E30 Zone

So, after reading a few transplant threads (thanks to Glenn, Jonsku, and Tino at 300mm.de amongst others) I decided to find myself a reasonably tidy E30, and an S62 engine. That was the easy bits done then The car has a fair bit of history with it, the engine less so, though it appears that it's been apart at some point, which I'll look into more in the near future.
Anywho, I thought I'd start a thread on my own swap.
Any advice/constructive critisism is welcome!
Here's where I'm at so far:

The car:




Diff replaced with LSD, disc conversion with refurbed arms (though now I'll be bracing the arms and going 5 stud
)




Big lump of S62 V8 (which will get a decent clean and wot not shortly )

You naughty boy!

Keep the pics & updates coming

I got myself a Z3 rack, some 300mm.de copy mounts, cut down the original N/S mount for the remote filter feed pipes, bent an oil feed pipe to fit, and carried out a test fit. Even with (65mm tall) E39 mounts (on 300mm.de engine "arms"), the sump fouled top N/S rack mount. Out with the motor again. I've modded the top rack mounts for extra clearance and had a measure up for some mounts which will put the engine where I want it.
While I was there, I bent the power steering pipes to fit the rack (which took way longer than I first thought to get right! ) I used the original M5 high pressure pipe (from the pump) which was too long and bent the wrong way at the rack end.
Braided hoses would have been just the ticket, and saved time, but they're not cheap!

Oil feed (and bent feed pipe)


Steering pipes (about 100 trips to the vise later :
)

Cheers Beemerlad

With (obviously) limited space in the engine bay, after looking at various ways others have sorted their brakes, I decided that behind the glove box would be just the ticket. I didn't want any flex in the bracket.

Just about finished. Modded linkage and a fair bit of bracing. The servo originally mounted through the flat face which the bracket is sitting on:






With (Clio) servo fitted, and 25mm master cylinder from VW Sharan. With the Clio servo adjuster nut wound right in, it needs somewhere near a 1mm shim fitted.

Painted and ready to fit


The final test fit. I'll take it back out again as I'd a) prefer the heater matrix pipes to exit the bulkhead somewhere else, and b) I need to sort a location and bracket for the ECU somewhere behind the master cylinder.

I cut down the back of the glove box and fabricated a hinge mount which doubles as an extra brace for the master cylinder/servo mount.


The glove box needs a back on it yet (otherwise my fags will keep falling on the floor ) but it shuts at least!

That's about it for now. I've got most of the parts to finish the brakes off coming in the next few days, and will e'mail one of the traders on here for some custom engine mounts later.

Cheers! Dave.

Nice work mate!! I'd be very interested to see more close ups of the servo and bracket in situ!

Cheers Turk!
I must admit, as I was test fitting it, I was thinking how much better pics would be if I painted it silver!
With the bracing, it's not straightforward to fit, but once it's finally in, it'll stay there I'd perhaps do a couple of things a little differently if I did another one. I'll try and get some better pics tomorrow for you.

Im doing the same swap so defo interested. I have been considering a pedal box but not sure if it would look strange if i trim the carpet around in and finish it off nicely.

what would u do different out of interest?

top work there dave.
its nice to see another s62 swap going on.
i had to shave the top rack mounts, and 'tweak' the oil to sump pipe aswell.
give us a shout if theres anything i can help with.

Awesome stuff Where abouts in the world are you?

But Turk, you've got an M3! "Well jel" as the kids say!!

I found myself thinking how I would simplify/improve the basic design, but moved onto something else... As you'll know, there's a lot more work there than it looks, and I was happy to stop thinking about it as soon as I rattled the paint tin!
Off the top of my head though, the first thing would be to have 2 sharp bends in the brace which mounts by the rear-most upper mounting bolts instead of 1 continuous bend with a sharp bend at the top (by the securing bolts) Those bolts would be an easier fit with a socket and ratchet... The top forward-most servo mount bolt is a bit of a biatch, though I think with the absolutely correct length extension/socket combo (not the U/J socket I used today), it'll be fine. (I'll try that tomorrow)
Locating the clevis pin from the control arm is a bit of a finger tip affair too, but it's that or less bracing I think.
Does that all make sense?!

