325i sport vs escort rs turbo

[320ise]

Rare one i know! what do you guys think would happen on a track?

[Bob_S]

the rst will crash.

[Speedtouch]

Standard RS Turbo with 130ish bhp should in theory be left behind in a dust cloud of torque steer and understeer.

However, my Tech 2 Sport with low compression M20B25 didn't feel particularly quick.

[E30BeemerLad]

RST performance 0-60 8.2 and 122 mph, the 325 should walk it if in good health

[320ise]

what is factory 325i 0 60?

[Mayze]

The RST is slower and handles worse it would also probably get to the start line and conk out and refuse to start again.

[Speedtouch]

what is factory 325i 0 60?

Around 7.3 seconds

[dannyboy759]

To be fair ive had many an RS and it would be close!
Especially that its easy to get a lot more power out on the 1.6 cvh turbo lump than the 325 could ever wish for.
Good set of suspension and a remap and it would eat any e30 for breakfast, as much as it pains me to say it, being front wheel drive and not German.

[fuzzy]

132bhp /180lbft and 1080kg for the rs. i dont know. itd be close i think.

[bss325i]

To be fair ive had many an RS and it would be close!
Especially that its easy to get a lot more power out on the 1.6 cvh turbo lump than the 325 could ever wish for.
Good set of suspension and a remap and it would eat any e30 for breakfast, as much as it pains me to say it, being front wheel drive and not German.

All RS turbos were built in Germany.

[bss325i]

I to have had many an RS turbo and they handle alot better than people make are making out!

They have better tuning potential as they are FI.

My silver series 2 had a RELIABLE 240bhp/250lbft at the fly and would own alot of so called fast cars!

240bhp/250lbft and only weighing 1000kg is not to be sniffed at!

3 gear was mind blowing!

[R4N_S_S]

how many rs turbos are std tho.

I know back in the day my rst was 150bhp and more torque and had decent suspension on it and would definately outhandle a fair few cars on the twisties.

It would be close.

Oh and a stadard rst is dog slow.

[jamie325isport]

All depends what way round the track you go, I think its right hand corners that CVH lump doesnt like unless you have a baffled sump. Performance wise I think it would be close but the RST would no doubt break after a few laps.

[R4N_S_S]

why would the rs break tho unless not maintained properly like any other car.

[bss325i]

why would the rs break tho unless not maintained properly like any other car.

Exactly!

As long as they are maintained properly and the fueling is spot on they are fine!

They bad reputation they have got over the years are from when they fell into the wrong hands and people fitted bleed valves and wounf them out for more boost which inevitibly lead to........

.....Bang!

[jamie325isport]

why would the rs break tho unless not maintained properly like any other car.

Because its a RST, its almost 20 years old and not as well made as a BMW its that simple, maintained or not its not that hard to blow the arse out of them. If the engine doesnt blow the arse out of itself the gearbox will. There just not that reliable. The CVH engine was ok in injection form i.e XR3i but with the turbo on they just didnt seem to last long, and all this is from experience with all my mates motors. This is when they were only about 5 years old, have they got better since then?

[jamie325isport]

why would the rs break tho unless not maintained properly like any other car.

Exactly!

As long as they are maintained properly and the fueling is spot on they are fine!

They bad reputation they have got over the years are from when they fell into the wrong hands and people fitted bleed valves and wounf them out for more boost which inevitibly lead to........

.....Bang!

My mates mum had one from new, totally standard. Yes she drove it hard but then it was ment to wasnt it? She had to have a new engine under warrenty. Out of the 2 cars today, nearly 20 years on both with FSH getting thrashed round and round the track the BMW will keep on going. If you like the BMW is like the duracell bunny.

[R4N_S_S]

why would the rs break tho unless not maintained properly like any other car.

Because its a RST, its almost 20 years old and not as well made as a BMW its that simple, maintained or not its not that hard to blow the arse out of them. If the engine doesnt blow the arse out of itself the gearbox will. There just not that reliable. The CVH engine was ok in injection form i.e XR3i but with the turbo on they just didnt seem to last long, and all this is from experience with all my mates motors. This is when they were only about 5 years old, have they got better since then?

that is absolute bollocks mate. how old is an e30 nowadays?
my rst was reliable as was my cossie. as said earlier if you maintiain a car properly there is no reason why it shouldnt be reliable.

[jamie325isport]

why would the rs break tho unless not maintained properly like any other car.

Because its a RST, its almost 20 years old and not as well made as a BMW its that simple, maintained or not its not that hard to blow the arse out of them. If the engine doesnt blow the arse out of itself the gearbox will. There just not that reliable. The CVH engine was ok in injection form i.e XR3i but with the turbo on they just didnt seem to last long, and all this is from experience with all my mates motors. This is when they were only about 5 years old, have they got better since then?

that is absolute bollocks mate. how old is an e30 nowadays?
my rst was reliable as was my cossie. as said earlier if you maintiain a car properly there is no reason why it shouldnt be reliable.

About the same age as a series 2. But all day I would put money on the E30 M20 covering more miles trouble free than a Ford CVH. Im sorry mate but that is how it is. A well maintained E30 will hit 300,000 miles without major work, A CVH with TURBO will not. Simple as that. Much much better engineered cars. If you argue that your a mug.

[R4N_S_S]

surely the argument is going round a track not how many miles it will do before a rebuild.

I agree the bmw will go longer but round a track both adequately maintained cars will be a close race but the rst will be quicker thru the bends

[jamie325isport]

surely the argument is going round a track not how many miles it will do before a rebuild.

