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Alex
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Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:52 pm

My 318is had a slight tappety top end, but since ive had it its came and gone, now its back, its comming from this area below

When i went out in it last night, i noticed it was louder that it has ever been and it seems to be getting louder and louder, even with my exhaust you can clearly hear it in the car louder than its even been

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even my mate i pickup on a morning noticed it sounded tappety, its always there under load, not under load, it taps more when revs are higher

It just seems to be getting louder, at first i was worried it was the timing chain tensioner was about to let go but its comming from the other end :?

anyone any idea?????
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Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:57 pm

Tappets? Arnt they hydrolichally adjusted on the is though, like the ford CVH engine or is that the M40?

When was you last oil change?
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Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:00 pm

oil was changed about 4-5 weeks ago

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Yep there hydrolic, although the sound seems to be comming more so from down the side of the rocker cover
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Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:30 pm

Exhaust manifold leak? or an injector seems likely in that area
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Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:44 pm

My M42 had started to make a bit of a knocking sound from cold, seems to be coming from around the chain so i'm hoping its just the tensioner
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:13 am

anyone any other suggestions

its driving me round the bend :(

Mr moooooore any idea? :D
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:20 am

pac1982 wrote:My M42 had started to make a bit of a knocking sound from cold, seems to be coming from around the chain so i'm hoping its just the tensioner
if it is just the tensioner, get it sorted sooner rather than later. your wallet will thank me.
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:22 am

Alex wrote:Mr moooooore any idea? :D
None other than those which willnz has posted above.
Bit of 1/2" garden hose with one end stuck in your ear, to track the source down.
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Brianmoooore wrote:
Alex wrote:Mr moooooore any idea? :D
None other than those which willnz has posted above.
Bit of 1/2" garden hose with one end stuck in your ear, to track the source down.
that sounds like a good idea :cool:
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:17 pm

manifolds cracked.
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:35 pm

mine made that same noise same area it turned out to be where one the cam.
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:36 pm

Head was rebuilt in 2000 at 90k its on 137k now, do you recon it still could be a little cam wear, its had 3 oil changes since ive had it but before that i dont know

wonder if the oil spray bar is blocked?

Will have a look on sunday got work later today :roll:
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:48 pm

Could be worn timing case parts, nylon guides, tensioner etc. Can't think it's cracked manifolds or anything to do with intake at all.

Hi-end trebly tappety noise sounds like Hydraulic Lifters need replacing @£16 each, 4 per Cylinder not factoring labour - :eek:

Low end raspy sound between 2.5K rpm - 3.5K rpm is tensioner or whole timing case. £500 in parts and 4 hours labour.

Any M42 that gets to 100K+ is due some major TLC. You can't ask them to go on forever without coughing up big every 15 years.

Sounds crazy but for the cost of sorting the engine properly you can drop in a RMFD engine for the same price. You are a fair time away from this but something to think about.
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:58 pm

like i said though at 90k in 2000 the whole top end was overhauled, head skimmed, new valves, cam etc etc

then again thats nearly 10 years ago now 8O
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:04 pm

I doubt it's your timing case as actually you've outlined the problem as being at the opposite end.
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Royalratch wrote: Hi-end trebly tappety noise sounds like Hydraulic Lifters need replacing @£16 each, 4 per Cylinder not factoring labour - :eek:

Low end raspy sound between 2.5K rpm - 3.5K rpm is tensioner or whole timing case. £500 in parts and 4 hours labour.

Any M42 that gets to 100K+ is due some major TLC. You can't ask them to go on forever without coughing up big every 15

It's almost guaranteed to be a lifter. For what it costs to rebuild one of these properly it's worth taking the cheap option first, i.e putting 3 new tappets into the area the noise is coming from. They're not hard to do - TDC the engine, cam cover and front timing cover off and scribe/paint mark the cam to sprocket. Remove the chain tensioner and slacken the 10mm sprocket bolts. This is where it can get lively; you need a mate to hold the sprocket in place whilst you remove the four bolts - stuff a load of clean rag down the front of the timing case to stop that dropped bolt going into the engine.
At the speed of light, evenly slacken the cam carrier nuts so the cam is lifted evenly - if you just start at one end, the cam may well fracture under stress. Lift the cam out, lift out the three followers you want to replace and press the new ones in - you should leave them overnight in oil as well. Then reassemble it, but make sure you clean the camshaft threaded holes AND the four sprocket bolts in carb cleaner, give them a dab of goodly threadlock and do them finger tight for now. Refit the tensioner and you'll see the sprocket move on the cam. Now, you should really use the proper locking tool for the cam but I've always used a dab of paint and done it by eye. Line the paint marks up and torque them to 10nm (M6 bolts) or 15nm (M7). Don't 'do it up' with a ratchet.
The main weak point of the E30 iS engine is the chain idler gear above and to the left of the crank sprocket. The retaining through bolt is known to snap, chain comes off etc. The E36 cured this with a simple nylon slipper guide. Actually doing an M42/44 chain swap is a reasonable job but it takes longer than 4 hours - nearer to 6. The first biggie is getting the crank bolt out and even with the special BMW tool that bolts to the crank and rests against the o/s chassis let it can be a real bastard. Ultimately though, not much harder than an M10 chain.
After 108'000 my chain seemed unworn as were the sprockets which were perfect for re-use - I had a load of new bits 'in stock' so I changed them anyway.
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