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Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:03 am
by Alburglar
I've had the car off the road for various different reasons and thought it was a good time to do an electric fan conversion and was surprised at how cheap it was!
universal 12" electric fan on ebay was £25 delivered.

fan switch was £15
http://www.cbsonline.co.uk/product/Fan_ ... 1.5_FANSW2
I am using it as an auxillary fan at the moment so i bought a swith that doesn't turn on till 100c and turns off at 95c. M14 x 1.5mm thread.

4 pin fused relay was a couple of quid I think.

Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:53 pm
by Minimayhem81
Hello how did you screw the switch in to the radiator because on mine its just a plastic blank i would have to drill it out and then i would only be screwing in to plastic....not good lol
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:06 am
by Alburglar
Mine had a blank in that looked like a bolt, I just used a spanner.
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:26 pm
by Brianmoooore
Strange mod. to do. There's no shortage of room for an engine driven viscous fan on a four pot, so what's the purpose of the change?
Non genuine replacement rads. usually have a blanking plug, as do all aircon rads., of course. The original rad., or, I think, a genuine replacement, will just have a raised ring in the plastic where the switch boss would be.
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:54 pm
by Minimayhem81
The change is mainly to save on engine power it takes more power to spin that fan, normally about 8bhp? and why do you need the fan going if your doing 70mph down the motorway? might as well save the fuel and not bother

you only need the fan going when your in traffic.
Yes having an electric fan will take power because its making the alternator work harder but your always running the alternator anyway so might as well use it.

Anyway i better go have a closer look at my rad see if i was blind and its just a blanking bolt

cheers!
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:01 pm
by rix313
Minimayhem81 wrote:normally about 8bhp?
You wont be seeing 8bhp from removing the viscous fan.
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:05 pm
by craigieeb
Mebbies 0.1 bhp
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:13 pm
by Minimayhem81
ok well it might not be as much as 8bhp but still the engine will rev more freely and have less losses...
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:29 pm
by ed325i
What would be a good temp for the fan to turn on?
Ed
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:39 pm
by fuzzy
always disconnect the battery when working on an electric fan....theres pics on here somewhere of the mess they made of my hand when it turned itself on

Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:42 pm
by Minimayhem81
err like 90-95 degrees?
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:46 pm
by Brianmoooore
Minimayhem81 wrote: but your always running the alternator anyway so might as well use it.
Your knowledge of physics is slightly lacking!
As said above, a fan driven by a viscous coupling absorbs very little power when it isn't locked, and I'm afraid an alternator doesn't behave like you think.
If we assume that an electric fan motor has a power of around 0.3 hp, then it will consume about 0.4 hp of electricity to drive it. To produce this amount of extra electricity from the alternator, it will absorb just over half a hp from the engine. Alternators under load don't spin like they do in your hand. A fully loaded alternator will take a couple of hp to drive it!
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:15 pm
by Minimayhem81
i never said its as free when under load as if it were in your hand lol anyway yes it takes more hp to run the alternator because of the extra power required but unlike the fixed fan its not on all time its only on when you stop for a traffic light or a roundabout... whatever it is its not on for very long. Please tell me why out of all modern cars today, all have electric fans?

Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:19 am
by Brianmoooore
Most modern cars have electric fans because the radiator is alongside the engine instead of in front of it.
E30s don't have a fixed fan. They have a fan with a viscous coupling between the pump pulley and the fan, and the viscous coupling responds to the increase in coolant temperature when there is little airflow through the rad. in exactly the same way as an electrical thermoswitch fitted to the rad. does.
I.E. It switches the fan on, but with greater reliability and greater efficiency. As soon as the coolant temperature in the rad. is a few degrees below the normal engine running temperature, they both switch the fan off.
Re: Cheap electric fan conversion using new parts.
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:10 am
by Minimayhem81
fair enough i didnt know that... though it was only a viscus fan ie just filled with oil, not one that responds to the fluid temps

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:25 pm
by chu346
Why didn't you wire through the fuse box?