325i question

[Tyson]

How many valves does it have?Or is this a silly question and are there several versions?

[ed325i]

2 per cylinder.

[e30bmlover]

the m20b25 has 6 cylinders, 12 valves

2 per cylinder.

[Davenotouring]

In the E30 - one version, the M20

[Tyson]

thanks guys

[Tyson]

Another question regarding the m20 motor.My best friend has a Vw golf 2 gti (16valve-136hp).He has difficulties with me switching from our vw concept into an e30 but i can't help it.Fell in love with the e30 and this zone just made it worse ..My question to you all was if i will be able to beat him at a sprint cause he is trying everything to convince me not to buy an e30 cause they are heavier than our vw's and i won't be able to kill him at a sprint.I just want confirmation that i will do so cause he's pissing me off ..I have only driven a 325 auto but wasn't very impressed with it maybe cause i'm not used to driving an automatic.Give me nasty m20 feedback please

Peace

[wullie325i]

hi

a good 325i will smoke a golf off the lights no problem.

[zaust]

I wouldn't even waste my petrol on a gti (git)....lol

[Davenotouring]

I'd be suprised if you disposed of a 16v GTi easily. Very suprised.

[Splondike]

Another question regarding the m20 motor.My best friend has a Vw golf 2 gti (16valve-136hp).He has difficulties with me switching from our vw concept into an e30 but i can't help it.Fell in love with the e30 and this zone just made it worse ..My question to you all was if i will be able to beat him at a sprint cause he is trying everything to convince me not to buy an e30 cause they are heavier than our vw's and i won't be able to kill him at a sprint.I just want confirmation that i will do so cause he's pissing me off ..I have only driven a 325 auto but wasn't very impressed with it maybe cause i'm not used to driving an automatic.Give me nasty m20 feedback please

Peace

Biggest advantage away from the lights is putting the power down with the RWD, you will leave him fairly easily tbh.

[Splondike]

I'd be suprised if you disposed of a 16v GTi easily. Very suprised.

Depends how good a driver I guess.. but reason above is usually enough

[Tyson]

what you mean with the RWD?

[Davenotouring]

I'm not so sure the RWD/FWD argument is justified.

Had a bit of a play with Karan at Ace in his 327i and my (FWD) Civic and in some instances I got off the line quicker.

If I'm totally honest, I think a 16v Golf would be quicker than a 325.

[Davenotouring]

Rear Wheel Drive.

[Fushion_Julz]

Initial sprint from a standing start to around 30/40mph is down to power to weight ratio...

Dunno how much a Golf 2 weighs, but it would have to be seriously light to make 136bhp sound appealing...
The 2dr saloon 325i without too much "equipment" weighs in around 1300Kg but puts out about 170bhp...that's about 130bhp/tonne

After 40ish, the power takes over and the vehicle with the most power will start to benefit....Again the 325i has more power so should be better than the golf in this area...

However, the other factors to take into account are: traction...will the fwd of the golf put the 136bhp down better than the rwd BMW uses 170bhp? Then, also, what is the gearing like? If 1st is very short (to enable a very fast start), but 2nd is geared for just over 60mph (or whatever your sprint is to) then that car will have an advantage over either a tall first and/or the need for a 2nd/3rd shift before the terminal velocity...
Furthermore, what are the drivers' skills in actually getting the car off the line?

[orangecurry]

now lads - we saw a thread earlier saying how nice the E30zone is.. so why 'spit' on Golfs?

I have a mk1 GTi, and I'd keep it over my 325 every single day of the week.

I've owned 2 8v mk2 GTis, and a 16v mk2.

The 16v mk2 will leave a 325 off the lights; the 325 might catch it up on a race track, but I doubt it.

FORGET MY OPINION though - do any of you read EVO magazine? They are professionals, and they give the mk2 16v 5 stars in their car 'knowledge' ratings, as best a rating as they give. The E30 325 isn't even mentioned - (the E30 M3 is, and they give that 5 stars as well)

we all love the E30 dearly, but c'mon

[Splondike]

Furthermore, what are the drivers' skills in actually getting the car off the line?

Oh jeez, what did I say...

Anyway, in terms of driver skill it's quite simple really, good take offs take a little practice, alot of young chavs will give it 5000rpm and sit in a cloud of smoke without moving...or fcuk up the change from 1st to second, second to third etc. I can remember (some time ago) wasting XR2s with 2200 Auto Princess off the line simply because it was an auto and you could just plant your foot and go - no way was it a faster car

By the way I love Gold GTIs too, used to frequent GTI internationals regularly when I had mine

[Davenotouring]

Fashion...

Alot more skills than you think mate.

I always refer to this and it's probably getting boring, but have you been to Santa Pod and seen how times are the ultimate factor in getting a decent 1/4 mile.

[Davenotouring]

By the way I love Gold GTIs too, used to frequent GTI internationals regularly when I had mine

I really like the Grey ones, but Gold ones are ok.

[Splondike]

By the way I love Gold GTIs too, used to frequent GTI internationals regularly when I had mine

I really like the Grey ones, but Gold ones are ok.

Tornado red mine was

[Tyson]

pff..now everyone is contradicting eachother .. I'm confused

[Splondike]

pff..now everyone is contradicting eachother .. I'm confused

Just get one and race him, then report back

[Davenotouring]

Basically Tyson, it'd be a close race. I think the weights/powers will equal out and they'll be similar.

