200bhp+

[burgoil]

nice one matey...im a steady eddie driver my self. can only do 56mph in my lorry so 80 seems really quick,

. catch up with ya at next meet

steve

[Jhonno]

An M50 can see off/match a lot of cars also.. With better handling and its bolt in, except the manifold

[Rav335uk]

No probs steve, good meeting ya.

M50 are nice engines, but they do need more work then the m30 though, that ones a straight bolt in

[Jhonno]

No they don't!! The manifold is the only thing that needs modding, uses standard BMW mounts and everything

[d6dph]

Dan, When you selling your engine conversion and how much

[Rav335uk]

Calm down jhonno, only an opinion as i personally haven't done one yet.
The m30 just seemed easy to me, so just going of experience mate

[Jhonno]

Calm down jhonno, only an opinion as i personally haven't done one yet.
The m30 just seemed easy to me, so just going of experience mate

I am calm, but you are passing comment on something you've never done, or looked into from the sound of it!

M50 is a piece of p**s conversion, that only requires a modded manifold to fit, or a modded steering coupling. You use all BMW parts to fit it even

Don't get me wrong, B35 swap is pretty epic, but I'd rather an M50 personally

[Jhonno]

Dave I'll call you about the M50..

[daimlerman]

200bhp from an M20 will require a capacity increase with all the associated costs.180bhp will cost about £1500,each 10bhp thereafter an additional £1000.M50 conversion looks straightforward on paper,but just look at the problems that ordinary zoners like myself and E30beemerlad are encountering with our swaps. There are two difficult areas on this swap,one is sorting the engine loom to suit the E30 and the other is the exhaust manifold/downpipe. Remember that the M50 cylinder head is not only wider,but the engine sits at a different angle so no standard exhaust downpipe fits without mods,similar story to the manifold,front is not too difficult but the rear needs considerable work.To produce a working system that will pass a noise test and flow reasonabley well you need to be a far better welder than I am,worth thinking about... costwise,my E34 donor was £350,but of couse that is only the start,you need to be budgeting maybe £1000 or more,depending on how much you have to farm out.

[Morat]

so all cabs and tourings have 51mm struts

..... and disc,s all round Alex. Think that includes the 316 tourer, but someone will quickly correct me if i,m wrong no doubt.

i knew they had discs all around but i thought 4 pot tourings still had the smaller struts

I think they have the 51mm struts but you'll still have to change the springs if you're doing from 4 pot to 6...

[Jhonno]

M50 conversion looks straightforward on paper,but just look at the problems that ordinary zoners like myself and E30beemerlad are encountering with our swaps. There are two difficult areas on this swap,one is sorting the engine loom to suit the E30 and the other is the exhaust manifold/downpipe. Remember that the M50 cylinder head is not only wider,but the engine sits at a different angle so no standard exhaust downpipe fits without mods,similar story to the manifold,front is not too difficult but the rear needs considerable work.To produce a working system that will pass a noise test and flow reasonabley well you need to be a far better welder than I am,worth thinking about... costwise,my E34 donor was £350,but of couse that is only the start,you need to be budgeting maybe £1000 or more,depending on how much you have to farm out.

It is straight forward though, wiring is a piece of proverbial, I had mine done in less than 45 mins having never done an M50 before

Lee is dragging his feet with his, you have complicated matters by going for a left hooker.. It wouldn't be expensive or hard to take the car to a custom exhaust place to get the manifold sorted, if you can't do it yourself

[UweM3]

All to do with taxes in Germany I think Alex. The 328 was only 1 hp more than the 325 I seem to remember.

Not tax, insurance groups are in BHP.

[citizensnips]

m60/62, its all about the torque, way over 200bhp before you think about doing anything to the engine

[GrindCulture]

m60/62, its all about the torque, way over 200bhp before you think about doing anything to the engine

The V8's are awesome motors but dropping them in an E30 isn't cheap. Check out all the bits and work needed for Jonsku's beautiful V8 cabbie.

[Bob_S]

200bhp from an M20 will require a capacity increase with all the associated costs.180bhp will cost about £1500,each 10bhp thereafter an additional £1000.M50 conversion looks straightforward on paper,but just look at the problems that ordinary zoners like myself and E30beemerlad are encountering with our swaps. There are two difficult areas on this swap,one is sorting the engine loom to suit the E30 and the other is the exhaust manifold/downpipe. Remember that the M50 cylinder head is not only wider,but the engine sits at a different angle so no standard exhaust downpipe fits without mods,similar story to the manifold,front is not too difficult but the rear needs considerable work.To produce a working system that will pass a noise test and flow reasonabley well you need to be a far better welder than I am,worth thinking about... costwise,my E34 donor was £350,but of couse that is only the start,you need to be budgeting maybe £1000 or more,depending on how much you have to farm out.

