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M20b20 - overbore 84mm ?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:09 pm
by MattyX
Hello ,

It is possible at m20b20 block bore cca 83.7mm ? (original cca 80mm ) I can b25 pistons + 130mm connecting rods and m52 crankshaft in new modified block for b25 bore :)
thx , sorry for worse translation :o:

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:29 am
by daimlerman
Yes,you can bore out a 2 litre block from 80mm to 84mm,are you in a country that insists on 'standard' engines? :D

If you are planning on using 325 type pistons,you really need the 325i head as well,as the combustion chambers are a different shape to the 320i head....you could use the 320i head if you can find some 325e pistons,though....

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:12 am
by MattyX
I can at B20 block (overbored at cca 84mm) use 325i head. in b20 block will stroked at 2.8...

have overbored b20 block sufficient thickness of the combustion chamber ?

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:30 am
by daimlerman
Combustion chamber is in the head on these engines,if you are building a 2.8,you are starting with the very best idea,boring out a 2 litre block will give you a perfect bore with no wear ridges at the top and bottom to upset the piston rings when using a longer stroke crank.

Both the 2 litre block and the 2.5 litre block are identical,except for bore size.

Have a read through 'Hairyscreech's' M20 development thread in this section,there's some interesting stuff on improving these engines there.

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:18 pm
by MattyX
And how cylinder wall thickness (mm or inch) is after overbored ?

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:38 am
by MattyX
I paced it at the water pump and there will be only 3 mm wall thickness after overbored... :(

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:15 pm
by eta
Well a M20B25 has the wall thickness and that works very well indeed.

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:10 pm
by HairyScreech
3mm should be ok in iron or steel.

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:59 am
by hongkongfuey
ive seen one that was bored poss not perfectly central, that developed a hole in the cylinder wall i would say if your going through all that use a 2.5 engine, do it once

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:40 pm
by kimbo
daimlerman wrote:Both the 2 litre block and the 2.5 litre block are identical,except for bore size.
Not strictly true. The core used in casting the B20 is different to that used in the B25, so the casting thickness for the cylinder is thicker in the B25.
Having said that, I've overbored a B20 block to 84mm with no probs - wouldn't be comfortable going any further though!
Kim

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:39 pm
by Ant
^^ B20 will just go to 84.5mm, I did a few random bores in an old block and then bandsawed each 2 ways afterwards.

86.5 on B25 casting iirc is the maximum ??

Re: M20b20 - bore 84mm ?

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:24 am
by HairyScreech
most press in wet liners (as in not pressed into an alu bore but self supporting) are in the 3-5mm range, i wouldn't be comfortable going below 3mm but theres nothing to say thats a true minimum, just outside why i would expect to be safe.

casting surface on the water jacket will have the largest effect on cracking in use, as the smooth honed surface of the bore will be unlikely to be the crack initiation point.

84mm on the b20 block has been done many times and provided you have a block with no core shift the it should be fine.

what thickness were you looking at after boring on those blocks ant? ~3mm?