m3 as a daily driver ?
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theres an m3 1985 in my local autotrader, 5500 ono - i dont even know if this is a good price, im currently running a 318is as a daily - the MOT is due soon and im dreading it, petrol costs are bad enough,
personally i think going for the m3 as a daily is a bad idea!
(wrong colour m3 too - its alpine white - itll get filthy!)
personally i think going for the m3 as a daily is a bad idea!
(wrong colour m3 too - its alpine white - itll get filthy!)
go and see it, if ure gonna spend 5 g on a car u wanna know if its in good order?
s14 s are good engines, timing chain and water pump should be changed and have a receipt to show how long ago it was done.
shame to put miles on a classic car, but i couldnԚ´t imagine a better car to spend my day in
get it mate, even if its a turd, the potential worth once restored makes a spray and a tune worth it
s14 s are good engines, timing chain and water pump should be changed and have a receipt to show how long ago it was done.
shame to put miles on a classic car, but i couldnԚ´t imagine a better car to spend my day in
get it mate, even if its a turd, the potential worth once restored makes a spray and a tune worth it
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MPG's OK when taking your time, but they're not for taking your time
Running costs can get expensive if you get engine problems, S14 parts are mega expensive (Ԛ£150 for a water pump, Ԛ£70 for a thermostat).
White is the right colour for an E30 M3, look at the proper M3's (DTM)
(and don't let Gazza tell you otherwise!)
White is easy to keep clean, dark colours are the worst, especially black and dark blues.
Ignore Johnono's comment about the timing chain
it's all BS, they do not require changing, they are duplex chains, and only sprocket wear causing the chain to jump can cause problems.
Running costs can get expensive if you get engine problems, S14 parts are mega expensive (Ԛ£150 for a water pump, Ԛ£70 for a thermostat).
White is the right colour for an E30 M3, look at the proper M3's (DTM)
White is easy to keep clean, dark colours are the worst, especially black and dark blues.
Ignore Johnono's comment about the timing chain

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think i might go view it then, anything else i should look for ? - its been in the current owners hands for 7 years
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1985?
err the first ones were earlyish 86 for the German market...first UK models (with MPH speedos and engerlish lettering on the check panel, clock/computer) were late 86...
for Ԛ£5500 it would need to be in pretty good knick, IMO...
I recently bought a good early 87 car with electric windows, manual roof, blind, 16" BBS, good 225/45/16 Avon zz1s all round and less than 140K km and some history for a tad under Ԛ£4k
It needed water pump, gearbox linkeage bushes, fan resistor and a new 6-button mini OBC (now done) and still needs the rear spoiler paint sorted and driver seat squab re-trimmed but is a clean, useable car and I reckon it is more economical (on petrol, at least) than my 325i.
err the first ones were earlyish 86 for the German market...first UK models (with MPH speedos and engerlish lettering on the check panel, clock/computer) were late 86...
for Ԛ£5500 it would need to be in pretty good knick, IMO...
I recently bought a good early 87 car with electric windows, manual roof, blind, 16" BBS, good 225/45/16 Avon zz1s all round and less than 140K km and some history for a tad under Ԛ£4k
It needed water pump, gearbox linkeage bushes, fan resistor and a new 6-button mini OBC (now done) and still needs the rear spoiler paint sorted and driver seat squab re-trimmed but is a clean, useable car and I reckon it is more economical (on petrol, at least) than my 325i.
1987 Henna Rot M3 (was 195bhp CAT..now more and no cat)
2001 E46 330i SE Touring (manual)
2001 E46 330i SE Touring (manual)
Daily driver, no problem. Save the spirited driving for the weekends and evening.....you dont want to waste fuel on the way to and from work!!
The usual E30 things to look out for....lift the front and rear mats and feel for dampness/water. Check all the boot wells (3) for water and inside the back lights.
Check the scuttle panel for rust and all the way round the windscreen rubber/bonding.....even lifting carefully the rubber to see if there is any cover up going on! (The M3 windscreens were bonded, all the others were not)
1985 sounds a bit suss though, sounds like an import....the clocks may have been changed.....look out for wing side repeaters (none = import) and check the control panel above the rear view mirror....what language is it in and also the rear view mirror should have reading lamps built-in......the usual black inside roof lining.