[orangecurry]

pff..now everyone is contradicting eachother .. I'm confused

that's because you are asking if a VW will beat an E30... on an E30 forum.

Sorry mate - I've owned both cars, and you'll lose

[Splondike]

pff..now everyone is contradicting eachother .. I'm confused

that's because you are asking if a VW will beat an E30... on an E30 forum.

Sorry mate - I've owned both cars, and you'll lose

Depends how far it is to the next set of lights, or a bend or......

[Fushion_Julz]

now lads - we saw a thread earlier saying how nice the E30zone is.. so why 'spit' on Golfs?

I have a mk1 GTi, and I'd keep it over my 325 every single day of the week.

I've owned 2 8v mk2 GTis, and a 16v mk2.

The 16v mk2 will leave a 325 off the lights; the 325 might catch it up on a race track, but I doubt it.

FORGET MY OPINION though - do any of you read EVO magazine? They are professionals, and they give the mk2 16v 5 stars in their car 'knowledge' ratings, as best a rating as they give. The E30 325 isn't even mentioned - (the E30 M3 is, and they give that 5 stars as well)

we all love the E30 dearly, but c'mon

I used to have a Mk1 GTI golf...It was fast enough, but I suspect that the 325 is, ultimately, the faster car...It ought to be , too...it has a bigger engine, more torque and more power as well as being RWD.
cross-country on b-roads it may be a close run thing...perhaps even a golf winner, but in a straight line...

However, I also have an E30 M3...and my 325i produces 190bhp at the flywheel (but is a 4dr shell)...The M3 is a 195bhp car (not tested, but I reckon it is about "on the money" in power terms)
I reckon that 0-60 there is nothing to choose between the two cars....
The M3 is faster by far when you wind it up...It is better geared for sprints, for a start...but low down suffers from a lack of torque...

Again, real world, day-to-day driving there is little to choose on a motorway....On b-roads, the M3 would be faster mostly because of the far superior handling and roadholding, though....

[Davenotouring]

I think it totally depends on the drivers, because they are pretty evenly matched.

I'd like to see the two battle it out on track.

[Splondike]

I think it totally depends on the drivers, because they are pretty evenly matched.

I'd like to see the two battle it out on track.

Absolutely agree mate

[orangecurry]

sure we could throw in something that would make the E30 win, if that makes you feel better....

how about 9 times out of 10 the E30 will lose? Agree with that?

[Tyson]

ok i'll just leave it with that.Thanks for the comments and respect for not talking **** on vw's even though this is an e30 forum ..

[orangecurry]

now lads - we saw a thread earlier saying how nice the E30zone is.. so why 'spit' on Golfs?

I have a mk1 GTi, and I'd keep it over my 325 every single day of the week.

I've owned 2 8v mk2 GTis, and a 16v mk2.

The 16v mk2 will leave a 325 off the lights; the 325 might catch it up on a race track, but I doubt it.

FORGET MY OPINION though - do any of you read EVO magazine? They are professionals, and they give the mk2 16v 5 stars in their car 'knowledge' ratings, as best a rating as they give. The E30 325 isn't even mentioned - (the E30 M3 is, and they give that 5 stars as well)

we all love the E30 dearly, but c'mon

I used to have a Mk1 GTI golf...It was fast enough, but I suspect that the 325 is, ultimately, the faster car...It ought to be , too...it has a bigger engine, more torque and more power as well as being RWD.
cross-country on b-roads it may be a close run thing...perhaps even a golf winner, but in a straight line...

However, I also have an E30 M3...and my 325i produces 190bhp at the flywheel (but is a 4dr shell)...The M3 is a 195bhp car (not tested, but I reckon it is about "on the money" in power terms)
I reckon that 0-60 there is nothing to choose between the two cars....
The M3 is faster by far when you wind it up...It is better geared for sprints, for a start...but low down suffers from a lack of torque...

Again, real world, day-to-day driving there is little to choose on a motorway....On b-roads, the M3 would be faster mostly because of the far superior handling and roadholding, though....

whoooah there

I said a mk2 16v is faster than a 325, not a mk1 gti; 325 is definately faster than a mk1.

We can argue about this all day, so I'd love to see them both on a track too.

Who's got a mk2, a 325, and a race track?

and where did the M3 come from? That's a different car - a race car for the road, which is why EVO rate them so highly.

[Splondike]

sure we could throw in something that would make the E30 win, if that makes you feel better....

how about 9 times out of 10 the E30 will lose? Agree with that?

I'll just go on a valver hunt in the Sport see how it goes...

I driven/owned both and in my "humble" opinion it would be very close, but I still think it is easier to get a good take off with rwd and that shades it for the beemer. Although I am talking about a 325i that makes 170bhp plus like the ones I am familiar with driving, not a shagged out old dog. Which of course is yet another "factor".

So no I don't agree

[Tyson]

does a cab or a sport make a huge difference in weight?

[Davenotouring]

There are race tracks all round the country!

We need to find a willing standard 325i owner and a willing standard Golf GTi 16v owner!

[orangecurry]

There are race tracks all round the country!

We need to find a willing standard 325i owner and a willing standard Golf GTi 16v owner!

I'll supply the 325i