up against another e30 325i touring with very similar mods to mine... except he was running a 24v 2.5 not an m20.

I won, by some margin. Maybe i'm more of a loon but regardless, that car should have had a fair bit more pace.

Yes it should have done. End of. Either his engine is shagged or it's down to the driver. Same car with 20bhp more and more torque WILL be quicker, end of. It is physics.

[rh306]

The guy that designed the E30 also designed the E36. Clause Luthe.

...he also designed the RO80

[bss325i]

This thread is boring.

The E36 is a good car. No ifs, no buts.

The end.

[DanThe]

Whats an E36?

[e30topless]

Whats an E36?

20% of a CR24v

[DanThe]

Whats an E36?

20% of a CR24v

Exactly! Its a fooking donor!

[h7fal]

Is it not just because E36 are still in the council stage of their overall lifecycle? The good 6 cylinder ones will start to be more appreciated in 5 years or so.

[Rav335uk]

Whats an E36?

Something you love to Rape

[andrew_baran]

Is it not just because E36 are still in the council stage of their overall lifecycle? The good 6 cylinder ones will start to be more appreciated in 5 years or so.

Yep, realistically. Although I don't think any later BMWs will match the E30's popularity amongst enthusiasts.

[DanThe]

There are plenty of E30's in 'council stage' of their lives

[Blitz]

Theres a certain E36 that is a classic already and there very expensive if you happen to find one.

What more could you want in a car plus there manual.

[Boyraceruk]

I believe we have a winner.

If any E36 haters who mistakenly bought an E36 325 coupe are on this thread and would prefer an E30 325 Touring I would be happy to part-ex.

Cash my way of course.

[Kos]

i still like e36's and if you dont well try a compact ................

still as raw as an e30, but much more modern ( shame about the build quality though)







alternativly e36 tourings work will with subtle mods





que ratch and the haters

[town325i]

There are some weird people on here of late the Compacts are a nice looking car imo of course and they do drive well.

E36 tourings aint to bad to look at i would own one if i had space for one

E36 coupes i dont like them or the saloon but to make an E36 look like a nice car you only have to bolt on a few choice parts and jobs a good en you have a nice looking car

[Blitz]

I've never liked the compact. Always thought they were a cut price budget version of the E36. Some of the sportier ones look better though.

[Barx325i]

compact + s50 + s4.10 - now there's a compact

[town325i]

I've never liked the compact. Always thought they were a cut price budget version of the E36. Some of the sportier ones look better though.

Your missing the point of the compact really most people that bought compacts where women this being they are short enough to navigate around car parks and most women dont like cars that are long like the coupes as they have trouble driving them apparently

[ETERNITY]

e36 Will never have the popularity like the e30.you can buy them for peanuts and i doubt that they will ever go up in price.even the m3.build quality is poor thats the main reason i think there worthless.

[Morat]

I see the E30 exclusive bummers are using the straw man argument by posting pictures of E36s that deserve a place on Barry Boys.

All the pictures on this thread were posted by E36 fanboys. You're all blind