If you do go and see it and are not sure of anything, then make a note and come back to the site and we will try and answer for you!
Oh, dont listen to the others.....Sterling Silver is the BEST colour, stays clean for donkeys unlike white and the darker colours
The usual E30 things to look out for....lift the front and rear mats and feel for dampness/water. Check all the boot wells (3) for water and inside the back lights.
Check the scuttle panel for rust and all the way round the windscreen rubber/bonding.....even lifting carefully the rubber to see if there is any cover up going on! (The M3 windscreens were bonded, all the others were not)
1985 sounds a bit suss though, sounds like an import....the clocks may have been changed.....look out for wing side repeaters (none = import) and check the control panel above the rear view mirror....what language is it in and also the rear view mirror should have reading lamps built-in......the usual black inside roof lining.
If you do go and see it and are not sure of anything, then make a note and come back to the site and we will try and answer for you!
Oh, dont listen to the others.....Sterling Silver is the BEST colour, stays clean for donkeys unlike white and the darker colours
Phil
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Hiya Mark, Right before i offer my opinion on owning a e30 m3 as a daily drive all you lads that have them lock your rotteweilers up now please, quite a few years ago now i used to go to germany and buy e30 m3s to bring back here to sell so ive had about eight of them all together including a cab, and can i first say theres not a better looking e30 ever made, there the dogs bo??ocks for looks, but to run a m3 in the UK to me is at least annoying and at times expensive, example overtaking on anything other than a motorway is dangerous, the dogleg gearbox is stupid for a road car, track car or circuits yes fine but normal driving better off with standard pattern box, oh and ticket machines at car parks do your head in been on the wrong side, Now the engine in the S14 is virtually bullet proof as people on here say, but compared to the sixes in most cases noisey at idle, and needs to be revved the balls off to get the full performance out of them and when you do drive them like this it could be a saxo engine under there from the sound, they just sound thrashy to me, not that trade mark BMW howling six, Has ive said though they look gorgeous, ohh and if your married or got a girlfriend dont let them drive a m3 all you finnish up with are four kerb wheels, ill get me coat and im off, cheers Dave
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Totally dis-agree, I find overtaking fine, especially around here, plenty of opportunities for it, dogleg box is brilliant, never had a problem with it, ticket machines, took mine to work today, had to use a card in a machine, just leant across and put the card in, I should imagine it may be a problem if you're on the larger side though!cabrio327i wrote:Hiya Mark, Right before i offer my opinion on owning a e30 m3 as a daily drive all you lads that have them lock your rotteweilers up now please, quite a few years ago now i used to go to germany and buy e30 m3s to bring back here to sell so ive had about eight of them all together including a cab, and can i first say theres not a better looking e30 ever made, there the dogs bo??ocks for looks, but to run a m3 in the UK to me is at least annoying and at times expensive, example overtaking on anything other than a motorway is dangerous, the dogleg gearbox is stupid for a road car, track car or circuits yes fine but normal driving better off with standard pattern box, oh and ticket machines at car parks do your head in been on the wrong side, Now the engine in the S14 is virtually bullet proof as people on here say, but compared to the sixes in most cases noisey at idle, and needs to be revved the balls off to get the full performance out of them and when you do drive them like this it could be a saxo engine under there from the sound, they just sound thrashy to me, not that trade mark BMW howling six, Has ive said though they look gorgeous, ohh and if your married or got a girlfriend dont let them drive a m3 all you finnish up with are four kerb wheels, ill get me coat and im off, cheers Dave
Personally, I love the noise of the S14, (never heard a saxo with throttle bodies!) it makes a proper racing car noise, even though I love the noise of the 6 too.
Oh and my missus just read this, and she said "cheeky b@stard!" She's driven mine a few times now, and she loves it!

if you have a problem with the ticket machine, reverse in!
I have done more than 100.000kms in my M3 as daily driver. Not as expensive as many people want you to believe. But you need to be able to sort a few things out yourself. (and BEFORE they go wrong...) If you take it to the dealer for every little hickup you need to build up a good relationship with your bank manager.
