Info on 4.4 V8 into E30

[Batch]

Found some info about the e34 540 biturbo i mentioned some posts ago:
It has 492 hp, 680 nm of torque, does 1/4 mile in 12,04 seconds and does 267km/h in one mile from standing start. Dunno if the power is on wheels or on flywheel, soon i'll find out - chatting to the friend of the owner at the mo.

[astondg]

The P8 pro is really good, has programmable slip so you can allow it to slip by a certain percentage and then not any more, and it can handle 4 wheel sensor inputs so it works on corners too, although most people just tend to do it with 2 wheels for straightline use
when it has 4 sensors i assume it takes the average of front versus back but i dont know that for certain.

will know more when i play with mine as ive only driven a couple of cars with it using TC and i didnt set them up.

I'll be intested to hear how it goes.

More on topic: I am going to start looking around for a 3 or 3.5L V8 and I'll try to find out how expensive & hard they are to modify for more power and rpm. Unfortunately I doubt I am going to get anywhere near a Ferrari like 8000->8500rpm but maybe 7000->7500rpm might sound ok and be possible? They should have enough power to make my fairly light 323i move along ok.

Aston

[chip-3door]

do you mean a rover v8?

if so, getting them to rev is all in the head, the bore/stroke ratio is perfect for revs as stnadard, but the head doesnt breathe well and the cam is a bit lame on all but the SD1

[Chaos]

do you mean a rover v8?

if so, getting them to rev is all in the head, the bore/stroke ratio is perfect for revs as stnadard, but the head doesnt breathe well and the cam is a bit lame on all but the SD1

he probably means an M60/62 from a 5 or 7 series chip.

[Batch]

Here is the tech info on that biturbo v8. It's in estonian language, i don't understand a word too.
http://www.hot.ee/mdslankora/tutvustus.htm

[Andy335Touring]

2160kgs for a 540 !!??

[Batch]

2160kgs for a 540 !!??

Maybe with four really fat guys in there Actually dunno, because I don't understand a word in Estonian, it's completely different from Latvian.

[Pilsbury]

Just to clear a few things up (I've had a few V8 5's and 7's).

Nikasil issues only affect a small amount of M60 engines (that's the 3.0 and the 4.0), apparently mostly in the North-East of England. Most of the ones with problems will have had the engine replaced under warranty, if it's still running now, it'll be fine.
The 3.5, 4.4, 4.6 (as used in the X5 4.6iS and based on the Alpina engine) and 4.8 (550/650/750/X5 4.8iS - again based on an Alpina engine) are all M62 engines and Alusil. The V8 M5 engine is closely related to these engines as well, sharing some parts.

As regards manual gearboxes:
The 3.0 and 3.5 engines were available with a 5-speed box
The 4.0 and 4.4 were available with the corresponding M5 6-speed box. These are reasonably rare with manual boxes, probably most common is the E39 540, most rare is the E38 740 - there were only a handful made (The car in 'The Transporter' being one)

Edit:
An E39 540 as standard weighs 1700kg or so...

[pacerpete]

The nikasil issue affected 3.0 and 4.0 M60 V8s nationwide and in europe and in asia, the u.s and in aus, cars are STILL dying so buy an engine or a car with this engine with extreme caution, unless you want an expensive boat anchor !

[Pilsbury]

What causes the Ԛ“Nikasil issueԚâ€a?

In short, high sulphur fuel. Contrary to popular belief, the Ԛ“Nikasil issueԚâ€a does not only affect the USA. It is potentially in existence in all countries, but is a particular problem in the UK and the US. It would appear that Nikasil-lined blocks were not tested with fuels that had a high sulphur content, which was unfortunate because the chemical reaction between the sulphur in the fuel and the nickel lining in the block which damaged the hard nickel lining. Once the lining is damaged, excessive bore wear of the soft underlying alloy occurs very quickly. Some Nikasil engines have failed in as little as 30,000 miles.

Fuel high in sulphur was imported into the UK and (apparently in very small amounts only) into continental Europe. The problems occurred first with cheap (supermarket) fuel in the north west of the UK, although in time the whole of the UK was affected - and it was no longer just supermarket petrol that was causing problems. Having said which a vehicle run only on good quality fuel which was low in sulphur would not have problems, but there was no way the consumer could know which fuel to buy. There do appear to be quite a few Nikasil-engined vehicles which, either through luck in the fuel used or some other mysterious reason, appear to be absolutely fine even after very large mileages.

Continental Europe (through essentially not getting high sulphur fuel) appears to be largely unaffected by the Nikasil problem: it would appear that they did not suffer from imports of high sulphur fuel. I have not heard of any problems with Nikasil cars on the Continent, nor have I found any reference to any difficulties.

