E30 Zone

My wife has a Nissan Patrol GR 3.0 Di Turbo.

Its been off the road for at least 3 years now. Originally (I think, I wasn't about at the time) it had a new clutch fitted, she drove it for about a month and it failed again, so we're led to believe (assume) that's its the dual mass flywheel that has failed. The engine just doesn't bite at all when you engage the clutch.

These flywheels are expensive on their own without the labour cost included. I think I checked on ECP a while back and its about £1500.

A friend of a friend said he could source one for about £900 and could even fit it for £1200 all in. However would there be more costs, do you think the new clutch fitted will still be okay?

I'm just weighing out the options. But to be honest I think we may sell it as it is. So really I'm asking what sort of price should I be trying to get for it?

I haven't got all the paper work currently, but can get more info up later, just wanted to see what peoples thoughts were really.

Its got just under 121'500 miles on the clock..

I nabbed these photos off my brother in law they're not the best, but they provide some visual aid..

Many thanks, Greg.

Doesn't sound like a dual mass fault when you say the engine doesn't bite at all. I've never come across a complete dual mass failure. I've only ever know them to knock and rattle the car to bits.

maxfield wrote:Doesn't sound like a dual mass fault when you say the engine doesn't bite at all. I've never come across a complete dual mass failure. I've only ever know them to knock and rattle the car to bits.

Do you know what else it might be then? The chap that suggested is an agricultural mechanic but usually his knowledge is pretty sound. Not sure if he replaced the clutch or not.

Have you checked the hydraulics. I would think this would be a hydraic system and if the slave or master is goosed then the clutch wouldn't disengage.

G-Bear wrote:

maxfield wrote:Doesn't sound like a dual mass fault when you say the engine doesn't bite at all. I've never come across a complete dual mass failure. I've only ever know them to knock and rattle the car to bits.

Do you know what else it might be then? The chap that suggested is an agricultural mechanic but usually his knowledge is pretty sound. Not sure if he replaced the clutch or not.

When you say doesn't engage at all, you mean you can get it in first let the clutch out and nothing?

Could be a faulty clutch and the friction material has fell of the plate. Ideally wants the gearbox out for prowpr diagnostics.

It doesn't feel like a hydraulics issue as I can push the pedal down and it releases okay. But shall check all the same.

From what I can remember ( I haven't tried driving it for over a year), I would put it into first and lift the clutch pedal and the car would pull forwards ever so slightly, but not enough to get it moving, I think it worked in reverse for a bit, but after a while completely gave up all together.

I'll get a battery in it and try again to refresh my memory..

If you've got a good pedal and you can get it into gear, it isn't likely to be hydraulic.

The guy that said it maybe the dual mass, was he the one that fitted the clutch?

maxfield wrote:
The guy that said it maybe the dual mass, was he the one that fitted the clutch?

No, its all quite convoluted.. I just spoke to my wife.

The clutch was replaced by another mechanic, her Dad organised it. She said after it was fixed, it always had a high biting point (in her words "you really had to rev it to get it going") and then it deteriorated to how it is now. Sadly it got pushed to one side and they never chased it up with the garage.

Could it be that the clutch was never adjusted properly at the pedal, and now it is likely to have failed because of it? My knowledge for clutches is patchy and only really every related to E30's.

Well its worth about £3000 give or take in working condition so you have to weigh up if its even worth repairing or just cut your losses and sell it spares or repairs for around £1500+

Also bear in mind new reg plate comes out in September which means its going to take a big hit in deprecation any time soon

Cheers pac

pac1982 wrote:
Also bear in mind new reg plate comes out in September which means its going to take a big hit in deprecation any time soon

Wow does that really have a big effect on resale? Just one more year?

G-Bear wrote:Cheers pac

pac1982 wrote:
Also bear in mind new reg plate comes out in September which means its going to take a big hit in deprecation any time soon

Wow does that really have a big effect on resale? Just one more year?

reg change is one of the key times of year for depreciation

G-Bear wrote:

maxfield wrote:
The guy that said it maybe the dual mass, was he the one that fitted the clutch?