I have done more than 100.000kms in my M3 as daily driver. Not as expensive as many people want you to believe. But you need to be able to sort a few things out yourself. (and BEFORE they go wrong...) If you take it to the dealer for every little hickup you need to build up a good relationship with your bank manager.
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heh i am handy with the spanners, think you have to be if you own e30s
, usually do all my own work
79.000miles! That's just run in
But remove that Scrapion exhaust when it's yours. Noisy and robs power!
Go and get the beast, you won't regeret it. BTW Ԛ£5500 isn't a bad price for that car IMO.
If you can't get it I know a black late 215bhp car for sale with leather and EVO3 spoilers (not mine) for not much more than Ԛ£6k
But remove that Scrapion exhaust when it's yours. Noisy and robs power!
Go and get the beast, you won't regeret it. BTW Ԛ£5500 isn't a bad price for that car IMO.
If you can't get it I know a black late 215bhp car for sale with leather and EVO3 spoilers (not mine) for not much more than Ԛ£6k
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feck
thats only 22 miles from me
thats only 22 miles from me
Hello,
I recently sold my E30 M3.
Ignore the negative comments from cabrio327, I think the car is great for daily use. I used mine, come rain or shine without any problems, every blooming day. I put on loads of miles with no problems.
Unless you are a retard, overtaking is fine, as long as you do not rely on mirrors! Sure, overtaking on country roads is sometimes hard, but thats life!
As for ticket machines and drive thrus - lesson, unless you want nice car parks dents stay outa the malls, and as for drive thrus, stop being a salad dodger, eat some proper food. Anyway, my work car park recognised my distinctive car anyway and always raised the barrier automatically.
The dogleg box is only a problem initially, but it takes about a day to remember LHD and a dogleg, its not hard at all!
I prefer LHD and was tempted to buy a left hooker e46m3 instead of my rx8(cos the m3 was so cheap!)
Running costs are not bad at all! At the end of the day, I must point out, you can't expect to run a performance car for tuppence. There are guys oit there who just own an e30 m3 and run it to the ground without maintaining it properly. Sure, parts are expensive but its a limited edition BMW!
My personal experience was that it hardly cost me much to run, other than petrol. In 12 months all i needed to replace was a sump gasket, alternator and water pump. Compare that with my previous e36 which had a head gasket, wheel bearing and exhaust need replacing.
The timing chain debate is a can of worms which can stay shit today. But I will warn you, ensure you start the car from cold, check the oil before hand and find out what the previous owner has been using - 15w50 mobil motorsport is a good start. I used ow 40 and was fine, but that oil was used for 7 years in my old car. When the car is started from cold, check for any rattles from the timing chain area. These engines are not quiet at the best of times, so don't confused injector ticking and s14 chatter for a tappety engine.
Body work is the usual gremlin on a car this old, check for scuttle, numberplate rust - ask Simon, he had a few problems in these areas!
Check the dif for oil leaks...
That price seems ok and yes, please dump the scrapian exhaust!
HTH
RAGS!
I recently sold my E30 M3.
Ignore the negative comments from cabrio327, I think the car is great for daily use. I used mine, come rain or shine without any problems, every blooming day. I put on loads of miles with no problems.
Unless you are a retard, overtaking is fine, as long as you do not rely on mirrors! Sure, overtaking on country roads is sometimes hard, but thats life!
As for ticket machines and drive thrus - lesson, unless you want nice car parks dents stay outa the malls, and as for drive thrus, stop being a salad dodger, eat some proper food. Anyway, my work car park recognised my distinctive car anyway and always raised the barrier automatically.
The dogleg box is only a problem initially, but it takes about a day to remember LHD and a dogleg, its not hard at all!
I prefer LHD and was tempted to buy a left hooker e46m3 instead of my rx8(cos the m3 was so cheap!)
Running costs are not bad at all! At the end of the day, I must point out, you can't expect to run a performance car for tuppence. There are guys oit there who just own an e30 m3 and run it to the ground without maintaining it properly. Sure, parts are expensive but its a limited edition BMW!