I agree the bmw will go longer but round a track both adequately maintained cars will be a close race but the rst will be quicker thru the bends

And if you look I said it would be close race. The mileage is relivant because both cars will now have high mileage. Then put them on a track will only make them weaker. Ok both cars have covered 150k (low mileage for year) put them on the ring what do you think will happen honestly?

[bss325i]

Because its a RST, its almost 20 years old and not as well made as a BMW its that simple, maintained or not its not that hard to blow the arse out of them. If the engine doesnt blow the arse out of itself the gearbox will. There just not that reliable. The CVH engine was ok in injection form i.e XR3i but with the turbo on they just didnt seem to last long, and all this is from experience with all my mates motors. This is when they were only about 5 years old, have they got better since then?

that is absolute bollocks mate. how old is an e30 nowadays?
my rst was reliable as was my cossie. as said earlier if you maintiain a car properly there is no reason why it shouldnt be reliable.

About the same age as a series 2. But all day I would put money on the E30 M20 covering more miles trouble free than a Ford CVH. Im sorry mate but that is how it is. A well maintained E30 will hit 300,000 miles without major work, A CVH with TURBO will not. Simple as that. Much much better engineered cars. If you argue that your a mug.

I'll agree that that an M20 will last longer but the unreliabilty reputation of RSTs stemed from abuse.

An M20 is less suceptable to abuse.

[burgoil]

escort rs turbos are shit....end of

[R4N_S_S]

at the ring provided neither car broke down due to poor maintenance i would say it would be close and would evidently come down to the driver with the bigger balls.

my 400bhp cossie was tracked for almost 4 years and got plenty of abuse on the road - on track the only issues i had were a popping a boost hose off and on another session snapping 2 of the rear wheel studs

[R4N_S_S]

like you say a 150k rst will more than likely have an engine rebuild so will prob last longer than the bmw - lol

[R4N_S_S]

escort rs turbos are shit....end of

but then so are e30 bmws - its all a matter of opinion and what makes us all different.

[penton08]

rst's are good little cars. ive had a few s2's and a s1. the rs in standard tune wont keep up with a 325, but a few simple mods to the escort and it will piss all over a 325i. round a track the e30 would get blown away. m20 is still a better engine imo, cvh's need constant attention. my 325 would die of shock if i serviced it!!!

[bss325i]

escort rs turbos are shit....end of

On the basis of what experience?

[Mayze]

Cossie - RST Chalk - Cheese

CVH - YB Smoky old turd - Engineering masterpiece

[mongoose]

I reckon we should write to topgear ask them to a retro shot out lol!!! any way carfolio.com says an 86 e30 will do 0-62 (100km) in 7.7 & on to a 138 mph (222km) also says 0-60 mph 7.2 i gussing gear change somwhere there any escort rst 0-60 8.3 then 125 mph (201km) so on paper e30 is quicker



but lets face round a track it depends on the driver skill & size of balls lol

[carlrst]

ive got both and wen my rs was on the road it was rely quick and light in the corners, my e30 feels like a tank compaired, and yes the rs is having a rebuild at the mo lol

[SUMPCRACKER]

There are not many standard rs turbos left, and I doubt you would find a standard one on a track.
An average tuned RS will have a scorpion , filter , - 10 actuator - chip and be about 180hp.
But a lot are well past the 200mark.

I think they handle well and there are more people who can drive a front wheel drive car to the limit than a rear..

I wouldn't class an E30 as a performance car unless it has an Alpina or M3 badge.
Old fords get faster, old bmw's get slower.
I would expect an average E30 to get lapped by an average RST.

[jamie325isport]

There are not many standard rs turbos left, and I doubt you would find a standard one on a track.
An average tuned RS will have a scorpion , filter , - 10 actuator - chip and be about 180hp.
But a lot are well past the 200mark.

I think they handle well and there are more people who can drive a front wheel drive car to the limit than a rear..

I wouldn't class an E30 as a performance car unless it has an Alpina or M3 badge.
Old fords get faster, old bmw's get slower.
I would expect an average E30 to get lapped by an average RST.

Oh yeah I think they handle well and like you say more people can drive FWD easier than RWD. But I dont agree on the old fords get faster and old bmws get slower. They both get slower!

Oh yeah why on earth is your Alpina running so low on fuel, naughty naughty sumpcracker!!!

[SUMPCRACKER]

There are not many standard rs turbos left, and I doubt you would find a standard one on a track.
An average tuned RS will have a scorpion , filter , - 10 actuator - chip and be about 180hp.
But a lot are well past the 200mark.

I think they handle well and there are more people who can drive a front wheel drive car to the limit than a rear..

I wouldn't class an E30 as a performance car unless it has an Alpina or M3 badge.
Old fords get faster, old bmw's get slower.
I would expect an average E30 to get lapped by an average RST.

Oh yeah I think they handle well and like you say more people can drive FWD easier than RWD. But I dont agree on the old fords get faster and old bmws get slower. They both get slower!

Oh yeah why on earth is your Alpina running so low on fuel, naughty naughty sumpcracker!!!

I meant that the bmw's get run into the ground and the old fords often get tuned with their premature engine rebuilds.

Its not an Alpina, its a wanky tourer with ebay morsels, and I need to leave the tank empty incase I decide to burn it.

[dannyboy759]

All RS turbos were built in Germany

Well there you go! everyday is a school day lol