No, its all quite convoluted.. I just spoke to my wife.

The clutch was replaced by another mechanic, her Dad organised it. She said after it was fixed, it always had a high biting point (in her words "you really had to rev it to get it going") and then it deteriorated to how it is now. Sadly it got pushed to one side and they never chased it up with the garage.

Could it be that the clutch was never adjusted properly at the pedal, and now it is likely to have failed because of it? My knowledge for clutches is patchy and only really every related to E30's.

Hydraulic clutches can't be adjusted. Which according to the ECP site it is hydraulic if you put the reg in.

Go start it up and let us know of the findings.

pac1982 wrote:

G-Bear wrote:Cheers pac

pac1982 wrote:
Also bear in mind new reg plate comes out in September which means its going to take a big hit in deprecation any time soon

Wow does that really have a big effect on resale? Just one more year?

reg change is one of the key times of year for depreciation

Excuse the expression but its an old shit heap. I don't think I would be concerned about a new plate causing depreciation!

Jon_Bmw wrote:

pac1982 wrote:

G-Bear wrote:Cheers pac
Wow does that really have a big effect on resale? Just one more year?

reg change is one of the key times of year for depreciation

Excuse the expression but its an old shit heap. I don't think I would be concerned about a new plate causing depreciation!

and you would be wrong, anything that's not reached the bottom of the barrel yet will still suffer depreciation this cars still got about 2k to loose before its bottom of the barrel

FFS pac ! all of them years serving Kias to tatted Motability types has f0000ked your brain !

Another few months will make diddly squat difference to the value of a 12 year old Patrol. Indeed, if we get some snow, it will be worth quite a bit more several months down the road.


As removing the box on one of these is a languagefest and all of the bits are pricey, I would be putting it on ebay as it is. Tell them that it has a clutch / gearbox issue and unless they are Paul Daniels, they won't be driving it away.
It will make more than you will net if you fix it /MOT it etc and then sell.
I am pretty certain these are good news for export , even though the 3.0 has a rather dire reputation.

pacerpete wrote:FFS pac ! all of them years serving Kias to tatted Motability types has f0000ked your brain !

Another few months will make diddly squat difference to the value of a 12 year old Patrol. Indeed, if we get some snow, it will be worth quite a bit more several months down the road.


As removing the box on one of these is a languagefest and all of the bits are pricey, I would be putting it on ebay as it is. Tell them that it has a clutch / gearbox issue and unless they are Paul Daniels, they won't be driving it away.
It will make more than you will net if you fix it /MOT it etc and then sell.
I am pretty certain these are good news for export , even though the 3.0 has a rather dire reputation.

Back down bitch your wrong, it is true that they have a price spike in winter but that's only if A we have a bad winter and B the thing works.

With the reg plate it's not so much about the car being seen as older but more so that the used car market becomes stagnant as the market is suddenly flooded with second hand cars due to people and company's getting rid of there old cars/fleet and buying the new.

It's all cause and effect old boy, your obviously losing touch with the motortrade in your twilight years, go and suck on a worthers original

pac1982 wrote:

pacerpete wrote:FFS pac ! all of them years serving Kias to tatted Motability types has f0000ked your brain !

Another few months will make diddly squat difference to the value of a 12 year old Patrol. Indeed, if we get some snow, it will be worth quite a bit more several months down the road.


As removing the box on one of these is a languagefest and all of the bits are pricey, I would be putting it on ebay as it is. Tell them that it has a clutch / gearbox issue and unless they are Paul Daniels, they won't be driving it away.
It will make more than you will net if you fix it /MOT it etc and then sell.
I am pretty certain these are good news for export , even though the 3.0 has a rather dire reputation.

Back down bitch your wrong, it is true that they have a price spike in winter but that's only if A we have a bad winter and B the thing works.