Like Jhonno said you've over complicated it with the lhd problem.
I managed mine in 2 days 2.7 out m50 in and out and about sunday night.
it's all BMW stuff too. none of this aftermarket mounts etc and I doubt it would be far if at all behind your heavily laden m30 rav..
and with a pair of schrick cams in, it'll fly!

[citizensnips]

m60/62, its all about the torque, way over 200bhp before you think about doing anything to the engine

The V8's are awesome motors but dropping them in an E30 isn't cheap. Check out all the bits and work needed for Jonsku's beautiful V8 cabbie.

i'm doing one myself, m60 sat on workshop floor at moment, i'm somewhat behind jonsku as i'm welding on new sills and rear arches and rear corners and inumerable patches. its not cheap but i love v8's

[DanThe]

The E36 your cams came out of was dyno'd at 225hp according to the guy who sold us the bits Bob, cams, Unichip, BBTB and some hottuning manifolds, de-cat also I think

[SM AUTOS]

Hi Dominic

Nice to speak to you on the phone earlier, although I'm sure I confused you more then ever

Reading alot of the posts on here alot of people seem to be advising going the M50 route, I'm not going to say I told you so It may be worth you reading the M50 sticky to see whats involved, and give me a ring when your ready for a test drive

For useable power I don't think your going to beat it to be honest, but as with all things power costs money. Many options to weigh up though and it's hard to say what is right for you, at the end of the day it is down to personal choice and budget.

[JazzMan]

All to do with taxes in Germany I think Alex. The 328 was only 1 hp more than the 325 I seem to remember.

yer the 325i was 192 and the 328i is 193, i think

im guessing there is no difference between an e36 328i and 325i then

There is when you bolt an M50 2.5 manifold on to the 2.8; instant 220bhp + remap to around 240bhp

[Alex]

easy power

[Flozman]

whats the going rate for the M50 conversion? i just dont have any place to do it myself!

[Jhonno]

Depends who does it..

[Jon-L]

All to do with taxes in Germany I think Alex. The 328 was only 1 hp more than the 325 I seem to remember.

yer the 325i was 192 and the 328i is 193, i think

im guessing there is no difference between an e36 328i and 325i then

There is when you bolt an M50 2.5 manifold on to the 2.8; instant 220bhp + remap to around 240bhp

The 328 may only have 1bhp more than the 2.5 but has more torqe 206Ibft compared to the 2.5's 184Ibft and as Jazman said if you fit the m50 manifold on the 2.8 and mapped 240bhp is available and alot more torqe

[burgoil]

whats the going rate for the M50 conversion? i just dont have any place to do it myself!

1200 quid fitted...if you provide the doner car

[Rav335uk]

whats the going rate for the M50 conversion? i just dont have any place to do it myself!

1200 quid fitted...if you provide the doner car

How much?????????????????

[Alex]

someone told me it cost £500 if you do it yourself

[burgoil]

whats the going rate for the M50 conversion? i just dont have any place to do it myself!

1200 quid fitted...if you provide the doner car

How much?????????????????

depends how much he wants it doing if he cant do it...includes remap to 200bhp+

[Rav335uk]

Still going down the m30 route, even for the e21, easier and cheaper

[bss325i]

It seems no one wants to give the M20 route a chance anymore, well not many people anyway.

[bss325i]

200bhp from an M20 will require a capacity increase with all the associated costs.180bhp will cost about £1500

I would say 200bhp is possible without touching the bottom end.

Arguments aside, i got 185bhp and 190lbft from only a £650 manifold and £400 exhaust but to be honest i dont think the exhaust is much of an improvement over a standard one power wise.

[Rav335uk]

The M20 route is fine if you've got money to spend, but for less you have got more cc's and torque without the stress on the engine, i think that sounds right

[Alex]

200bhp from an M20 will require a capacity increase with all the associated costs.180bhp will cost about £1500

I would say 200bhp is possible without touching the bottom end.

Arguments aside, i got 185bhp and 190lbft from only a £650 manifold and £400 exhaust but to be honest i dont think the exhaust is much of an improvement over a standard one power wise.

seems like a good gain better than the hottuning ones, what power was it pushing out before, or dont you know

[Rav335uk]

200bhp from an M20 will require a capacity increase with all the associated costs.180bhp will cost about £1500

I would say 200bhp is possible without touching the bottom end.

Arguments aside, i got 185bhp and 190lbft from only a £650 manifold and £400 exhaust but to be honest i dont think the exhaust is much of an improvement over a standard one power wise.

Well theres £1050 and as i said earlier, its still chaper to get and install a m30

[GrindCulture]

It seems no one wants to give the M20 route a chance anymore, well not many people anyway.

Welcome to 4 pot land!

[Alex]

the sound of a 4 pot