Lots of info at: http://www.e34v8.co.uk/nikasil.htm

[astondg]

most rare is the E38 740 - there were only a handful made (The car in 'The Transporter' being one)

According to 'The Transporter' DVD that car was a V12 and the only V12 manual ever made. It definately sounds like a V12. In the movie someone does call it a 740 but I think that must be a mistake?

I did mean the S60/62 and not the Rover engine.

Is the 6 speed sealed like the E36 6 speed? If it is and I get one of these engines I might look at another gearbox and use an adapter plate. I have been told the Supra 6 speed is a good gearbox (and fairly strong) so I was thinking something like that but I would have to research it more before I decided.

Aston

[glenn]

I did mean the S60/62 and not the Rover engine.

Is the 6 speed sealed like the E36 6 speed?

the six speed on my s62 is a 'sealed for life' unit
although there is a removable plug where you could change the oil if you wished.

[DieselMeister]

Statham's car in the Trasnsporter is a 735 manual. God knows why, but it is.

Worst car / engine combo ever. He'd have been better off walking.

[astondg]

Statham's car in the Trasnsporter is a 735 manual. God knows why, but it is.

Worst car / engine combo ever. He'd have been better off walking.

That is what Statham's character says in the movie I think but on the DVD commentary they definately say it is the only V12 manual ever made. I have the DVD here and I have just watched that part again, it is at the start while watching the first chase.

Aston

[Kos]

do you mean a rover v8?

if so, getting them to rev is all in the head, the bore/stroke ratio is perfect for revs as stnadard, but the head doesnt breathe well and the cam is a bit lame on all but the SD1

tvr flat plane crank makes them very rev happy.

[Pilsbury]

The car in The Transporter is definitely a V8 - it's has the V8 exhaust system on it for certain. Of course there may be more than 1 car used, but, the one in all the close-up shots is a V8.

[DieselMeister]

The car in The Transporter is definitely a V8 - it's has the V8 exhaust system on it for certain. Of course there may be more than 1 car used, but, the one in all the close-up shots is a V8.

I'm sure the badge says 735. What makes me laugh is the bit where Statham and the Cop are stroking it together, talking up the 735 as some sort of Uber-wagon. It's the worst 7 series model by far - you'd be smarter getting a 728/730 six or skipping straight to the "proper" 4.4l V8.

I hear that the car used was apparently a V12. But then the badging and dialogue are all wrong if that's the case. A seven series with less than 4.0 litres isn't anything to get excited about - better than the equivalent luxo-barge from other makes but not really in the prope(llo)r spirit imo.

[Geoff]

Getting back to the topic...

My old man used to race a hybrid Mazda Chevrolet, with Formula 5000 (5ltr) V8. Corillo rods, steel crank and a load of other bits on it, and that made 450bhp on IDA webbers, and used to top 8k....that was 1976.

Personally id stick a small block chevy in the e30. Very tunable, parts are everywhere, especially the us and they are reliable. In fact its probably the most used engine in the USA and how many miles do those beasts clock up?

I got in a cab in chicago in november just gone, it had 378,000!!!

[CGL325i]

The M60/62 is a sweet engine allright. I have been idly musing over this conversion for a while. As far as I can make out the main problems associated with the swap are as follows:

- The sump gets in the way of the steering rack. All non-M5 BMW V8's use a recirculating ball steering box mechanism for this reason. The E30 conversions I have seen involve dropping the rack 20-30mm to increase clearance. I guess dry sumping the engine would be an option, but this type of thing quickly adds up to big Ԛ£Ã”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£
- Brake system needs to be totally redesigned. Booster and brake hydraulics routing need to be re-positioned.
- Engine mounts need to be custom made. Apparently mounts from the E36 Alpina B8 4.6 can be used.... if you are prepared to pay them around Ԛ£500 for the hardware
- Exhaust Manifolds need to be custom made. No OEM manifolds will fit in the E30 engine bay.

Apart from the above (not insurmountable) problems, apparently the engine slots in nicely. It is shorter than an M20 and there is plenty of room between the strut towers for the heads - it also weighs around the same as an M20.

I think the one to go for is the M60 4.0. The 3.0 produces around the same figures as an M30 would not be worth the extra effort of installation. The M62 4.4 would be nice, but it has VANOS systems that will seriously increase the complexity of wiring etc. I'm not sure, but I think that for a short period in 96/97 BMW made an M60 4.4 non-VANOS, so if that is the case then I guess this would be the one to look for.