With the reg plate it's not so much about the car being seen as older but more so that the used car market becomes stagnant as the market is suddenly flooded with second hand cars due to people and company's getting rid of there old cars/fleet and buying the new.

It's all cause and effect old boy, your obviously losing touch with the motortrade in your twilight years, go and suck on a worthers original

Pac, you really have not got a clue have you. Forget all that sh1t that they drummed into you at the Kia dealers, the real world is quite a bit different. Not all cars are created or perceived as equal. a diesel Patrol is a relatively rare sought after turd . At twelve years old, depreciation is not really an issue, spec / mileage and condition are what dictates its value.
Unlike old E39s, which are all worthless bridge dodgers, only a couple of warning lights away from an appointment with a nice Chinese man

PS Have a look here at the 52 listings in the whole of ebay to help you understand why another month or two will not make the OPs car as worthless as a 523 that needs a few fuses and a regas

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Cars-Motorcyc ... nkw=patrol

pacerpete wrote:

pac1982 wrote:

pacerpete wrote:FFS pac ! all of them years serving Kias to tatted Motability types has f0000ked your brain !

Another few months will make diddly squat difference to the value of a 12 year old Patrol. Indeed, if we get some snow, it will be worth quite a bit more several months down the road.


As removing the box on one of these is a languagefest and all of the bits are pricey, I would be putting it on ebay as it is. Tell them that it has a clutch / gearbox issue and unless they are Paul Daniels, they won't be driving it away.
It will make more than you will net if you fix it /MOT it etc and then sell.
I am pretty certain these are good news for export , even though the 3.0 has a rather dire reputation.

Back down bitch your wrong, it is true that they have a price spike in winter but that's only if A we have a bad winter and B the thing works.

With the reg plate it's not so much about the car being seen as older but more so that the used car market becomes stagnant as the market is suddenly flooded with second hand cars due to people and company's getting rid of there old cars/fleet and buying the new.

It's all cause and effect old boy, your obviously losing touch with the motortrade in your twilight years, go and suck on a worthers original

Pac, you really have not got a clue have you. Forget all that sh1t that they drummed into you at the Kia dealers, the real world is quite a bit different. Not all cars are created or perceived as equal. a diesel Patrol is a relatively rare sought after turd . At twelve years old, depreciation is not really an issue, spec / mileage and condition are what dictates its value.
Unlike old E39s, which are all worthless bridge dodgers, only a couple of warning lights away from an appointment with a nice Chinese man

PS Have a look here at the 52 listings in the whole of ebay to help you understand why another month or two will not make the OPs car as worthless as a 523 that needs a few fuses and a regas

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Cars-Motorcyc ... nkw=patrol

I can smell the shizen coming out of your mouth, I'll throw the gauntlet down here, lets value the car using one of the many valuation services such as Auto Trader, webuyanycar, wewantanycar etc now, and then again a month after the new reg comes out, I'll eat my hat if it hasn't lost value.

Watching

[quote="pac1982"][quote="pacerpete"][quote="pac1982"][quote="pacerpete"]FFS pac ! all of them years serving Kias to tatted Motability types has f0000ked your brain !

Another few months will make diddly squat difference to the value of a 12 year old Patrol. Indeed, if we get some snow, it will be worth quite a bit more several months down the road.


As removing the box on one of these is a languagefest and all of the bits are pricey, I would be putting it on ebay as it is. Tell them that it has a clutch / gearbox issue and unless they are Paul Daniels, they won't be driving it away.
It will make more than you will net if you fix it /MOT it etc and then sell.
I am pretty certain these are good news for export , even though the 3.0 has a rather dire reputation.[/quote]

Back down bitch your wrong, it is true that they have a price spike in winter but that's only if A we have a bad winter and B the thing works.

With the reg plate it's not so much about the car being seen as older but more so that the used car market becomes stagnant as the market is suddenly flooded with second hand cars due to people and company's getting rid of there old cars/fleet and buying the new.

