325 sport vs. sierra cosworth

[nickstoner]

e3o all the way lol thats what i recon

[e36boy]

e3o all the way lol thats what i recon

Integra type R is tickeling my fancy at the moment.

[78dude]

Ford Sierra Cosworth is magic, so easy is that! They make boring Fords looks like heros on the Race track and I would love to have an Cosworth one day....

[oakey]

I would never be seen dead in a sierra cossie! Proper cock's car!

[bss325i]

I would never be seen dead in a sierra cossie! Proper c**k's car!

Maybe. The reputation that has been created by many a cosworth owner isn't good but what we need to be doing is basing our judgements on the cars themselfs, not the the owners. Belive me there are plenty of cocks who drive E30's, alot of them on here!

Also a few cosworth owners the i have known/heard/read about have dabbled with E30 325's and M3's but have gone back to cosworths through sheer boredom of performance. Its to easy so to get big power from one and the addrenaline rush from quick turbo four is addictive.
You would need to drop at least £5000 to get 260 bhp, that is atainable with just a chip in a YB turbo. If you droped £5000 on a YB turbo you would be getting well over 400 bhp.
When you compare the basics of both cars they are't too dissimilar, both are RWD, both have semi trailing arm suspension, both the same weight and both a similar size, hell even seat trim seems to last better in fords of the period! (Ask andyboy, he wrote this once in a mag an i totaly agree!)
Having owned both equal amounts of both cars i would say i have a fair unbiased judgement of both cars but if i had to choose between the two it would be an E30.
I dont see what all the fuss about Fuzzy's car is, i think the use of a YB turbo in an E30 is a briliant conversion as long as a non sought after E30 is used for this type of conversion. All those 318's and 320's are prime examples

Imagine smoking a porsche turbo in a 450bhp bronzit beige 4dr 320i!

[oakey]

Barry^ Its mainly the fact that they are one of the ugliest cars ever! They look like they were designed by their knuckleheaded owners

Exception are the early 2doors in white. I dont mind this one:

[fuzzy]

i wouldnt say they are ugly cars. not the prettiest for sure but they wont make your eyeballs bleed .im one of the few that seems to prefer the saphire cosworth

[oakey]

i wouldnt say they are ugly cars. not the prettiest for sure but they wont make your eyeballs bleed .im one of the few that seems to prefer the saphire cosworth

Ugly as in bland, no style whatsoever- a clear lack of enthusiasm from the designers.

Yes there are what some would call uglier cars but its the cars in the middle that dont look good or bad that I despise.
To me its in the same class as a mondeo, passat, laguna etc

[fuzzy]

wasnt the sierra the first modern car to be mass produced in that aerodynamic jelly mould shape? everything before it seemed to be hard, sharped edged designs and that led on to evertyhing else going the same way for a good few years after it. i cant argue with bland, its one of the reasons i dont just buy a cosworth

[e36boy]

Saphire cossie in Magenta

I dont think saphire cosworths are ugly in the slightest..........Its all down to personal opinion i suppose, a Tech 1 sport might be seen as ugly by some people.

[fuzzy]

Saphire cossie in Magenta

my preference too.

[oakey]

Saphire cossie in Magenta

I dont think saphire cosworths are ugly in the slightest..........Its all down to personal opinion i suppose, a Tech 1 sport might be seen as ugly by some people.

Yes, but then that would be people with bast taste! Technically the e30 is a much more aesthetically pleasing motor vehicle without question.
There are certain rules/laws that make things look good. Certain colours go with certain colours, certain lines go with certain lines, proportion etc etc.

For example: You may like a dining room with green, red and brown walls with a chrome ceiling but it is not technically good looking. D'ya get me bredda?

[Speedtouch]

I'd love to try a Cossie of any description. Closest I've got is a Sierra XR4i with 2.8i Cologne V6 I borrowed off an Essex lad and it wasn't a bad drive (though I did feel a bit of a boy racer with all the bodykit, double rear wing, etc.), it wasn't as pleasant as a good E30 six pot, feeling somewhat 'thrown together' in comparison.

[wullie325i]

i wouldnt say they are ugly cars. not the prettiest for sure but they wont make your eyeballs bleed .im one of the few that seems to prefer the saphire cosworth

i prefer the sapphire cossie aswell but every one i see is a 4 door can you get a 2 door one?

[fuzzy]

whats regarded as good looking is purely a matter of personal taste or lack of it.

[Colonel Sanders]

ive had both the 2 door and the 4 door cosworth, an ive got to say, i had a lot more fun in my 2wd saphire, and it was alot nicer to dive.. but i did prefer the look of my 2 door.. i also dropped one of my spare cossie motors in a s1 rs turbo for a laugh... that was mental, used to take it traking and ramp it through bushes

[ShakeyC]

Yes, but then that would be people with bast taste! Technically the e30 is a much more aesthetically pleasing motor vehicle without question.
There are certain rules/laws that make things look good. Certain colours go with certain colours, certain lines go with certain lines, proportion etc etc.

Both can be applied to Sierra and E30, both have pleasing lines, proportions and forms and for colour schemes and remember these badboys are from the late 80's to early 90's since when does taste apply?

[nickstoner]

bmw have got so many points against the sierra on the looks side of things sierras look abit chavvy if you ask me fair ebuff you do get chav in beaten up e30s at the end of the day everyone has there own opinion at the end of the day mine is E30s for life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[e36boy]

Saphire cossie in Magenta

I dont think saphire cosworths are ugly in the slightest..........Its all down to personal opinion i suppose, a Tech 1 sport might be seen as ugly by some people.