Cheers Glenn When I get round to figuring out why all my engine loom colour codes are different to the 300mm.de codes, and any other wiring diagrams I've seen , I'll give you or Turk a shout regarding getting my ECU sorted if that's cool
I don't suppose you've come across the same? (early '99 engine)
(I just noticed that I missed an "n" off your name Glenn. How rude! I'll sort that now)

I'm in Surrey, a couple of miles away from Epsom Mr Cook.

Oh, and of course thanks Mr Cook!!

iirc,
i had some colour differences in my wiring, compared with what was shown on the 300de site, but when i got my ecu sorted i was sent some more accurate wiring charts.
getting the ecu sorted, is no problem, when your ready.

Keep the details coming, we need more details on S62 swaps.

Never trust cable colours pin numbers only!!!

I'm sure i read somewhere that If its a 99' engine there are a few things to check. Its to do with the piston rings or something and using too much oil. Ill have a google later and pm you a link.

Surrey aint far from me, I might have to come a nosey sometime, and as long as u have a kettle I can supply the digestives

I have been close to pulling the trigger on 2 different s62s until a check revealed some nasties, very jealous!
I have promised myself I will get the car finished and running before embarking on a swap so will be watching this thread with a great deal of interest!

Please do keep posting as many pictures as possible as it is sooo useful for us down the line

Cheers Glenn, that's very good news!
On my engine loom, there's not a single wire which goes into X60004 (the empty ECU plug) which is colour coded the same as on 300.de
I've not had a proper go at getting my head round the wiring yet, but at a (slow) glance, there's some engine loom wiring to be deleted anyway, so it's not like it's an extra job removing the loom sheathing to check what does what I guess... Having said that, wiring's not my strong point by any means. I much prefer easy and simple!

Thanks for the interest beardymat I agree! There's a ton of info around, but there are a few things already which I wasn't aware of.

If only I had pin numbers to work with Turk!
Luckily, the kindly chaps who removed the engine cut the main loom plug from the loom!
Yep, you're right about the early S62 engines. The coating basically falls off the cylinders if (iirc) they're not serviced regularly, have poor quality oil or poor quality fuel used. The guy I bought the engine off has owned a couple of M5's though, and has assured me that it's not an oil burner. On top of that, he's told me I can return the engine if I'm not happy, also, it definitely appears that the heads and sump have been off. My local BMW main dealer are supposed to be ringing me back with some info on this.... mind you, it's been 3 weeks now. Lucky I didn't wait in!
You're welcome to have a nosey, as long as they're choccy digestives!

How far away are you with yours? Have you used e30.de mounts?

Cheers Winx

I found an S65 motor with around 30k on the clock a week or so ago... One for the future perhaps! There's a guy who's doing an S65 E30 M3 at the moment. Nice!
I can't promise to stay super on top of my progress on here, but I'll do my best to post up anything I've done which I've not seen on t'net before
Nice dash and snap off boss BTW! How deep is the snap off boss? I'd like a snap off, but a slimline boss and snap off part are ££££ from the quick searches I've done, and seeing as mine will be a road car, I'm not overly keen on a long reach from wheel to stalks...

If they've cut your plug off you need to get a multimeter and wiring diagram with ecu pinouts and continuity check the lot then solder back to the correct pin on the ecu. not fun! you will need to make plug 4 yourself. its the connection between the car and engine, ie clocks, fuel etc, sport button and flybywire pedal etc.

If its on a weekend i can come and do the wiring for u! there a some plugs u will need to either buy from bmw or cut off an e46 or e39. ill send some pix soon.

s62 has more displacement then s65, so more torque, and eaier and cheaper to fix!