It's all cause and effect old boy, your obviously losing touch with the motortrade in your twilight years, go and suck on a worthers original[/quote]


Pac, you really have not got a clue have you. Forget all that sh1t that they drummed into you at the Kia dealers, the real world is quite a bit different. Not all cars are created or perceived as equal. a diesel Patrol is a relatively rare sought after turd . At twelve years old, depreciation is not really an issue, spec / mileage and condition are what dictates its value.
Unlike old E39s, which are all worthless bridge dodgers, only a couple of warning lights away from an appointment with a nice Chinese man

PS Have a look here at the 52 listings in the whole of ebay to help you understand why another month or two will not make the OPs car as worthless as a 523 that needs a few fuses and a regas

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Cars-Motorcyc ... nkw=patrol[/quote]

I can smell the shizen coming out of your mouth, I'll throw the gauntlet down here, lets value the car using one of the many valuation services such as Auto Trader, webuyanycar, wewantanycar etc now, and then again a month after the new reg comes out, I'll eat my hat if it hasn't lost value.[/quote]

Those valuation sites mean jack shit. A new reg plate will make little difference to the value of a 2001 Nissan Patrol. This Patrol is still worth more then your E39 even though it does not drive.

The usual hateful bitter people raising there ugly grumpy old man heads as usual

So factual evidence of a car losing money is not proof enough, I will leave this thread now but put a reminder on my phone to come back and prove you wrong at the end of September.

Oh and for reference purposes here are the current cap values......



As of todays date 17/07/2014, if I'm wrong I will upload a video of me actually eating a hat, possibly a tweed one

I use Parkers myself



PS WBAC have got £189 for a 111k 523 that needs a regas. Be quick though, the offer expires in seven days and what with a plate change looming !

pacerpete wrote:I use Parkers myself



PS WBAC have got £189 for a 111k 523 that needs a regas. Be quick though, the offer expires in seven days and what with a plate change looming !

Parkers is for amateurs I have a gold account with HPI as should every motor trade professional ;)

pac1982 wrote:

pacerpete wrote:I use Parkers myself



PS WBAC have got £189 for a 111k 523 that needs a regas. Be quick though, the offer expires in seven days and what with a plate change looming !

Parkers is for amateurs I have a gold account with HPI as should every motor trade professional ;)

That is why you asked here for a valuation on a B5 ........

Some things cannot be learned from a book, the motor trade is one of them.

pacerpete wrote:

pac1982 wrote:

pacerpete wrote:I use Parkers myself



PS WBAC have got £189 for a 111k 523 that needs a regas. Be quick though, the offer expires in seven days and what with a plate change looming !

Parkers is for amateurs I have a gold account with HPI as should every motor trade professional ;)

That is why you asked here for a valuation on a B5 ........

Some things cannot be learned from a book, the motor trade is one of them.

I like asking questions, to keep learning; people with big egos might not want to look unsure.

Besides that was a specialist car with high miles better to get an expert opinion, HPI is only really any good for run of the mill stuff

pac1982 wrote:

pacerpete wrote:

pac1982 wrote: Parkers is for amateurs I have a gold account with HPI as should every motor trade professional ;)

That is why you asked here for a valuation on a B5 ........

Some things cannot be learned from a book, the motor trade is one of them.

I like asking questions, to keep learning; people with big egos might not want to look unsure.

Besides that was a specialist car with high miles better to get an expert opinion, HPI is only really any good for run of the mill stuff

So you are basically saying that HPI is no good for valuing specialist odd turds, like a 51 plate Patrol ?
I agree wholeheartedly, that is why their valuation in several months time will be completely irrelevant and b0ll0x , plate change or not

WBAC are on the money though

pacerpete wrote:

pac1982 wrote:

pacerpete wrote:
That is why you asked here for a valuation on a B5 ........

Some things cannot be learned from a book, the motor trade is one of them.

I like asking questions, to keep learning; people with big egos might not want to look unsure.