My personal experience was that it hardly cost me much to run, other than petrol. In 12 months all i needed to replace was a sump gasket, alternator and water pump. Compare that with my previous e36 which had a head gasket, wheel bearing and exhaust need replacing.
The timing chain debate is a can of worms which can stay shit today. But I will warn you, ensure you start the car from cold, check the oil before hand and find out what the previous owner has been using - 15w50 mobil motorsport is a good start. I used ow 40 and was fine, but that oil was used for 7 years in my old car. When the car is started from cold, check for any rattles from the timing chain area. These engines are not quiet at the best of times, so don't confused injector ticking and s14 chatter for a tappety engine.
Body work is the usual gremlin on a car this old, check for scuttle, numberplate rust - ask Simon, he had a few problems in these areas!
Check the dif for oil leaks...
That price seems ok and yes, please dump the scrapian exhaust!
HTH
RAGS!
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I could also say the same to your comments rags, dont forget this is a debate about the pros and cons of owning a m3, and im not slagging them off, has ive said i have owned quite a few of them and there great cars, but they also have there drawbacks driving them in the UK, this is what i was trying to get across to potential buyers,so i think people should take these issues into account when buying a m3, the thing is when you live in the real world you have to accept that owning a m3 in the UK is not all possitive, and also dont forget theres a lot of competion out there now for either similar money or less that will blow the doors off any factory m3, example imprezzas, evos, skylines, etc and with the steering whell on thr right side, taking cover in the shelter now cheers Dave.
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I think what it all boils down too, and the original question, if you want a fast car (not what the original question was), go and buy a fast car, if you like E30 M3's (this is an E30 forum, and is likely to have users that like E30's) then go and buy an E30 M3, they're great cars, and once you've had a cance to get used to the LHD and dogleg box, they're fine.cabrio327i wrote:I could also say the same to your comments rags, dont forget this is a debate about the pros and cons of owning a m3, and im not slagging them off, has ive said i have owned quite a few of them and there great cars, but they also have there drawbacks driving them in the UK, this is what i was trying to get across to potential buyers,so i think people should take these issues into account when buying a m3, the thing is when you live in the real world you have to accept that owning a m3 in the UK is not all possitive, and also dont forget theres a lot of competion out there now for either similar money or less that will blow the doors off any factory m3, example imprezzas, evos, skylines, etc and with the steering whell on thr right side, taking cover in the shelter now cheers Dave.

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Yes that about sums things up Simon, i agree with that, Dave
Well Ive had mine for over a year now. And in that time I drove it every day to and from work. Round trip of about 45 miles ish.
Like Rags. My former employer had barriers, but the gatehouse got to recognise the car and would see this shaven headed idiot struggling to swipe his touch card on the reciever, and take pity on him by raising the barrier. Which incidentally is even more infuriating. As Ive made 90% of the effort to do it properly.
My overriding thoughts with using it everyday are
a) Fuel costs. I was doing circa 1 tank full a week. 5 weekdays and maybe a handfull of miles on the weekend. Optimax is now up to 94.9 near me. It wasnt for the majority of the last year. Now, I dont know how you drive generally, but I use the cars capability a lot. I enjoy driving it fast, so I guess if I had the discipline to drive economically for a week I would see an improvement. But I cant because its an engine designed to be thrashed (after warm up) Its a bit of a hooligans toy really.
b) Mileage. I bought the car with 73K its now on 86K or so. Thats a lot. And although its only a car etc etc. Resale value will be substantially lower once I hit 90K upwards. And another hit at 100K. (Especially since Munich Legends invented the timing chain will snap at 100,001 miles!! ) Thats really my problem more than a M3 issue. I cant see myself chopping it in for a while yet. But its something to be mindfull of. dont expect to turn a profit on one. Some do, most dont.