In the meantime get yourself to a scrappy and cut of as many plug with as much cable as u can get from any e46,e90 or e39, and an OBD plug if u can find one!

Cool, my mate just pointed me in this direction, i'll be keeping an eye on this .

I'm about to start mine soon as well, just finishing off my 4.0V8 Touring and then onto the M5 engine into my Chromie.

You all dont seem far from me either, im in the middle in Basingstoke.

As for the rings in March 2000 they released the updated engine, this had different piston Rings and a small pump to prime the vanos.
All face lift cars have the engines, but a lot of pre facelift cars have part of the update. Like mine is an April 2000 car so has the engine, headliner and dials, but not the steering wheel and lights.

Im also trying to get some manifolds made, proper ones if anyone is interested.

Very possibly, let us know how much, will they fit both rid and lhd?

That's a mega offer Turk! Cheers mate, very much appreciated! When the time comes, I'll more than likely give you a shout!
Luckily, they "just" cut off 1 plug, so it's "only" the wiring which goes to plug X6004, and X6011 (which are the 2 plugs I need IIRC) which have to be sorted. Pin numbers would have made it easier mind!
I took a few more pics of the servo bracket in situ earlier. I'll load them up in a tick.

That's some good info Sloww! Cheers. I thought that the nicasil plating on the cylinder bores was the problem.... Maybe they re-designed the rings with different material/different clearances etc or something then... Interesting! I know BMW were saying that oil consumption of a litre every 1000 miles was acceptable!

I went to see a guy in Coulsdon the other week about manifolds. I'm *thinking* of making my own, but he offered me a good deal for a set of equal length stainless ones. I know his brother, so I'd have to check whether it was in any way mates rates. I'll look into it further if there's some interest?

If u can put up a pic of all 4 plugs you have I can tell u what u need. Plug 4 won't be there anyways as will will likely still be in the e39 donor shell. Plug 4 links to the e30 c101 plug, and feeds the throttle etc. This will need to be made from scratch.

x6011 is only a 4 pin plug if i remember ??? This links to the starter circuit and switch live If i remember rightly.

How much did he quote for the manifolds?

or Is this the one?

Yep, that's the kiddy
My colour codes are different to that though. I got in touch with Tino at 300mm.de, who gave me some good info on pin outs for that plug. I'll list my colour codes when I have a little more time.

davethegoat wrote:Yep, that's the kiddy
My colour codes are different to that though. I got in touch with Tino at 300mm.de, who gave me some good info on pin outs for that plug. I'll list my colour codes when I have a little more time.

Where do this lot connect to then? Ive been wondering this as they're slightly different to s54's

Here are some more pics Turk.


The top "rear" bolts. They didn't seem such a pain to get to today!


With servo & master cylinder fitted. Plenty of room for an ECU in there :


Clevis pin (in there somewhere!)


This was taken from seat level:


And from eye level. There's plenty of clearance for all but the biggest tootsies



Let me know if there's anything else that would help.

turk wrote:

davethegoat wrote:Yep, that's the kiddy
My colour codes are different to that though. I got in touch with Tino at 300mm.de, who gave me some good info on pin outs for that plug. I'll list my colour codes when I have a little more time.

Where do this lot connect to then? Ive been wondering this as they're slightly different to s54's

Mine's different to this, but:
http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/transla ... f01810.htm

Thats gonna be tricky in a lhd. think i may have to do what Glenn did or find a decent pedal box setup.

I've not seen a LHD pedal box.. Is the servo actuated directly off the pedal then?

davethegoat wrote:I've not seen a LHD pedal box.. Is the servo actuated directly off the pedal then?

yep

On standard cars yes, but on mine it will be tricky!

this is what i think i need

I looked at those. Won't the master cylinders have to poke through the bulkhead, unless the pedal box is set back?
I also looked at the 'boxes with the masters rear of the pedal pivots... I was thinking of using remote servos, but they're a touch pricey, especially when there's twoo needed.