By the way - you can get off the shelf supercharger kits for this engine from the states for an easy 415hp and 550nm...... nice

[glenn]

The M60/62 is a sweet engine allright. I have been idly musing over this conversion for a while. As far as I can make out the main problems associated with the swap are as follows:

- The sump gets in the way of the steering rack. All non-M5 BMW V8's use a recirculating ball steering box mechanism for this reason. The E30 conversions I have seen involve dropping the rack 20-30mm to increase clearance. I guess dry sumping the engine would be an option, but this type of thing quickly adds up to big Ԛ£Ã”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£
- Brake system needs to be totally redesigned. Booster and brake hydraulics routing need to be re-positioned.
- Engine mounts need to be custom made. Apparently mounts from the E36 Alpina B8 4.6 can be used.... if you are prepared to pay them around Ԛ£500 for the hardware
- Exhaust Manifolds need to be custom made. No OEM manifolds will fit in the E30 engine bay.

Apart from the above (not insurmountable) problems, apparently the engine slots in nicely. It is shorter than an M20 and there is plenty of room between the strut towers for the heads - it also weighs around the same as an M20.

I think the one to go for is the M60 4.0. The 3.0 produces around the same figures as an M30 would not be worth the extra effort of installation. The M62 4.4 would be nice, but it has VANOS systems that will seriously increase the complexity of wiring etc. I'm not sure, but I think that for a short period in 96/97 BMW made an M60 4.4 non-VANOS, so if that is the case then I guess this would be the one to look for.

By the way - you can get off the shelf supercharger kits for this engine from the states for an easy 415hp and 550nm...... nice

this conversion has allready been done, but with the S62 not the M62.
have a look here

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... pic&t=2882

[Batch]

m60b40 weights about 212kg but m20 around 175, and m30b35 215kg. So there is a difference between the weight of m20 and m60

[Yaninnya]

In estonia one guy has a bit modified e34 540i. I'll try to find out something more about his car

I know that this very old topic but maybe you know the latvian bloke which fited S62 engine (M5 E39) to grey M3 E30? I have feew questions to him. Can you help?
Cheers,
Jan

[Morat]

back OFF topic... what about a 2.5l Subaru engine? Is there a way to fit a flat four in an E30?
Lots of parts around, its pretty much the new cosworth (with more power from stock).
Has anyone done it or am I being stupid (again!)?

Morat

[maxfield]

I would of thought it was possible but you'd need a mastermind to do the electronics

[Morat]

good point, but apparently you can Megasquirt them which wouldn't necessarily make it simpler overall but would mean a well known interface between the engine and the vehicle....

[Yaninnya]

back OFF topic... what about a 2.5l Subaru engine? Is there a way to fit a flat four in an E30?

In theory everything is possible - in practice no. Subaru engine is too wide for E30 engine bay.

Has anyone done it or am I being stupid (again!)?
Morat

There is no stupid questins only stupid answers.
But it is
Jan

[Nefarious7907]

Back on Topic, AKG Motorsport has motor mounts for the M60/2 E30 conversion available for $300 US dollars

[Andyboy]

The M62 is there's one in my dads 840Ci. Must be an awesome engine to have in a very much ligher E30! The 840 is such a nice car to waft along in, its a bit of a lump on the back roads though!

Here's a sound/video clip: http://www.caraudioarchive.net/reposito ... xhaust.avi

Not P840DOP by any chance?? I sold my Orient blue one to a guy down your way.

[Gibson]

I Spent age looking for this thread... now i have found it im writing this so i can find it in my "view my posts section" sorry for the bump

[JazzMan]

The M62 is there's one in my dads 840Ci. Must be an awesome engine to have in a very much ligher E30! The 840 is such a nice car to waft along in, its a bit of a lump on the back roads though!

Here's a sound/video clip: http://www.caraudioarchive.net/reposito ... xhaust.avi

Not P840DOP by any chance?? I sold my Orient blue one to a guy down your way.

nah bcx

[Chuntington101]

bit off topic but didn't someone fit a 4.0 ltr V8 into a E30 and then Twin Turbo it?? it was a racer but it was in PPC mag a while ago. looked a lovely install with some really neat touches.

Cheers

Chris.

[e30_Turbo]

bit off topic but didn't someone fit a 4.0 ltr V8 into a E30 and then Twin Turbo it?? it was a racer but it was in PPC mag a while ago. looked a lovely install with some really neat touches.

Cheers

Chris.

Alex had his M20B25 twin turbo featured a few months back, not a V8 tho.

Mines only got the one, so wasn't me either.

I don't envy anyone trying to turbo a V8 in a e30, only one I've seen like it was a e30 V12 twin turbo.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Bmw- ... _99202.htm

Fozz

[glenn]

bit off topic but didn't someone fit a 4.0 ltr V8 into a E30 and then Twin Turbo it?? it was a racer but it was in PPC mag a while ago. looked a lovely install with some really neat touches.

Cheers

Chris.

you 'might' be thinking of the one clive did (prism motorsport), and that was a 5.0ltr tvr / rover hybrid, which now belongs to dips !

[oze30]

There is a twin turbo m60,



INSANE!!!

[JazzMan]

There is a twin turbo m60,



INSANE!!!

I think insane is a huge understatement!!