c) Maintenance. You do a lot of miles you come up on things faster. Simple fact maybe but as Uwe alluded to. Preventative maintenance is better. HOWEVER, Ive used 3 different specialists to work on my car. (Details availiable by PM) and to be honest not one of them has amazed me into going back for further work. And none of them are within 20min drive of my house either which is a pain. Ive probably spent around Ԛ£2-3 grand in the last year. Only a momo gearknob and gaitor as an upgrade. Admittedly a fair chunk of that was my "gearbox rebuild saga" (details PM) but as Rags said. Dont expect to run a performance car for pennies. These cars will deteriate rapidly otherwise and that will cause bigger headaches long term. Also on that note. Every sodding thing is order in for tomorrow + 1 day. Nothing is kept in stock for obvious reasons. But its a pain none the less.
d) Parking. Its fairly discreet, (seems most knuckleheads just see a H reg "crappy old shitbox BMW", to quote a tattooed bloke with 4 kids and a scabby wife in a Escort Estate think it must be a Ԛ£17,995 S reg example from Yes Car credit
) but not enough for me to be happy leaving it anywhere I cant keep an eye on it. Again for an everyday car you park in your employers car park fine. But in a sidestreet from your work? I wouldnt personally.
e) LHD and Dog Leg box. Not as much of an issue as people make. In normal driving the problems are slow sped stuff. 3 point turns are harder because first of all you look over your left shoulder as you would in a RHD car. (how you did on your test) but you cant see anything. So then you look over your right shoulder, but because your still doing the turn in the test way i.e right, back, right. You're not really looking where you're going. Same for Parrallel parking. I used to be shit hot at this in my old Escort. Now Im average. And end up shunting back and forth a lot. Also mirrors. Cant ever get drivers side in a position Im happy with because Im still setting up for RHD. I.e shows the kerb. But when Im driving I use it to see whats going on behind me like you would in your drivers mirror on RHD. Sounds pissy but its just another irritating factor of using LHD in a RHD country. You have to teach your brain to look in the right place. Its still not natural even now.
f) The sound. God it sounds awful. Its a rattly bastard of an engine. They all are. Harsh and mechanical and sounds like its got a thimblefull of oil in the sump. You sit in traffic and the noise just bounces off the other cars back at you. And you cringe. Ive got a Milltek exhaust which sounds nice, when you let the car have a bit of space, but at slow speeds posing in towns its terrible (not that Im a poseur of course!) And on talking about the engine. After a run the amount of heat that it generates and seems to all end up in the cabin is immense. I didnt want A/C (cos my nose gets irritated) but on a mildly warm day id swap 30 brake for it! Even with the sunroof and both windows open it heats up and i get stuck to the leather seats which is uncomfortable
But despite all this, you go down a nice road, and you turn in and it just does. There no over or understeer. (unless your going in to fast) You squeeze the Gas and it fires out of the corner and change and change and brake for the next one. Thats when none of the everyday shite Ive listed matters. Thats when you realise why you bought this car instead of another car.
Like Rags. My former employer had barriers, but the gatehouse got to recognise the car and would see this shaven headed idiot struggling to swipe his touch card on the reciever, and take pity on him by raising the barrier. Which incidentally is even more infuriating. As Ive made 90% of the effort to do it properly.
My overriding thoughts with using it everyday are
a) Fuel costs. I was doing circa 1 tank full a week. 5 weekdays and maybe a handfull of miles on the weekend. Optimax is now up to 94.9 near me. It wasnt for the majority of the last year. Now, I dont know how you drive generally, but I use the cars capability a lot. I enjoy driving it fast, so I guess if I had the discipline to drive economically for a week I would see an improvement. But I cant because its an engine designed to be thrashed (after warm up) Its a bit of a hooligans toy really.
b) Mileage. I bought the car with 73K its now on 86K or so. Thats a lot. And although its only a car etc etc. Resale value will be substantially lower once I hit 90K upwards. And another hit at 100K. (Especially since Munich Legends invented the timing chain will snap at 100,001 miles!! ) Thats really my problem more than a M3 issue. I cant see myself chopping it in for a while yet. But its something to be mindfull of. dont expect to turn a profit on one. Some do, most dont.