Yes, but then that would be people with bast taste! Technically the e30 is a much more aesthetically pleasing motor vehicle without question.
There are certain rules/laws that make things look good. Certain colours go with certain colours, certain lines go with certain lines, proportion etc etc.

For example: You may like a dining room with green, red and brown walls with a chrome ceiling but it is not technically good looking. D'ya get me bredda?

To you its much more aesthetically pleasing but to someone who likes.............Erm..... cossies for example it wouldnt be, would it ?
It goes back to what i was saying about personal taste.

[fuzzy]

bmw have got so many points against the sierra on the look side of things sierras look abit chavvy if you ask me fair ebuff you do get chav in beaten up e30s at the end of the day everyone has there own oppinion at tthe end of the day mine is E30s for life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chavvy isnt the car itself though its what some of the owners have turned them into. theres much more to life than e30's. go out there and sample some of it first.

[e36boy]

Personally, i think the cosworth is much more of a cult car than a 325i sport..............They were the car that started the whole 'Super saloon thing' Way before Subaru, MItsubishi and Audi...........And even BMW

[mikekean]

audi actually released the audi quatro in 1980 thats 6 years before the cosworth was released.

[brettski]

what about the e28 m5 mate i think you'll find that was the first!

[bigbhpwannabe]

Personally, i think the cosworth is much more of a cult car than a 325i sport..............They were the car that started the whole 'Super saloon thing' Way before Subaru, MItsubishi and Audi...........And even BMW

i think that all fords have a great following not just cosworths , and as you say the sierra cosworth was one of the first super saloons , i have a 2wd sapph cossie , and think its great as when i was growing up they were the car that every other car was compared ,almost a benchmark of what a fast car was

[e36boy]

audi actually released the audi quatro in 1980 thats 6 years before the cosworth was released.

That was the 2 door one though wasnt it mukka !

[e36boy]

what about the e28 m5 mate i think you'll find that was the first!

Might have been the first not sure but ford were the ones to get the ball rolling

[junkman]

the e30 325i is a better car any day the ford is just a ford sierra with a 2 litre turbo lumpin it...

[oakey]

Saphire cossie in Magenta

I dont think saphire cosworths are ugly in the slightest..........Its all down to personal opinion i suppose, a Tech 1 sport might be seen as ugly by some people.

Yes, but then that would be people with bast taste! Technically the e30 is a much more aesthetically pleasing motor vehicle without question.
There are certain rules/laws that make things look good. Certain colours go with certain colours, certain lines go with certain lines, proportion etc etc.

For example: You may like a dining room with green, red and brown walls with a chrome ceiling but it is not technically good looking. D'ya get me bredda?

To you its much more aesthetically pleasing but to someone who likes.............Erm..... cossies for example it wouldnt be, would it ?
It goes back to what i was saying about personal taste.

You're right it wouldnt. But- that means they have no sense of "style" and whoever thinks that a sierra is a prettier car than a e30 is wrong!

[e36boy]

Yes, but then that would be people with bast taste! Technically the e30 is a much more aesthetically pleasing motor vehicle without question.
There are certain rules/laws that make things look good. Certain colours go with certain colours, certain lines go with certain lines, proportion etc etc.

For example: You may like a dining room with green, red and brown walls with a chrome ceiling but it is not technically good looking. D'ya get me bredda?

To you its much more aesthetically pleasing but to someone who likes.............Erm..... cossies for example it wouldnt be, would it ?
It goes back to what i was saying about personal taste.

You're right it wouldnt. But- that means they have no sense of "style" and whoever thinks that a sierra is a prettier car than a e30 is wrong!

Yes but you have got your e30 tinted glasses on and think the only car in the world worth having is an e30 sport

[fuzzy]

the e30 325i is a better car any day the ford is just a ford sierra with a 2 litre turbo lumpin it...

yep ,that about sums it up for sure but whats a sport? a 325i with a black headlining and a different ratio gearbox?

[oakey]

^ very true my friend
You seem to have a passion for the old sierra e36boy! Getting defensive? Are you 18 stone with a shaven head, loads of tats, gold chains and punch some faarking caarnt every friday?

There are MANY cars I think are better looking than the e30. The sierra is NOT one of them although there are some fords that are better looking without doubt.

[oakey]

the e30 325i is a better car any day the ford is just a ford sierra with a 2 litre turbo lumpin it...

yep ,that about sums it up for sure but whats a sport? a 325i with a black headlining and a different ratio gearbox?

Correct, but it's based on a far better looking car

[ShakeyC]

Lets be honest all the bmw, ford and audi of the era are all blown away by the nissan skyline r32 gtr which i think looks better, drives better and is most capable out the lot

[fuzzy]

the problem with jap cars from that era though is they are built with the crappiest thinnest steel and very bad for rusting. ive been there with the old jap stuff.

[e36boy]

^ very true my friend
You seem to have a passion for the old sierra e36boy! Getting defensive? Are you 18 stone with a shaven head, loads of tats, gold chains and punch some faarking caarnt every friday?

There are MANY cars I think are better looking than the e30. The sierra is NOT one of them although there are some fords that are better looking without doubt.

Im not getting defensive, I just find it funny when people like you get on there high horse and start ranting on about how there e30 is better than any other car in its class.

This is an e30 forum and im a fan of e30's but unlike some people, i give credit to other iconic cars of the same era as the e30.