Besides that was a specialist car with high miles better to get an expert opinion, HPI is only really any good for run of the mill stuff

So you are basically saying that HPI is no good for valuing specialist odd turds, like a 51 plate Patrol ?
I agree wholeheartedly, that is why their valuation in several months time will be completely irrelevant and b0ll0x , plate change or not

WBAC are on the money though

a patrol a specialist car? not in my book, cap data is industry standard and if you like it or not has a direct impact on car prices.

I cant help but feel your making excuses and back tracking as you know I'm going to be right in a few months time

pac1982 wrote:

pacerpete wrote:

pac1982 wrote: I like asking questions, to keep learning; people with big egos might not want to look unsure.

Besides that was a specialist car with high miles better to get an expert opinion, HPI is only really any good for run of the mill stuff

So you are basically saying that HPI is no good for valuing specialist odd turds, like a 51 plate Patrol ?
I agree wholeheartedly, that is why their valuation in several months time will be completely irrelevant and b0ll0x , plate change or not

WBAC are on the money though

a patrol a specialist car? not in my book, cap data is industry standard and if you like it or not has a direct impact on car prices.

I cant help but feel your making excuses and back tracking as you know I'm going to be right in a few months time

No need to back track here, I am right. I have been dabbling in oddball specialist cars for twenty five years, you have served a few Kias to suckers , well you did until you got the door, IIRC.

RE the Patrol, 52 examples in the whole of ebay UK is pretty specialist where I come from !

You yourself have clearly stated that the main stream guides are of little use when valuing oddball turds so of what relevance are their theoretical valuations now or in three months time ?


PS The big question is, where will the £189 E39 be after the plate change ? Will WBAC want it at all ? watch this space !

pacerpete wrote:I have been dabbling in oddball specialist cars for twenty five years, you have served a few Kias to suckers , well you did until you got the door, IIRC.

If you want to start willy waving I've been involved in the motor trade in one way or another since a small boy and I'm 32 now, some of my earliest memory's are spending time at my uncles garage "Brooklands Classic Cars" I remember being about 8 or 9 and "helping" (obviously not much at 9) to restore a Jag E Type.

anyway I don't need to explain myself to people lets see what happens in September

and for the record I didn't get sacked from Sandicliffe, far from it I was head hunted in to management

Jesus that was sad to read. Pac, a fair test would be to say find out how much each patrol sells for and take a mean average. Then repeat once the fabled plate change comes in and see what happens. Your little book isn't much reference to the real world here.

Semi off topic, but is that you in your avatar? If so, you have one of the most punchable faces I have ever seen!

ross_jsy wrote:Jesus that was sad to read. Pac, a fair test would be to say find out how much each patrol sells for and take a mean average. Then repeat once the fabled plate change comes in and see what happens. Your little book isn't much reference to the real world here.

Semi off topic, but is that you in your avatar? If so, you have one of the most punchable faces I have ever seen!

Yes that is me in the avatar, pulling a face obviously your welcome to come and try to punch it, you wont get very far

Your a skinny ginger kid if I remember correctly?

pac1982 wrote:

ross_jsy wrote:Jesus that was sad to read. Pac, a fair test would be to say find out how much each patrol sells for and take a mean average. Then repeat once the fabled plate change comes in and see what happens. Your little book isn't much reference to the real world here.

Semi off topic, but is that you in your avatar? If so, you have one of the most punchable faces I have ever seen!

Yes that is me in the avatar, pulling a face obviously your welcome to come and try to punch it, you wont get very far

Your a skinny ginger kid if I remember correctly?

GGGRRRRR ! angry pac ! Thats what happens when you drive around in a £189 black on black turd in 30 degree heat , that needs a regas

Why do car forums attract such utter w an kers? I long to meet them at work and am seldomly gifted such individuals to bully, but on here take your pic!!

Pac i am your age and i'd be utterly ashamed at the shambles of your reasoned argument, was school not free in your part of the world?