c) Maintenance. You do a lot of miles you come up on things faster. Simple fact maybe but as Uwe alluded to. Preventative maintenance is better. HOWEVER, Ive used 3 different specialists to work on my car. (Details availiable by PM) and to be honest not one of them has amazed me into going back for further work. And none of them are within 20min drive of my house either which is a pain. Ive probably spent around Ԛ£2-3 grand in the last year. Only a momo gearknob and gaitor as an upgrade. Admittedly a fair chunk of that was my "gearbox rebuild saga" (details PM) but as Rags said. Dont expect to run a performance car for pennies. These cars will deteriate rapidly otherwise and that will cause bigger headaches long term. Also on that note. Every sodding thing is order in for tomorrow + 1 day. Nothing is kept in stock for obvious reasons. But its a pain none the less.
d) Parking. Its fairly discreet, (seems most knuckleheads just see a H reg "crappy old shitbox BMW", to quote a tattooed bloke with 4 kids and a scabby wife in a Escort Estate think it must be a Ԛ£17,995 S reg example from Yes Car credit
e) LHD and Dog Leg box. Not as much of an issue as people make. In normal driving the problems are slow sped stuff. 3 point turns are harder because first of all you look over your left shoulder as you would in a RHD car. (how you did on your test) but you cant see anything. So then you look over your right shoulder, but because your still doing the turn in the test way i.e right, back, right. You're not really looking where you're going. Same for Parrallel parking. I used to be shit hot at this in my old Escort. Now Im average. And end up shunting back and forth a lot. Also mirrors. Cant ever get drivers side in a position Im happy with because Im still setting up for RHD. I.e shows the kerb. But when Im driving I use it to see whats going on behind me like you would in your drivers mirror on RHD. Sounds pissy but its just another irritating factor of using LHD in a RHD country. You have to teach your brain to look in the right place. Its still not natural even now.
f) The sound. God it sounds awful. Its a rattly bastard of an engine. They all are. Harsh and mechanical and sounds like its got a thimblefull of oil in the sump. You sit in traffic and the noise just bounces off the other cars back at you. And you cringe. Ive got a Milltek exhaust which sounds nice, when you let the car have a bit of space, but at slow speeds posing in towns its terrible (not that Im a poseur of course!) And on talking about the engine. After a run the amount of heat that it generates and seems to all end up in the cabin is immense. I didnt want A/C (cos my nose gets irritated) but on a mildly warm day id swap 30 brake for it! Even with the sunroof and both windows open it heats up and i get stuck to the leather seats which is uncomfortable
But despite all this, you go down a nice road, and you turn in and it just does. There no over or understeer. (unless your going in to fast) You squeeze the Gas and it fires out of the corner and change and change and brake for the next one. Thats when none of the everyday shite Ive listed matters. Thats when you realise why you bought this car instead of another car.
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some nice stories! all tempting me, seems the owner has gone away on holiday for a bit, so ive no idea if or when i get to see it never mind buy it (its probably been sold), thing is with me i can never see myself in a modern box, always had old cars.
ive been tempted by more modern stuff but they just dont appeal, ive always been a tinkerer with cars and ive done a fair amount of work on
my 318is , ive done allsorts on it, but its been quite reliable
its not that i want an M3, i wasnt looking in particular for one just this one appeared in the autotrader out of the blue and local! and it feels like i'm due a change (being scared of my next MOT isnt helping much!)
insurance is a little bit higher for the M3, parts dont seem that bad - you just have to put them in relation to other cars on the market (eg my mate spent 1k on a fuel pump in his transit - i spent 400 quid on an exhaust for my 318is) its just part and parcel, also id only do 150 miles a week driving at the most.
does anyone know this car or owner ?
ive been tempted by more modern stuff but they just dont appeal, ive always been a tinkerer with cars and ive done a fair amount of work on
my 318is , ive done allsorts on it, but its been quite reliable
its not that i want an M3, i wasnt looking in particular for one just this one appeared in the autotrader out of the blue and local! and it feels like i'm due a change (being scared of my next MOT isnt helping much!)
insurance is a little bit higher for the M3, parts dont seem that bad - you just have to put them in relation to other cars on the market (eg my mate spent 1k on a fuel pump in his transit - i spent 400 quid on an exhaust for my 318is) its just part and parcel, also id only do 150 miles a week driving at the most.
does anyone know this car or owner ?




